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#67003 Feb 6, 2014
The prophets/sages were wrong in positing consciousness as the prime thing that counts in the universe and in the individual's life.

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#67004 Feb 6, 2014
The prophets/sages would enter into a particular mode of consciousness and get so deeply involved in it that they'd fail to see the basis of consciousness which is activity of energy/matter of a system in various stages of organization.

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#67005 Feb 6, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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Sure he has the right. But what was accomplished? The debate was just sideshow. If actual facts were enough to sway believers in this type of junk to change their minds there would be no believers in this. There were no epiphanies, both sides claim victory.
With this, I agree and I said as much the other day. It is a pleasant surprise, however, that many evangelicals are acknowledging that Nye won the debate. Could be a sign of the apocalypse.

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#67006 Feb 6, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
What Mr. Nye did accomplish was to give steer cred to his minions and allow him to scream 'Look! The heathen scientists are attacking us because we're right!'
Giving the quacks an air of credibility. Yea, I get that. In case you're not aware, the secular community was overwhelmingly against this debate.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67007 Feb 6, 2014
Cult of Reason--What a bizarre rant. Is it that time of the month for you?

HughBe--- The thing is your nonsense above is not strange and indeed it is a typical rant that one expects from you. In addition, it is that time of month when I try to enlighten those that dwell in darkness e.g. YOU.

COR---Tell me, Hugh, what is a Labarum. Which letters does it consist of? What was it used for?

HughBe--- 1. I have no idea. 2. I know about your DUMB part but I was not aware that you were also BLIND. Anyhow, the letters are : L-A-B-A-R-U-M. Tell me, do you understand that YOU have spoken about LETTERS and NOT a letter?

So when you speak about LETTERS I take it that in your neck of the HOLE it means ONE letter and it explains your use of xtian and xtianity. Please be kind and tell me the labarum LETTERS in your words. 3. Toilet paper?

COR---Go do some homework and get back to me you silly xtian.

HUghBe--- As you know personally, when confronted with reality and truth the weak-minded express themselves as you have done.

Now go as you were instructed to. The instructions are below.

HughBe--- You are NOT a bloody fool and YOU know that your "xtianity" is DISRESPECTFUL etc.(Flattery)

Lesson 1-- no Christian would refer to the religion in that way.

Do you care to hazard a guess as to why Christians would not speak the way that you did?

Give it a try.

I want YOU to speak to any real atheists or agnostic and NOT a pretender like you and describe Christianity in the way that you did and see his or her response. Do the same to ANY Christian that you know or encounter in your area and let me know the response.
Wake-up, COR.

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#67008 Feb 6, 2014
Given the ignorance of the prophets and sages in failing to understand that consciousness is not a thing but an activity of energy/matter in various stages of organization, we, as a result, see the prophets and sages making multiple errors in talking about reality. The reality is not consciousness which is merely the surface activity of energy/matter in different stages of organization. This would mean that consciousness, like, say, mass, space, time, gravity and so on, arises from energy/matter not that consciousness created energy/matter. Consciousness is devoid of substance and of energy and so it can neither create anything nor do work. Consciousness can be altered by psychotropic drugs and consciousness is affected if the brain is damaged. Thus, consciousness is always associated with matter/energy and can neither exist by itself nor do work on its own. To conclude, not surprisingly, on account of their ignorance about the basis of consciousness (which is simply an activity of energy/matter which gets manifested at various levels of organization of energy/matter of a system), none of the prophets could tell us anything about the true laws of nature or about the origins of the universe or about the emergence of life or about appearance of the species nor could they efface the sufferings of humankind nor ease the burden of people by inventing machines and expectedly not a single prophecy on a long term basis made by a prophet/sage has fulfilled itself. So, the prophets/sages were mere mind control specialists, preachers of superstitions, liars, murderers, ignorant bronze age barbarians and megalomaniacs who lived in the surface activity of energy/matter which is their individual consciousness.

