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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#70312 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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My understanding is that one of the "abortifacients" is an IUD, shouldnt be that controversial.
I agree, if Hobby Lobby was actually ethical, they would give their employees a choice to go on the exchange. But they are not. This is about control of employees and a strike against Obamacare. That said, why would you willingly work for a place like that if you didnt buy in to their paradigm? This isnt like a Catholic hospital where health care is technically divorced from the ownership. But then again, the slippery slope...
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A very tightly held family-run company with almost 600 stores. With that many stores, I doubt it is that it really is that family controlled. They can claim it is, but really.....
You're right. I guess the key for them is "after conception."

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The owners of Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties don't have a problem with offering insurance that covers most forms of birth control, but they aren't willing to cover emergency contraceptives — like Plan B or ella -- or IUDs. Hobby Lobby contends its "religious beliefs prohibit them from providing health coverage for contraceptive drugs and devices that end human life after conception." The question these cases are seeking to solve is whether for-profit companies have a right to exercise religious freedom under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a federal law passed in 1993 that states the “Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability." If they do, does the government have a compelling interest to override it in this instance?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...

Along with civil rights, we have freedom of religious practice. So at what point does one get to trump the other?

Guess we'll find out.

BTW I always heard that Catholic hospitals were either not willing to or much less likely to "pull the plug" on someone (regardless of patient or family wishes). I've heard this has changed but would tend to avoid one if I had a choice at the time..

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70313 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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But yet you couldnt post a link to support your statement about Torah

Coward.
What do you find "admirable" about the Torah?

Give me 1 teaching from Torah that's original, profound and spiritual.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70314 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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Actually you're the one we have no respect for.

We like HuggyBear.
Had you respected me, I'd have felt that I'm dragged down to the filthy level of menial workers, brainless idiots and immoral subhuman types like yourself.

Keep your respect and love and admiration for Hugh - both of you stand on the same inferior and degraded level in all respects.

LMAO

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70315 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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If a tree lands in a forest and noone is there to her it, is it real?
If a brainless idiot like you is awarded a PhD in a scientific discipline (by some junk American university with pathetic academic standards) when you're evidently unfit to answer even junior high school questions in Math, Physics and Chem, isn't it a joke?

You have the intelligence level of a salesman, a waiter or a politician.

LOL.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70316 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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What do you find "admirable" about the Torah?
Give me 1 teaching from Torah that's original, profound and spiritual.
Monotheism

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70317 Mar 27, 2014
QUESTIONS:

1) Is euthanasia a moral act? Why?

2) Is capital punishment a moral act? Why?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#70321 Mar 27, 2014
ADAM: Monotheism

JOEL: LOL.

Judaism is monolatristic not monotheistic.

Ok, now, let me test your IQ/reasoning skills:

ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS

1) Monolatry or monotheism ends in dualism - is dualism a rational doctrine? Why or why not?

2) What is reality? Why?

3) How did this universe come into existence? Why?(give a plausible hypothesis/theory)

4) Where is G-d? Of what substance is this G-d of the Torah made up of?

5) How does this G-d causally connect with energy/matter?

6) Are these statements logical?-

A) Effect is nothing else but the cause itself in partial or in complete manifestation.

B) Cause should be at least as great as the effect in terms of information content.

(smiles in advance)

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70322 Mar 27, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Monotheism
What's admirable, profound and spiritually refined about monotheism?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70323 Mar 27, 2014
A powerful force of the higher consciousness is descending into me with a subtle sound and a brilliant golden-white light from the superior planes of consciousness that lie above the head region. Let me see if it leads to trance or if it simply tries to open up either the forehead center or the cardiac center....

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70324 Mar 27, 2014
I'm going to lie down...the pressure of the descending force of the higher consciousness is getting too much to bear and I'm slipping into an indrawn state that may soon lead to waking trance. The heat, sound, light created by the dynamic descent of the force of the higher consciousness from above the head and the resultant opening up of the force centers in the brain and along the spine are too overpowering for now. Bye.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70326 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ADAM: Monotheism
JOEL: LOL.
Judaism is monolatristic not monotheistic.
Ok, now, let me test your IQ/reasoning skills:
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS
1) Monolatry or monotheism ends in dualism - is dualism a rational doctrine? Why or why not?
2) What is reality? Why?
3) How did this universe come into existence? Why?(give a plausible hypothesis/theory)
4) Where is G-d? Of what substance is this G-d of the Torah made up of?
5) How does this G-d causally connect with energy/matter?
6) Are these statements logical?-
A) Effect is nothing else but the cause itself in partial or in complete manifestation.
B) Cause should be at least as great as the effect in terms of information content.
(smiles in advance)
1) Dualism contradicts monotheism
2) Whatever you think it is
3) Big bang. Because the Master of the Universe decided so.
4) G-d of the Torah is incorporeal
5) The Master of the Universe is the prime mover of all.
6) To a believer yes, since no one can either prove it so or not so
A) ok
B) maybe

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70327 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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What's admirable, profound and spiritually refined about monotheism?
It changed man's thinking of the universe and his place in it.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70329 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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What do you find "admirable" about the Torah?
Give me 1 teaching from Torah that's original, profound and spiritual.
deflection

You asserted a connection between pop Tantra and the Torah. I asked you elaborate.

