Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Didn't you say that they exist in some cosmic plain?
I saw what you meant after reading the Genesis of religion.
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The science deniers will love this one......"So you mean it's cold because it's getting warmer???" Evidently, yes. Though they say the cause is still up for discussion.

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The cold experienced in early January was actually a result of the polar vortex weakening, becoming warmer and therefore releasing its powerful chill beyond its normal reach through the northern climes, NOAA says.

Weather experts at NOAA said the intense cold air the U.S. has experienced is in fact a result of a warming world and increasing climate variability. While researchers cannot yet determine whether the fluctuations are a result of natural patterns or environmental effects, meteorologists can predict that parts of the U.S. will see freezing weather again in the coming days as a result of a polar vortex breakdown.

The first stops for the next wave of cold air are the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region on Sunday, according to Weather.com . The Northern Plains to the Upper Mississippi Valley, Great Lakes, Ohio Valley and Northeast will get hit by the blast on Tuesday into Thursday.

Temperatures will hover in the single digits and teens in these areas, which are 10 to 25 degrees below average for this already-chilly time of year.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/18/22...

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rabbee: or trying to be a fake, head jew replacement!
From what I understand, the position of high priest was/is very lucrative.
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Yep. Perhaps you can tell me why the pope wears a yarmulke. In Jewish tradition, this is not a commandment, only a custom, though a custom adopted by 100% of observant Jews.
The zucchetto began existence as the Greek pilos and is a descendant of the beret (which itself was originally a large zucchetto). It was adopted circa the Early Middle Ages, if not earlier, to keep clerics' tonsured [shaved] heads warm. Its name derives from its resemblance to half a pumpkin. Its appearance is almost identical to the Jewish kippah (yarmulke), though its significance is quite different.[3][4]

The zucchetto (/ts&#650;&#712;k& #603;to&#650;/; Italian pronunciation:[t&#865;suk &#712;ketto];[1] Italian: "small gourd", from zucca, "pumpkin",[note 1] figuratively referred to the human head[2]) is a small, hemispherical, form-fitting ecclesiastical skullcap worn by clerics of various Catholic Church rites and used by the higher clergy in Anglicanism as well as in the Eastern Orthodox Church tradition. The plural is zucchetti; it is also known by the names pilus, pilos, pileus, pileolus (pileolo), subbiretum, submitrale, soli deo ("solideo"), berettino, calotte ("calotta").[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucchetto

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Yea, I like that and it's probably closer to defining my own personal belief than I previously considered.
That being said, most people don't know that most of the best Superman stories were speculation about how Superman could the the Messiah and how he would both benefit and hinder the human race (Lex Luthor had some very valid points). One of my favourites is "Red Son" -- where Superman lands as a child in Soviet Russia instead of Kansas and goes on to be Stalin's successor and spreading the Communist way of life. Eventually he is defeated by the Lex Luthor (who is the US President) and then Luthor leads the world to a global renaissance which -- spoiler alert -- ends up in the far future being Krypton and the whole cycle begins again.
But, I have been painting models all morning and I might be high as a glue-sniffing cat.
I'm glad it was you rather than me to draw the parallel between religion and comic books.

If I had said it, it might have come off as condescending.

Some might mention fairly tales in the same vein.

All due respect of course.
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Had some pretty lively discussions about his with the religious community. Over-emphasis on messianic prophecy leads to a lot of bad things, in my iopinion. I understand fully that it has been a central tenet of Judaism since pre-Talmudic times and something that has held us together as a people for an equally long time. However,, I'm concerned that over-emphasis on seeking the Messiah (not the concept of a Messiah itself) leads to diversion from world that is to the world that will be, poor selection criteria and cults of personality. There are lots of people out there more than willing to volunteer for the position and a lot of us stupid enough to let them take the job.
IMHO we might want to rethink the undoubtedly appealing but nevertheless potentially distracting business of waiting for the Messiah.(This is of course my own opinion and not that of Jewish Conspiracy Inc, it's holding company or subsidiaries).
I used to work with a guy who couldn't possibly have been more miserable in his life, on so many levels.

He claimed he didn't care because "this life doesn't matter and all will be different and better in the next life."

It was something for him to hold onto. He ended up going out on disability for psychological, stress-related causes.
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Religion has been debunked long ago.
Why would a non-believer frequent this forum?

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Those couple of quotes of Devarim,(one of the Moses' books) from the link talks about the end of the days rather than the jewish concept of Messiah that you were referring to.
In Jewish theology its the same process. Thats what I said before.

