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What stereotypes are you referring to?
Their beliefs are all well documented. Their missions are ubiquitous and witnessed by many. What exactly are you referring to as a stereotype?
In their defense, however, their religion is no weirder than most other religions.
Permit me to revise my explanation of the stereotype (which incidentally stems from FR).

A naive missionary who steps into an "exotic" culture and misunderstands almost everything around (i.e. in the musical -walks obliviously into an insurgent camp), and thinks exposure to LDS will cure all social ills, especially those that arent really even ills. I.E. its not just the mormon belief system - its the naivety regarding the native culture)
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Human Nature. Stories coming from ancient manuscripts create an illusion of authenticism and truth due to their longevity. It's the old Argument From Age (Wisdom of the Ancients) logical fallacy.
But really, stories of ancient religions (2000+ years old) are no sillier than Mormonism or any other modern religion. Take mainstream Xtianity, for instance. A child (through no fault of their own) is born with original sin. So God sent himself (Jesus) in human form to be sacrificed to himself in order to save mankind. So now, Xtians eat his body and drink his blood (real, not metaphor, according to Catholics), and all is good.
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...All religion is silly from the outside. Inside is a different game altogether.
Having been on the inside myself, I can attest that it is just as batshxt crazy there as it is on the outside.

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But really, stories of ancient religions (2000+ years old) are no sillier than Mormonism or any other modern religion.
Hey Brainless Idiot,

Which are these silly stories of ancient/modem religions are you referring to?

Give me 2 or 3 examples (excluding creation from nothing which is really an irrational teaching of certain faiths) and I'll show you some deeper meaning beneath the myths, metaphors and allegories.

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A child (through no fault of their own) is born with original sin.
No child is born "tabula rasa".

Had you thought a little deeper you wouldn't have made that stupid comment.

A child is born with his ancestral psychology, emotionality and physicality contributed by both father and mother and so in this sense it may be said that the psychological, emotional and physical flaws are inherent in the new born ("sins of the parents are on their children").

Besides, if reincarnation is valid, in keeping with causation and in view of the dozens of verified cases of past birth memories, then, the child's consciousness holds his previous birth tendencies which cannot be explained by heredity in many instances.

So, in either instance or in both ways, no child is born with a clean slate (tabula rasa).

Understand, now?

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TABULA RASA - IRRATIONAL

If a kid is born tabula rasa, which, any way, is not the case since even new borns display certain marked propensities on account of heredity/past life tendencies, then, such a child born with a clean slate, should be perfect from day one in all ways since psychological, emotional and physical flaws being absent in him should not mar his personality. No one is born perfect. Each person is born with a mix of good and adverse traits or tendencies. A kid born without adverse/beneficial traits would be a blank slate and his case would be similar to the absurdity of creation ex nihilo and as such this infant devoid of personality would either die or develop haphazardly. LOL.
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Their beliefs are no sillier than any other religion.
What they are doing, regarding Eden, is geographically internalizing the myth. I am sure they are not the first group to read the bible, and say "aha".
I remember listening to Jerry Garcia once at a Dead show, convinced that he was sending is lyrics straight to me.(certain substances helped me along with this idea). Same process. Making meaning.
I have run into a number of people here in CT who when seeing glacial erratics (big rocks in the forest) are convinced they were left by vikings. Is that any sillier?
All religion is silly from the outside. Inside is a different game altogether.
The trick is not to get sucked in in the first place!:))

And certainly there many avenues one can take towards embracing the myth.

(For me it was a Yes concert at the New Haven Coliseum in the mid 70s! I was convinced they were playing for a stoned audience - which might have been true - and specifically for me!)

I don't know that all religions are created equal. I don't think so. But that could be for another day or two or three.(Christianity certainly takes another giant leap of faith beyond the OT. While Buddhists are fairly loose. from what I hear/you tell me.)

But it's true what CoR said that antiquity somehow bestows a certain weight or respect in some of us.(How about the pejorative term "nouveau riche?" Johnny come lately etc )

Of course this is more about appearances than substance. So one still has to do the research.
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Human Nature. Stories coming from ancient manuscripts create an illusion of authenticism and truth due to their longevity. It's the old Argument From Age (Wisdom of the Ancients) logical fallacy.
But really, stories of ancient religions (2000+ years old) are no sillier than Mormonism or any other modern religion. Take mainstream Xtianity, for instance. A child (through no fault of their own) is born with original sin. So God sent himself (Jesus) in human form to be sacrificed to himself in order to save mankind. So now, Xtians eat his body and drink his blood (real, not metaphor, according to Catholics), and all is good.
Very true.

Not too long after I was confirmed, I realized I probably should have declined. Though that wouldn't have gone over well at that young age.(Plus I would have missed out on a nice little party a few gifts....though I doubt I made out near as well as Frijoles did!)
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Do you love your parents?
Are you really ATF or is this Dr. Phil?

Test question: Where should one go for the best cheesy garlic bread in Stamford?

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IMMORAL FEMALES WHO'RE DEVOID OF MATERNAL INSTINCTS

Women who lead an immoral life by having sex with dozens of men since teen years and who may have undergone many abortions over the years get so desensitized in mind, emotions and body that in later years many of these whorish females desire to remain childless as the natural maternal instinct in them is deadened.

Besides, if such sluttish females procreate, their kids will carry the same whorish instincts in their psychologies.

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Very true.
Not too long after I was confirmed, I realized I probably should have declined. Though that wouldn't have gone over well at that young age.(Plus I would have missed out on a nice little party a few gifts....though I doubt I made out near as well as Frijoles did!)
Nah, I was bar mitzvahed in an age before things got flashy, in a town that was modestly middle class.