FOS as usual.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70330 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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I still bet I'd rather meet and spend time with Huggy.
At least I could tease and make fun of him in person!
Joel would just want to impress me with his good-looking, long legged, well dressed friends and fancy stores and night clubs.
Way too vain and superficial. And a true intellectual lightweight!
At least Huggy has some sort of religious principles that he seems to believe in - whatever they are - nobody knows.
I agree Huggy would be more amusing in person, though I would be wary that he would try to drug me, kidnap me, and force me to wear tights to his church.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70331 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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A guy named Jeff Wise posted an articled to Slate that annoyed me last week.
He had called an article "Wrong" that theorized a fire onboard the Malaysia plane (I posted that article here a week or so ago and said I thought it made sense) took it down.
I sent him a note and told him his article didn't convince the other article was wrong and would he write a new article admitting he was wrong if it turns out the other guy was right!
He said yes and that his Slate editor had already arranged a follow up piece. That satisfied me.
Check this out. When you have some time. It's truly chilling. From the Air France crash a few years back. State of the art plane with only a minor technical issue early on in the event, The only way out of stall is to point the nose down but the instinct is to do the opposite, Jeff Wise wrote this as well. I didn't realize that until just now.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/av...
wow - ouch!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#70332 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
A guy named Jeff Wise posted an articled to Slate that annoyed me last week.
He had called an article "Wrong" that theorized a fire onboard the Malaysia plane (I posted that article here a week or so ago and said I thought it made sense) took it down.
I sent him a note and told him his article didn't convince the other article was wrong and would he write a new article admitting he was wrong if it turns out the other guy was right!
He said yes and that his Slate editor had already arranged a follow up piece. That satisfied me.
Check this out. When you have some time. It's truly chilling. From the Air France crash a few years back. State of the art plane with only a minor technical issue early on in the event, The only way out of stall is to point the nose down but the instinct is to do the opposite, Jeff Wise wrote this as well. I didn't realize that until just now.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/av...
".....At 2:02 am, the captain leaves the flight deck to take a nap. Within 15 minutes, everyone aboard the plane will be dead.]
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70333 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles---the issue will be whether one can now opt out of civil rights laws because of one's religious beliefs

HughBe--- In essence YOU are saying that the only ones who have rights are the homosexuals. People like me have no right to their RELIGIOUS beliefs and so if I do not believe that you and your male companion should be married YOU and the law championed by the rear specialists shall FORCE US to do things against our CONSCIENCE and our beliefs.

Whatever happened to FREEDOM of RELIGION and more importantly FREEDOM in general?

Frijoles---Up to now, the US courts have been VERY clear that civil rights trumps religious rights in most cases.

HughBe--- I need not google it to know that you are incorrect. To be correct you should have said IN RECENT TIMES.

Frijoles--- Religious expression has its limits.

HughBe--- Tell that to the Founding Fathers.

Frijoles---- You are free to worship on your own as long as you are not trampling on others people's civil rights.

HughBe--- Others should NOT have any right to FORCE you to do anything against your CONSCIENCE or beliefs.

Frijoles---The current case before the Supreme Court may change this.

HughBe--- Let us see.

Frijoles----However, the only reason the issue is before the courts is that it involves the new health care (Obamacare). Superfically, the case is about implementation of the new law. The religious angle is a repercussion of the case, since it involves a religious corporation (if there is such a thing -thats part of the debate).

HughBe--- noted.

Frijoles---I get that your bible thumping precludes you from understanding that gay rights is an equality issue.

HughB--- Why are you anti-Moses and the Tanach, you non "bible thumping" religious person?

Frijoles---No need to get back into that discussion except to note that demographically and legally, you are on the loosing side of that debate. Thanks Gods.

HughBe--- Indeed, you are correct when you say "Thanks GODS". However, the ALMIGHTY shall deal with the matter and this is an UNCONDITIONAL guarantee.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70334 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe---What do POVERTY levels have to do with someone being FORCED to drive a car to a location where a CRIME was subsequently committed and then the kidnapped gets arrested and IMPRISONED for 32 years?

2. It is clear to me that you see a link between poverty and half-life, the other point in my post and which related to a DIFFERENT scenario.

Frijoles---FR already posted the link between poverty, race, and opportunity. He does have a basis for agreement with you, if you would mellow enough to see it.

HughBe--- Perhaps you are correct about the agreement thing but my words above to YOU are clear.

Frijoles----Half life?(from your other post). What do you mean?

HughBe---"the length of time needed for the radioactivity of a radioactive substance to be reduced by half"
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70335 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Me thinks you would have to stand in line behind Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, who, by the way, despite their similarities to you, do disgust better than you.
HughBe---if it be the will of the Almighty I could be the ruler of America. Now go ahead and mock the idea.

Frijoles---Me thinks you would have to stand in line behind Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, who, by the way, despite their similarities to you, do disgust better than you.

HughBe--- My son, you are not connected to the ALMIGHTY and so you are in no position to speak for Him. On the other hand you are qualified to speak for the gods.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70336 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.
Guilty.
HughBe--- My memory tells me that the substance in his blood should not have been at the level it was based on its half-life. It was a long time ago but that is what my memory tells me. I believe it was some preservative.

Former---There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.

Guilty.

HughBe--- Intelligent of you. I take it that a trail of blood from point x via the road to your house miles away means that you are responsible for it.

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