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The zucchetto began existence as the Greek pilos and is a descendant of the beret (which itself was originally a large zucchetto). It was adopted circa the Early Middle Ages, if not earlier, to keep clerics' tonsured [shaved] heads warm. Its name derives from its resemblance to half a pumpkin. Its appearance is almost identical to the Jewish kippah (yarmulke), though its significance is quite different.[3][4]
The zucchetto (/ts&#650;&#712;k& #603;to&#650;/; Italian pronunciation:[t&#865;suk &#712;ketto];[1] Italian: "small gourd", from zucca, "pumpkin",[note 1] figuratively referred to the human head[2]) is a small, hemispherical, form-fitting ecclesiastical skullcap worn by clerics of various Catholic Church rites and used by the higher clergy in Anglicanism as well as in the Eastern Orthodox Church tradition. The plural is zucchetti; it is also known by the names pilus, pilos, pileus, pileolus (pileolo), subbiretum, submitrale, soli deo ("solideo"), berettino, calotte ("calotta").[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucchetto
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I wear a hat when I haven't had a shower and my hair
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If the Catholics want to wear a gourd on their head, who am I to make fun of them?

Though I suspect a streimel would be more snazzy

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I'm glad it was you rather than me to draw the parallel between religion and comic books.
If I had said it, it might have come off as condescending.
Some might mention fairly tales in the same vein.
All due respect of course.
You do realize that many of the early Comic books were created by young Jews who stumbled into the fact that pop culture offered a decent market for an adaption of their traditional lore and themes. Sci-Fi as well.

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The science deniers will love this one......"So you mean it's cold because it's getting warmer???" Evidently, yes. Though they say the cause is still up for discussion.
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The cold experienced in early January was actually a result of the polar vortex weakening, becoming warmer and therefore releasing its powerful chill beyond its normal reach through the northern climes, NOAA says.
Weather experts at NOAA said the intense cold air the U.S. has experienced is in fact a result of a warming world and increasing climate variability. While researchers cannot yet determine whether the fluctuations are a result of natural patterns or environmental effects, meteorologists can predict that parts of the U.S. will see freezing weather again in the coming days as a result of a polar vortex breakdown.
The first stops for the next wave of cold air are the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region on Sunday, according to Weather.com . The Northern Plains to the Upper Mississippi Valley, Great Lakes, Ohio Valley and Northeast will get hit by the blast on Tuesday into Thursday.
Temperatures will hover in the single digits and teens in these areas, which are 10 to 25 degrees below average for this already-chilly time of year.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/18/22...
A lot of that can be explained by the notion that "global warming" is kind of a misnomer. Its "climate change", and the basic idea is that much of the world will be subject to a higher frequency of temp extremes and larger magnitude storm events (along with the higher AVERAGE temperatures).

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Why would a non-believer frequent this forum?
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If the Catholics want to wear a gourd on their head, who am I to make fun of them?
Though I suspect a streimel would be more snazzy
https://www.google.com/search...
Yikes! Now that's a hat.

I prefer one of my baseball caps.

Usually the Ocracoke (NC) one or the Martha's Vineyard one I got this summer. Guess I like islands.
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You do realize that many of the early Comic books were created by young Jews who stumbled into the fact that pop culture offered a decent market for an adaption of their traditional lore and themes. Sci-Fi as well.
Absolutely.

And I don't think it matters much which came first. Do you?

Much easier to share a message if you can entertain the folks at the same time.

Which goes back to my original point.

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I'm glad it was you rather than me to draw the parallel between religion and comic books.
If I had said it, it might have come off as condescending.
Some might mention fairly tales in the same vein.
All due respect of course.
Comic books allow us to (frequently) speculate into theological and philosophical issues without offending anyone's religious sensibilities. I'm not the first to draw parallels between Suiperman and The Jewish Messiah.

It's no coincidence that many of the great comic artists and writers (including the creators of Superman) were Jewish.

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Absolutely.
And I don't think it matters much which came first. Do you?
Much easier to share a message if you can entertain the folks at the same time.
Which goes back to my original point.
Myth is myth, regardless of its trappings, and being myth doesnt detract from its value. Myth provides a structure to derive deeper layers of meanings.

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Comic books allow us to (frequently) speculate into theological and philosophical issues without offending anyone's religious sensibilities. I'm not the first to draw parallels between Suiperman and The Jewish Messiah.
It's no coincidence that many of the great comic artists and writers (including the creators of Superman) were Jewish.
What comes to mind is the incantation "Abra Cadbabra", a totally "nonoffensive" declaration of magic.

Which, unknown to most, is just Hebrew for "I create as I speak", in most likelihood derived directly from Kaballa (Jewish mysticism), and undoubtably shared by many other world mysticisms as well.

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Yikes! Now that's a hat.
I prefer one of my baseball caps.
Usually the Ocracoke (NC) one or the Martha's Vineyard one I got this summer. Guess I like islands.
http://www.mywesternwall.net/2013/05/06/the-s...

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What comes to mind is the incantation "Abra Cadbabra", a totally "nonoffensive" declaration of magic.
Which, unknown to most, is just Hebrew for "I create as I speak", in most likelihood derived directly from Kaballa (Jewish mysticism), and undoubtably shared by many other world mysticisms as well.
Is it surprising that so many non-Jews attribute magical powers to the Jews? They've been trying to wipe us out for millennia and we're still here, bigger than ever. The Penn and Teller of ethnic groups.

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http://www.mywesternwall.net/2013/05/06/the-s...
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I'm sorry, but there is now and will always be only ONE cool hat for the remainder of time.

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