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former res

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Feb 13, 2014
 
Frijoles

I just have to repeat that: Thought (belief) will always drive behavior. You don't just buy flowers for your wife because it's a habit or an instinct. You've thought about it, and you know it's a holiday, a tradition, and/or an expectation (on her part!). There are things we do without thinking of course (breathing etc), but not so much in the religious (or spiritual) realm.

You've also said something to the effect of "think less" and how logic does not necessarily apply to all of this (as opposed to science), but it seems you've thought and reasoned this out quite a bit.

On the side. I was just watching the snow. Oddly enough I can barely see it falling, almost not at all. But it is clearly accumulating rapidly on the ground. So I know (have faith, believe) the snow really IS falling. How's that for a results-based observation of a process?(As you know me through my words on this forum? And god?)

I can't say that I understand your thinking or process. It is foreign to me, almost like another language. And I still think there must be underlying beliefs in order to drive all of it. But it is clear to me you're sincere and that it brings you some kind of reward, peace of mind, comfort, meaning. I believe you would say meaning.

As a still-occasional stoner, I like that comment.
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Feb 13, 2014
 
ps

Now it's lighter out and I can see the snow falling.

Mystery revealed.

:))

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former res wrote:
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I can't say that I understand your thinking or process. It is foreign to me, almost like another language. And I still think there must be underlying beliefs in order to drive all of it. But it is clear to me you're sincere and that it brings you some kind of reward, peace of mind, comfort, meaning. I believe you would say meaning.
As a still-occasional stoner, I like that comment.
I know its another language. You havent been exposed to these perspectives, since your exposure to religious thought appears to be from mainstream christianity. Thats why I posted Buber - another way to express it. Who, by the way, is not only regarded as a Jewish theologian, but a philosopher in the secular world as well. And one of theoretical muses of the Beat Generation as well Alan (Ginsberg etc*)(and therefore the Hippie generation).

Go back and read the article on Buber again and hopefully it will start to make sense. By the way, one can have a I-thou relationship not only with "God" but other things such as nature, people, etc.

*Alan Ginsburg and Martin Buber
http://ginsbergblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/mart...

".....1961 - Allen sought out "all the holy men I could find". "I wanted to find out if they had any suggestions. And they all did, and they were all good ones." - "First one I saw was Martin Buber, who was interested (interesting).

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former res wrote:
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Now it's lighter out and I can see the snow falling.
Mystery revealed.
:))
what snow?

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Feb 13, 2014
 
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what snow?
Keep an eye out for Yetis.

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Feb 13, 2014
 
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Keep an eye out for Yetis.
Probably wouldnt even notice.

Do you think we will break the 2 foot mark?
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yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: hasatan is adversary to WHOM? as it appears, you are working for him as an adversary to G-D also.


What G-D the jewish god? That is a 100% invented fake god.

There is no G-D there is only jewish idiots who invented the bible and who claimed they are "gods chosen"

Take your pervert bible and stick it up your ass.
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Feb 13, 2014
 
Who is the G-d you keep talking about. Don't you have the letter "O" in your alphabeth.
Don't jews have "O" in the jewish alphabeth?

I don't know what God you speak about - i've never seen any proof for the jewish god.

I don't go by the way of your primitive jewish laws, so stop calling me a sinner since i don't give a damn about the bible.

I a god in my way, i don't need any blessings or opinion of jews who believe in a primitive fantasy god.

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Feb 13, 2014
 
Battle of the nuts

Will sit back and enjoy
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rabbee: oh so is this your excuse for breaking, all the commandments from G-D?


What is that supposed to mean? the 10 commandments are retarded and clearly invented by primitive men who sought out to control thoughts of others.

Jesus christ - do you have alzheimer.?
I already told you - i am not a christian and thankfully not a jew - I'm not supposed to follow that.

You jews however have alot of laws to keep - I can just open the bible on the shelf and read in the old testament - then i can see what you are supposed to do.
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Feb 13, 2014
 
I can work the sabbath day, i can do lots of things that jews can't do according to the old testament.

but jews do those things anyways - they constantly break the rules that they invented themselfs.

Jews are shameless.

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Feb 13, 2014
 
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Probably wouldnt even notice.
Do you think we will break the 2 foot mark?
Don't know.

