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#65651 Jan 11, 2014
The only plus point of being virtuous is that people tend to like you and trust you, otherwise your being a good human being is not an advantage as it does not shield you from failure, disease and suffering. Success, staying disease free and being immune to suffering arise from superior capacities of mind, emotions and body related to the same and are in no way directly related to the instinct of being good or virtuous.

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#65652 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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All I can say to that is that this hasnt been my experience.
Has it been your experience? I.E. Have you been directly involved in science at some time in your career path? and if you havent, why would posit this? It seems to me a tad cynical.
Sorry for the late reply, I flew back to Sing just in time for Shabbat. Lucky me.

"Have I been directly involved in science in some time in my career path?" I supposed that depends on what type of science to which you're referring. I have always worked in the technology field and I'm currently back in academia finishing a degree in nursing.

My clinical work is at a teaching/research hospital but my most direct involvement in the research process was sleeping with grad students back in the day (My! They love to kvetch about their work).

However, I do read fairly widely (particularly if you include comics) and there is plenty of documented evidence concerning research bias, in all parts of the process, out there to look for. In general, I can refer you to a Wiki article on funding bias ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias ) as a type of experimenter's bias. The reference links are pretty interesting.

Specific to climate change, there is a fairly interesting account of one man's fight with the National Science Foundation (tax payer funded) concerning their pretty extensive bias concerning climate change research ( http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/03... )

To follow up, you can read a Washington Times article concerning government research bias ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/... )

This list is no where near exhaustive and if you remain unconvinced of the possibility of systemic bias on the part of those in control of billions of dollars of research funding then I invite you to look into it on your own.

I fully appreciate that your specific experience might not contain such examples, but far from being cynical to believe it exists (consider the large amount of prima facie evidence out there) I would suggest to not believe bias exists across the entire range of the research process (from funding to publication) is being astoundingly naive.

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#65653 Jan 12, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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Sorry for the late reply, I flew back to Sing just in time for Shabbat. Lucky me.
"Have I been directly involved in science in some time in my career path?" I supposed that depends on what type of science to which you're referring. I have always worked in the technology field and I'm currently back in academia finishing a degree in nursing.
My clinical work is at a teaching/research hospital but my most direct involvement in the research process was sleeping with grad students back in the day (My! They love to kvetch about their work).
However, I do read fairly widely (particularly if you include comics) and there is plenty of documented evidence concerning research bias, in all parts of the process, out there to look for. In general, I can refer you to a Wiki article on funding bias ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias ) as a type of experimenter's bias. The reference links are pretty interesting.
Specific to climate change, there is a fairly interesting account of one man's fight with the National Science Foundation (tax payer funded) concerning their pretty extensive bias concerning climate change research ( http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/03... )
To follow up, you can read a Washington Times article concerning government research bias ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/... )
This list is no where near exhaustive and if you remain unconvinced of the possibility of systemic bias on the part of those in control of billions of dollars of research funding then I invite you to look into it on your own.
I fully appreciate that your specific experience might not contain such examples, but far from being cynical to believe it exists (consider the large amount of prima facie evidence out there) I would suggest to not believe bias exists across the entire range of the research process (from funding to publication) is being astoundingly naive.
Ok - thanks for sharing your background

a few observations

1. Wiki article - theoreticallly sound, but no where does it cite climate change as an example of funding bias. It does provide other examples - primarliy from the medical field, including the notorious cases from the Tobacco industry

2. Pielke article - argues for funding bias, but in the OPPOSITE direction that you are arguing. To quote from his Homepage

#5 "In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate forcings on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change..."

3. Washington times article - by a Cato institute researcher - a conservative think tank - hardly an objective voice - to quote wiki on the author: "...A self-described skeptic on the issue of global warming...". and goes on to report on his pedigree, which firmly puts him into a camp.

I never said that bias didnt exist - I just dont think,. with all the checks and balances that it has that big of an influence. It hasnt been my experience. Historically (in the past) the biggest issue is the lack of market (in the journals) for negative results, but in the explosion of the info age, this issue has retreated considerably as there are a plethora of electronic journals available who will publish negative results.

I think Pielke did an excellent job in his site framing the issue objectively, explaining the ramifications of theoretical bias. The nuances. I note he did have to state that global warming and climate change is not synonymous. DUH. But he is writing to lay people, so he had to say this.

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#65654 Jan 12, 2014
Rick,

Ok - thanks for sharing your background

a few observations

1. Wiki article - theoreticallly sound, but no where does it cite climate change as an example of funding bias. It does provide other examples - primarliy from the medical field, including the notorious cases from the Tobacco industry

2. Pielke article - argues for funding bias, but in the OPPOSITE direction that you are arguing. To quote from his Homepage

#5 "In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate forcings on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change..."

3. Washington times article - by a Cato institute researcher - a conservative think tank - hardly an objective voice - to quote wiki on the author: "...A self-described skeptic on the issue of global warming...". and goes on to report on his pedigree, which firmly puts him into a camp.

I never said that bias didnt exist - I just dont think,. with all the checks and balances that it has that big of an influence. It hasnt been my experience. Historically (in the past) the biggest issue is the lack of market (in the journals) for negative results, but in the explosion of the info age, this issue has retreated considerably as there are a plethora of electronic journals available who will publish negative results.

I think Pielke did an excellent job in his site framing the issue objectively, explaining the ramifications of theoretical bias. The nuances. I note he did have to state that global warming and climate change is not synonymous. DUH. But he is writing to lay people, so he had to say this.

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#65655 Jan 12, 2014
former res wrote:
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I think the whole nickname thing threw is off the track.
I should have focused on this from one of your earlier posts:
"However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better."
This explains the difference in treatment of the word, written vs spoken.
Cool - success!!

now for part 2, do you also get the (minor) point about why I write usually God, and other Jews write G-d?