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#67009 Feb 6, 2014
Each degree of organization of energy/matter gives rise to a specific degree of consciousness. The more organized a system is - like say the human brain - in terms of its complexity of parts and with respect to the interactions of these complex parts among themselves and with their surroundings the more does consciousness as an epiphenomenon manifest in the given system.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#67010 Feb 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>...In case you're not aware, the secular community was overwhelmingly against this debate.
I wasn't. I no longer get the newsletter because of back dues.

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#67011 Feb 6, 2014
Mystical experience relates to entering into the various degrees of consciousness produced by the activity of different brain states.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67012 Feb 6, 2014
Cult of Reason--What a bizarre rant. Is it that time of the month for you?

HughBe--- The thing is, your nonsense above is not strange and indeed it is a typical rant that one expects from you. In addition, it is that time of month when I try to enlighten those that dwell in darkness e.g. YOU.

COR---Tell me, Hugh, what is a Labarum. Which letters does it consist of? What was it used for?

HughBe--- 1. I have no idea. 2. I know about your DUMB part but I was not aware that you were also BLIND. Anyhow, the letters are : L-A-B-A-R-U-M. Tell me, do you understand that YOU have spoken about LETTERS and NOT a letter?

So when you speak about LETTERS I take it that in your neck of the HOLE it means ONE letter and it explains your use of xtian and xtianity. Please be kind and tell me the labarum LETTERS in your words. 3. Toilet paper?

COR---Go do some homework and get back to me you silly xtian.

HUghBe--- As you know personally, when confronted with reality and truth the weak-minded express themselves as you have done.

Now go as you were instructed to. The instructions are below.

HughBe--- You are NOT a bloody fool and YOU know that your "xtianity" is DISRESPECTFUL etc.(Flattery)

Lesson 1-- no Christian would refer to the religion in that way.

Do you care to hazard a guess as to why Christians would not speak the way that you did?

Give it a try.

I want YOU to speak to any real atheists or agnostic and NOT a pretender like you and describe Christianity in the way that you did and see his or her response. Do the same to ANY Christian that you know or encounter in your area and let me know the response.
Wake-up, COR.

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#67013 Feb 6, 2014
The source of the universe is the quantum vacuum zero-point energy.

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#67014 Feb 6, 2014
On account of the ignorance of the prophets and sages in failing to understand that consciousness is not a thing but an activity of energy/matter in various stages of organization, we, as a result, see the prophets and sages making multiple errors in talking about reality.

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#67015 Feb 6, 2014
Why is our universe so ordered when energy/matter are so random and destructive in nature? Is the human being who lives in a state of existence far away from equilibrium stable? Why does there exist this persistent experience of awareness at all times in the waking state?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67016 Feb 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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a total non answer.
Here is the article again. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-reli...
You said you shared most of their beliefs
What beliefs dont you share? use the article as frame of reference
Its a fair question since you brought it up. Plus thats what we do here. We discuss our personal views about religion.
And SHOCKINGLY - the article addresses the theme of the forum!!!!!!!!
HughBe----I agree with the teachings that are found in the scriptures. When I say agree I mean that I deem them as a must.

Frijoles---a total non answer.

HughBe--- Do you understand YOUR question? Go back and reread your question and ask it again.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67017 Feb 6, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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Messianics pretend to be Jews in order to convert actual Jews to their Xtian beliefs, The Messianic movement was created and still funded by various Xtian denominations.
It appears these others, not sure what you call them, just want to be left alone (an more importantly, leave others alone) to do their thing.
As far as I'm concerned, you can believe that Slim Whitman is the messiah and yodel three times a day as long as you don't call yourself Jewish.
Young Ricky---Messianics pretend to be Jews in order to convert actual Jews to their Xtian beliefs

HughBe--- What makes someone an ACTUAL Jew? Are there ACTUAL Jews in the Messianic movement?