Snow is getting wet and packed now. Blower worked good this morning, but is worthless now. I'm beat. Lighting a nice fire now and will sit the rest of it out.
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Feb 13, 2014
 
Not sure if this showed up the first time (Post #67565), 3 hours ago.
It seemed invisible off and on. Maybe just not as interesting as I thought it was:

It's interesting. I think CoR posted this information:

What percentage of philosophers believe in God?

God: atheism 72.8%; theism 14.6%; other 12.6%.

And:

Scientists and Belief

Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

[Tried deleting the links as it didn't show up 2nd time either, post #...77]

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Feb 13, 2014
 
Frijoles wrote:
Battle of the nuts
Will sit back and enjoy
Faroe Islands is known to host various proxy servers. My guess is we are dealing with a regular who is now trolling under a different name.

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Feb 13, 2014
 
former res wrote:
Not sure if this showed up the first time (Post #67565), 3 hours ago.
It seemed invisible off and on. Maybe just not as interesting as I thought it was:
It's interesting. I think CoR posted this information:
What percentage of philosophers believe in God?
God: atheism 72.8%; theism 14.6%; other 12.6%.
And:
Scientists and Belief
Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.
[Tried deleting the links as it didn't show up 2nd time either, post #...77]
That's just the general scientific population. If you narrow that community down to just members of the National Academy of Sciences, that number jumps to about 85%. And then there is a breakdown between scientific disciplines. I believe biologists have the highest rate of atheism.

Of course, there are various explanations of why this is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...

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Don't know.
Snow is getting wet and packed now. Blower worked good this morning, but is worthless now. I'm beat. Lighting a nice fire now and will sit the rest of it out.
I have shoveled twice already - the second time as it began to sleet. Wanted to get a head of it.

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Faroe Islands is known to host various proxy servers. My guess is we are dealing with a regular who is now trolling under a different name.
I dont think he is a regular, but I dont think for a moment that he is from an obscure Danish island either. IF he is stupid enough to try to converse, who am I to stop him?

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That's just the general scientific population. If you narrow that community down to just members of the National Academy of Sciences, that number jumps to about 85%. And then there is a breakdown between scientific disciplines. I believe biologists have the highest rate of atheism.
Of course, there are various explanations of why this is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...
and I bet physicians have the lowest rate.

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What G-D the jewish god? That is a 100% invented fake god.
There is no G-D there is only jewish idiots who invented the bible and who claimed they are "gods chosen"
Take your pervert bible and stick it up your ass.
rabbee: well i did not invent their g-ds, made in their own selfish tribal image. and as far as i know, from TheG-D WHO came to visit me. THEY BOTH in ONE, did not look nor act jewish. and according to them, THEY are still giving The Torah Accounting here in IT. to include, adam and yo mama of all again.

and since you are being a real stubborn cross between a donkey and a horse, i guess this could be done, to you. because i do not use, the bible. The Torah is sufficient to tell me the history and prophecy of this world all dooming themselves and their children and grandchildren with lies.

do you really expect me to take your deceitful, word for anything? after i have had three visits from G-D, here in TheTorah in so far 70 years here in IT. i believe G-D has pretty much clarified the situation, here in The Torah actually happening again from THEM.

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Who is the G-d you keep talking about. Don't you have the letter "O" in your alphabeth.
Don't jews have "O" in the jewish alphabeth?
I don't know what God you speak about - i've never seen any proof for the jewish god.
I don't go by the way of your primitive jewish laws, so stop calling me a sinner since i don't give a damn about the bible.
I a god in my way, i don't need any blessings or opinion of jews who believe in a primitive fantasy god.
rabbee: well you only say there is no G-D, so why should this matter to your sinning again THEM? as their jewish g-d/s are not the same as The G-D of my visitations as THEIR HisSon adam. cause i am here in The Torah THEY are giving again, and all of you, are the nobodies here in IT again. just like the last time, there was nobody here in TheTorah. cause you all claim, your in some other story without The G-D WHO only and always gives only This actually. and as long as your pretending like your not here in The Story from THEM again. your always going to be a sinner. as i can assure you, my FATHER/MOTHER THEY are no fantasy here in The Torah just again. no matter all you nobodies here in The Torah, fantasize otherwise. but don't worry your atheist dream shall come true, having no other place to go but oblivion for your worshiping of men.

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