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#65656 Jan 12, 2014
I see I double posted. Sorry.

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#65657 Jan 12, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
The only plus point of being virtuous is that people tend to like you and trust you, otherwise your being a good human being is not an advantage as it does not shield you from failure, disease and suffering. Success, staying disease free and being immune to suffering arise from superior capacities of mind, emotions and body related to the same and are in no way directly related to the instinct of being good or virtuous.
You would enjoy reading Ecclesiastes (Kohelet). It expands on your theme

to quote wiki "....He proclaims all the actions of man to be inherently hevel, meaning "vain", "futile", "empty", "meaningless", "temporary", "transitory", "fleeting" or "mere breath", as the lives of both wise and foolish men end in death.

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#65658 Jan 12, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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to quote wiki "....He proclaims all the actions of man to be inherently hevel, meaning "vain", "futile", "empty", "meaningless", "temporary", "transitory", "fleeting" or "mere breath", as the lives of both wise and foolish men end in death.

By referring to death, he's not done a brilliant job of explaining causation and how karma can be erased.

He simply refers to death being the end of everything which is not a logical explanation since the individual's disembodied field of consciousness-energy endures after death of the body and carries forward the vibratory imprints even after death in keeping with the innate causal/evolutionary mechanism.

Death can be overcome by vitalization or better done by supramentalization....

Death stalks matter till now because of the wear and tear and senescence that the body's cells are subjected to.

Most importantly, he does not talk about how karma can be defeated nor does he mention the basal driving force in the body nor does he talk about the evolution of consciousness nor does he refer to the planes and parts of being.

So, the man is a mere talker who's high on illogic and has zero yogic experiences.

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#65659 Jan 12, 2014
Nursing is such an inferior profession that's neither high on scientific knowledge nor does it pay well. A mere nurse is not a substitute for a trained doctor nor for a medical scientist. Girls and unmanly males enter nursing. The guy who loves dolls is well suited for nursing. LOL.

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#65660 Jan 12, 2014
While nursing is a profession for effeminate males, another profession for losers and unmanly males is housekeeping. Shame.

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#65661 Jan 12, 2014
dad, make my day. LOL.

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#65663 Jan 12, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Most importantly, he does not talk about how karma can be defeated nor does he mention the basal driving force in the body nor does he talk about the evolution of consciousness nor does he refer to the planes and parts of being.
So, the man is a mere talker who's high on illogic and has zero yogic experiences.
Idiot, this is literature, not science

you are a man of culture, arent you? Why cant you understand the difference?

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#65664 Jan 12, 2014
Rick Moss - A correction
Frijoles wrote:
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2. Pielke article - argues for funding bias, but in the OPPOSITE direction that you are arguing. To quote from his Homepage
#5 "In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate forcings on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change..."
I copied the wrong quote - look below that quote to get to this....

"....Humans are significantly altering the global climate, but in a variety of diverse ways beyond the radiative effect of carbon dioxide. The IPCC assessments have been too conservative in recognizing the importance of these human climate forcings as they alter regional and global climate. These assessments have also not communicated the inability of the models to accurately forecast the spread of possibilities of future climate. The forecasts, therefore, do not provide any skill in quantifying the impact of different mitigation strategies on the actual climate response
that would occur..."

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#65665 Jan 12, 2014
Absent without leave. LOL.

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#65666 Jan 12, 2014
Shemales have womanly breasts. I won't be surprised to learn that the gay nurse also works as a wet nurse to earn some quick bucks on the side. The impoverished nurse needs the extra cash to survive. These days, men are increasingly resembling women in appearance and girlish males are taking up careers that suit women. Shame.

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#65667 Jan 12, 2014
do you feel threatened by Rick?
former res

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#65668 Jan 12, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Cool - success!!
now for part 2, do you also get the (minor) point about why I write usually God, and other Jews write G-d?
Is this where the nickname thing comes into play?

Also that you're not orthodox?(Thought I doubt these other folks on here are either, for the most part..)
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#65669 Jan 12, 2014
I am jewish .00000001% from Adam and Eve

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#65670 Jan 12, 2014
VEDIC MUMBO JUMBO

Why can't present generation Indians replicate the so-called great scientific knowledge found in the ancient Sanskrit books and become the world's leading scientific power instead of borrowing, purchasing, imitating, or reverse engineering all the science and tech developed in the West? By the way, is something as simple as the inverse square law or the charge of electron or the mass of positron or Bernoulli's principle or the multiple oxidation states of carbon or the spin quantum number or pH or co-efficient of friction or any other basic scientific finding mentioned in these so-called great scientific books of ancient India? For instance, in particle physics, as seen in the Vedic texts, except for an elementary statement by Kanad about the presence of atoms in matter there's no clear reference accompanied by details about the conversion of energy into mass (E = mc^2) nor any details about the 4 quantum numbers (n, l, m and s) defining atom of element nor any information about structure of atom in terms of its basic particles like e, p and n nor any reference to nucleus of atom nor any mention of orbits/orbitals nor is there any talk about charge of proton/charge of electron/chargelessness of neutron nor is there a single mention about atomic numbers nor any reference to atomic mass nor any reference to atomic radius nor any mention is made of atomic volume nor any mention is made about the overall charge of atom being zero since n(p)= n(e) nor any reference to fields (you canít have an elementary particle without a field, but you can have a field without any particles) nor any reference to particle-anti particle annihilation nor any mention of plasma nor any mention of photons nor a single reference to virtual particles and so on....

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#65671 Jan 12, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
do you feel threatened by Rick?
Shouldn't you be the one feeling threatened since like the unintelligent and impoverished gay nurse you too are effeminate, impoverished, unintelligent and homosexual?

LMAO

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