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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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#66800 Feb 4, 2014
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#66801 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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To revisit this:
I believe that God is real (i.e. not created by man), but man invented "Godtalk" and religion.
Although you believe that God is real, do you acknowledge that, even if he didn't, religion could still flourish, driven strictly by personal psychology and/or group sociology?
former res

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#66802 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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To revisit this:
I believe that God is real (i.e. not created by man), but man invented "Godtalk" and religion.
If you consider the universe/nature/everything around us to be god, then this is one thing.

But most folks who believe in god I think mean a creator, an entity with a master plan, or even an all-knowing presence who perhaps even judges us.

And some people just say, "There is something out there," and they are comfortable calling this god.

Stephen Hawking helped to show that we needed no "creator." Big bang.

Saw a fascinating film on his life on PBS the other night.

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#66803 Feb 4, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Although you believe that God is real, do you acknowledge that, even if he didn't, religion could still flourish, driven strictly by personal psychology and/or group sociology?
I define religion as mans response to his perception of God. So religion always manmade,

What is at the root of the questioning here is whether the perception is real or not.

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#66804 Feb 4, 2014
former res wrote:
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If you consider the universe/nature/everything around us to be god, then this is one thing.
But most folks who believe in god I think mean a creator, an entity with a master plan, or even an all-knowing presence who perhaps even judges us.
And some people just say, "There is something out there," and they are comfortable calling this god.
Stephen Hawking helped to show that we needed no "creator." Big bang.
Saw a fascinating film on his life on PBS the other night.
Again, you are confusing "most folks" with theism, and (arguably) probably a Christian version of theism

But as we spent much time previously, I disagree with the qualifier "most folks". Some folks. Many folks, perhaps. But not necessarily most folks.

There are A LOT of people, and a lot of Jews, who approach it from a more nondual perspective.

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#66805 Feb 4, 2014
Jeebus - judged within less than 4 minutes. You are QUICK!
Frijoles

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#66806 Feb 4, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I noticed the same thing. Not working for me either. Are you using a Chrome browser by any chance?
Hello from IE.(the other posts were from Chrome)

Interestingly enough, I just got a popup blocking window option on IE, which I disabled, and then judged you as brilliant!

So somewhere there is a popup blocker nested in my Chrome.

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#66807 Feb 4, 2014
Are any of you going to watch the debate between the Science Guy and the guy that built the Creationism museum?

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/0...

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#66808 Feb 4, 2014
I found my judgements! the window was projecting to on the top of the page - necessitating a scroll up to find it. Weird.

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#66809 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I define religion as mans response to his perception of God. So religion always manmade,
What is at the root of the questioning here is whether the perception is real or not.
Right. We can certainly think we are perceiving something, even if it doesn't exist. Correct?

And we can still build a religion around that false perception, again, driven strictly by personal psychology and/or group sociology. No?

So it sounds like you are saying that religion really just becomes a tool to help us deal with our perception of God, But, if he's not real, do you think that devalues religion, or do you think it can still flourish with the knowledge that God didn't exist?

(real or not). So religion is manmade, and potentially, so is God.

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#66810 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
Are any of you going to watch the debate between the Science Guy and the guy that built the Creationism museum?
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/0...
Nope. I don't think Bill Nye should have accepted. It's giving an air of credibility to this bozo (Ken Hamm) where none is deserved. Additionaly, he (Ken) reaps all the benefits from it in terms of ticket sales and ownership of the official video production. I also read that he rigged the ticket sales to ensure the audience are mostly creationists. I'll read up on the outcome tomorrow.

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#66811 Feb 4, 2014
Correction: Bill Nye should NOT have accpeted.

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#66812 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
I found my judgements! the window was projecting to on the top of the page - necessitating a scroll up to find it. Weird.
Mystery solved. Not that it matters. I rarely use them other than the occasional Funny icon.
former res

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#66813 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I define religion as mans response to his perception of God. So religion always manmade,
What is at the root of the questioning here is whether the perception is real or not.
I don't agree that's the question.

The perception is clearly real.

If a mental patient sees a pink elephant, his perception is real.

But is the elephant?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#66814 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Again, you are confusing "most folks" with theism, and (arguably) probably a Christian version of theism
But as we spent much time previously, I disagree with the qualifier "most folks". Some folks. Many folks, perhaps. But not necessarily most folks.
There are A LOT of people, and a lot of Jews, who approach it from a more nondual perspective.
Maybe so, but that's my "perception" of what most people mean when they say they believe in god.

This is a WASP country so that may indeed have affected my perception. Understandable I think.

BTW, I believe there about as many Muslims in this country as Jews, so they may want to be heard as well.
former res

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#66815 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Again, you are confusing "most folks" with theism, and (arguably) probably a Christian version of theism
But as we spent much time previously, I disagree with the qualifier "most folks". Some folks. Many folks, perhaps. But not necessarily most folks.
There are A LOT of people, and a lot of Jews, who approach it from a more nondual perspective.
...and anyway, my point is that your definition of god is so wide, so all-encompassing, so lucy-goosey - that by your definition I should say I believe in god too.

But I wouldn't. It would confuse people into thinking I believe something that I don't and that would (in my opinion) be entirely justified.

Hence my previous confusion. But we're cool now. As you were.
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#66816 Feb 4, 2014
I spaced. Should have been:

loosey-goosey
HughBe

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#66817 Feb 4, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
".....The metaphors change over time, as God's people come to understand God in new ways....
SHOCKING, SHOCKING, SHOCKING
(not)
It is interesting that the God of ALL flesh is understood in "new ways" by members of your religion/Judaism and by NEW WAYS I take it that you mean that they have a BETTER understanding of Him now than in ancient times.

Why this is fascinating is that unlike the prophets who SPOKE to God and the ancient Israelites who He spoke with, these MORE enlightened ones DO NOT have DIRECT experiences with Him. In fact they do NOT have any experience with Him. So, on what is this better understanding based upon? Is it based on the cycles of the rabbis?

Fascinating.

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#66818 Feb 4, 2014
former res wrote:
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Maybe so, but that's my "perception" of what most people mean when they say they believe in god.
This is a WASP country so that may indeed have affected my perception. Understandable I think.
BTW, I believe there about as many Muslims in this country as Jews, so they may want to be heard as well.
There is a strain of nonduality within Islam as well. Sufism.

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#66819 Feb 4, 2014
former res wrote:
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I don't agree that's the question.
The perception is clearly real.
If a mental patient sees a pink elephant, his perception is real.
But is the elephant?
Another way of stating my same question.

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