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#67018 Feb 6, 2014
ORDER FROM DISORDER:

Since the evidence from cosmology, neuroscience, biochemistry, evolution and mystical experience indicates that consciousness is not a thing but an activity of energy/matter of a system thus it's easy to understand the basic fact that consciousness develops as energy/matter gets a little organized on account of the inherent attraction and repulsion forces at work forging the requisite degree of harmony. Just a little tilt in favor of the correct balance of the interacting forces of a system and there consciousness makes an appearance as a result of this faint degree of organization that arises. If many points of organization appear from the correct mix of the forces of attraction/repulsion then a certain degree of organization appears in the universe and this then kicks starts the process of producing galaxies, finely tuned physical constants and finally material structures like sentient entities.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67020 Feb 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Why is our universe so ordered when energy/matter are so random and destructive in nature? Is the human being who lives in a state of existence far away from equilibrium stable? Why does there exist this persistent experience of awareness at all times in the waking state?
Joel---Why is our universe so ordered when energy/matter are so random and destructive in nature?

Hugh--- Greetings dear, Joel. The question is a very good one and it tells me that there is an extremely HIGH level of INTELLIGENCE for things to be as you have said and I would add POWER. Share your thoughts, on the matter.
HughBe

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#67021 Feb 6, 2014
It is 9:41 here and I have had a hard day. Good night.

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#67023 Feb 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Cult of Reason--What a bizarre rant. Is it that time of the month for you?
HughBe--- The thing is, your nonsense above is not strange and indeed it is a typical rant that one expects from you. In addition, it is that time of month when I try to enlighten those that dwell in darkness e.g. YOU.
COR---Tell me, Hugh, what is a Labarum. Which letters does it consist of? What was it used for?
HughBe--- 1. I have no idea. 2. I know about your DUMB part but I was not aware that you were also BLIND. Anyhow, the letters are : L-A-B-A-R-U-M. Tell me, do you understand that YOU have spoken about LETTERS and NOT a letter?
So when you speak about LETTERS I take it that in your neck of the HOLE it means ONE letter and it explains your use of xtian and xtianity. Please be kind and tell me the labarum LETTERS in your words. 3. Toilet paper?
COR---Go do some homework and get back to me you silly xtian.
HUghBe--- As you know personally, when confronted with reality and truth the weak-minded express themselves as you have done.
Now go as you were instructed to. The instructions are below.
HughBe--- You are NOT a bloody fool and YOU know that your "xtianity" is DISRESPECTFUL etc.(Flattery)
Lesson 1-- no Christian would refer to the religion in that way.
Do you care to hazard a guess as to why Christians would not speak the way that you did?
Give it a try.
I want YOU to speak to any real atheists or agnostic and NOT a pretender like you and describe Christianity in the way that you did and see his or her response. Do the same to ANY Christian that you know or encounter in your area and let me know the response.
Wake-up, COR.
And the bizarre rant continues.

Go educate yourself on what the 'x' represents, foolish xtian.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67024 Feb 6, 2014
REPLY TO HUGH:

Our universe is a mass of destructive activities with galaxies colliding, stars exploding, harsh conditions everywhere except on earth, struggle and competition among the species on earth, suffering, diseases, decomposition and death and a final heat death of the universe.
Intelligence or consciousness is not a thing but an activity of energy/matter.

Consciousness is not a thing since it's devoid of stuff.

Consciousness is not activity since it does not have energy that is needed to do work.

Certain drugs alter consciousness in sentient entities, damage to neurons creates imbalances in consciousness and death of neurons results in disappearance of consciousness.

So, the only plausible explanation is that intelligence/consciousness is merely a product of energy/matter that emerges as a result of molecular organization and molecular activity.

At the universal scale, consciousness puts in an appearance as an epiphenomenon in an anisotropic system when the clashing and opposing tendencies (attractive and repulsive forces) of the system enter into a state of harmony howsoever minuscule which then correspondingly gives rise to certain degree of consciousness. This state is the turning point in the movement towards manifesting the cosmos from chaos.

The greater the degree of organization in the system, the greater is the degree of consciousness.

Like space and time, consciousness is a phenomenon of energy/matter.

Consciousness is not the noumenon.

Consciousness is a phenomenon of energy/matter in various stages of organization.

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