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COR: "So God sent himself (Jesus) in human form to be sacrificed to himself in order to save mankind."

JOEL: Is that the meaning if the story, Filthy Idiot?

Habits, tendencies, beliefs and ideas can be transmitted from person to person.

Depending on the receptivity of the person to that extent these above-mentioned transmissions affect his mind, emotions or physical health.

Epigenetics is about environmental; impulses modifying the gene output or even the gene itself if the influence is sufficiently powerful and sufficiently sustained. The nerve endings pick up environmental impulses as vibrations which then pass through the nerves and enter the brain and so on.

The Christians have not understand the subtle mechanism of energy transfers and so think that Jesus came to save the world.

Jesus did not save the world but died by absorbing adverse vibes from many people around him and by absorbing much of their negative load of impulses their load of negativity lessened as a result and in this manner it may be said that these persons (whose load of negativity as reduced by transfer of impulses to Jesus's force field) were, to an extent, "saved".

Sit near a soothing and a receptive person or an object and soon if you're sensitive enough you will feel your burdens, stresses and troubles lessening and an inner peace arising in you.

This happens due to exchange of vibes.

So, everything in nature involves exchange of impulses in the form of energy pulses or waves of consciousness carried by the energy impulses. These constant exchanges of information modify output in everything involved in the processes.

At a deeper level of consciounsess, one can absorb another person's subconscious imprints and assimilate these in one's own mental field. If the build up of adverse influences exceed a certain limit of tolerance limit, then, the person receiving the impulses may suffer mentally, emotionally or physically and may fall ill or even die.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coast-gua...

A body was spotted in the Pacific Ocean on Monday about two miles from the California beach where a man was swept into the sea during a baptism the day before, officials said.

The Santa Barbara County Fire Department received "numerous reports" of a body near Guadalupe Dunes Park as they searched for a male in his 40s who went missing after he was pulled into the water, said David Sadecki, a Fire Department spokesman.....

.......Members of a Santa Maria Church told NBC affiliate KSBY that they were conducting a baptism when the church members got pulled into the surf.

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former res wrote:
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Very true.
Not too long after I was confirmed, I realized I probably should have declined. Though that wouldn't have gone over well at that young age.(Plus I would have missed out on a nice little party a few gifts....though I doubt I made out near as well as Frijoles did!)
Same here re: Confirmation, but I wasn't an atheist yet at the time, so no regrets.

Later in life, however, I was faced with a dliemna of revealing my atheism to a very religious family or accepting an invite to be a godfather (on several occasions). I chose to maintain the peace and accept the offers. It did require some mental gymnastics on my part to justify the internal hypocrisy I was feeling.

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I don't know that all religions are created equal. I don't think so. But that could be for another day or two or three.(Christianity certainly takes another giant leap of faith beyond the OT. While Buddhists are fairly loose. from what I hear/you tell me.)
Regarding other religions - I am of the position of who am I to judge?

Bhuddism, the non folk version, doesnt claim to be a religion. Its a practice. But the fact is there are assumptions about the nature of reality as well, so it does converge at least a little in that direction, despite all claims not to.
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<quoted text>But it's true what CoR said that antiquity somehow bestows a certain weight or respect in some of us.
I am not sure about that - I think that needs to be parsed quite a bit

Jewish texts are not any more true because of their age, they are considered valued according to their intrinsic worth. Torah is the most valuable of course. But the the later works - like the Talmud and the Commentators, are valued according to their logic and their place in the context of the body of law. Other texts like Midrash, which tend to be free wheeling stories, have no canon value, but are appreciated as art. Overall there is respect for tradition, but tradition does change. And the tradition is not for the sake of tradition, one follows tradition for the sake of practical application (think "body of law" - it builds on itself).

I think COR may be referring to an argument that the bible must be true because it is old. That is a Christian argument. A Jew would argue perhaps that the text of the Torah has not changed (and there is plenty of scholarly work that addresses the veracity of that claim) but its "truth" is not based upon age but upon its essence.

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Nah, I was bar mitzvahed in an age before things got flashy, in a town that was modestly middle class.
I heard those things can cost just as much as a wedding these days.

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There's a slight respite from the yogic experience since an hour or so with the higher consciounsess-force retreating from the body to an extent. Need to rest.

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FRIJOLES: "Bhuddism, the non folk version, doesnt claim to be a religion. Its a practice. But the fact is there are assumptions about the nature of reality as well, so it does converge at least a little in that direction, despite all claims not to."

JOEL: ERROR. Rubbish. Couldn't help responding to this ignorant assertion.

Religion means to "yoke".

To yoke what to what?

More in detail, later.

I am not in a position to reply at present.

I can't sit here any longer and need to lie down.

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I heard those things can cost just as much as a wedding these days.
I have been to some like that.

I also know a few parents who offered their children the choice of a party or a family trip to Israel. A trip is more permanently meaningful.

In the old days, all a Bar Mitzvah would entail would be to be called up the Torah during services - a milestone because only "men" could do this. Nowadays there is a lot more baggage associated with it.

I was also "confirmed". To this day I have no idea why. Its not a Jewish tradition. I think it might of been somehow an incentive to stick with Hebrew school post b.mitzvah.

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JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
FRIJOLES: "Bhuddism, the non folk version, doesnt claim to be a religion. Its a practice. But the fact is there are assumptions about the nature of reality as well, so it does converge at least a little in that direction, despite all claims not to."
JOEL: ERROR. Rubbish. Couldn't help responding to this ignorant assertion.
Religion means to "yoke".
To yoke what to what?
More in detail, later.
I am not in a position to reply at present.
I can't sit here any longer and need to lie down.
yoke? What are you talking about?

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