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#65635 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH,

Why is it that the poor people suffer the most during natural calamities, wars, economic crash, riots and epidemics?

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#65636 Jan 11, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
HUGH,
Since you're so hooked on the words "sin", "sinners" and "divine retribution" (whatever these meaningless terms may mean to you), kindly answer the following question.
QUESTION:
Why is it that nothing visibly bad happens to big-time criminals like corrupt politicians, autocratic kings, religious figureheads preaching intolerance and hatred, blood and scam billionaires, terrorist masterminds, intel chiefs, drug lords, human traffickers, human sacrificers and other perverts?
What profit hath man of all his labour wherein he laboureth under the sun?

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#65637 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH,

In most religious scriptures poverty is glorified while harsh criticism is heaped on the accumulation of great wealth and the leading of a lavish lifestyle - why is this so?

Is it a "sin" to be rich and to spend lavishly on material comforts?

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#65638 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH:

Shouldn't this creature called G-d be wisely governing his creation that he supposedly created from nothing and so why isn't there "divine intervention" in world affairs that are so unjust, violent, cruel, manipulative, damaging to the ecosystem and harmful to the poor sections of the population who constitute the vast majority of people in the world?

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#65639 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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What profit hath man of all his labour wherein he laboureth under the sun?
Human thoughts, words and deeds sink into the subconscious from where they add to or subtracts from the evolution of the individual's consciousness.

However, if the human will is potent and if the individual's mind, emotions and body are resilient and tuned in to the powerful will then even adverse karma do not upset the driving force in the individual's being and so devolutionary effects or potentially harmful waves of vibration generated by bad karma can be nullified to a great extent and the person's evolution based on positive instincts can continue largely unhindered.

On death, the disembodied force field of such a person maintains its stability and evolutionary urge.

This mechanism as described above explains why those person possessing these superior inborn qualities are in many ways immune to suffering despite indulging in certain bad karma of a serious nature. Nothing really bad happens to them during earthly life or in the disembodied state, as explained above.

The survival of the fittest is the natural law.

The weak and inefficient, no matter how virtuous they may be, have no place in the world and suffer a lot during their earthly existence and the same suffering follows them in the disembodied state since their force fields are weak, unbalanced and easily subject to suffering.

This is the logical conclusion one reaches based on close observation of people which of course is directly perceived through the yogic consciousness.

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#65640 Jan 11, 2014
It 5:33 am, here. Going out for a jog. Later.
JOEL

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#65641 Jan 11, 2014
There's nothing like divine retribution.

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#65642 Jan 11, 2014
Adverse karma can be nullified to a large extent by the application of a potent will (on the subconscious) that's supported by a resilient mental, emotional and physical basis. This ensures the stability and further evolution of the driving force organizing the individual's being.

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#65643 Jan 11, 2014
Divine intervention is a myth.

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#65644 Jan 11, 2014
At the most, an individual sorcerer may harm a person out of revenge or due to egoism.

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#65645 Jan 11, 2014
YOU ARE THE ARCHITECT OF YOUR DESTINY:

1) You are an individualized formation of the universe energies and so you are responsible for charting out your own life based on heredity, application of will and karma.

2) If you happen to closely tune in to the energy formations of other persons or of external nature or of the higher frequencies of the universal consciousness-energy field then the manner these impact your driving force will depend on your aspiration, receptivity, assimilation, retention and adaptability to these invasions.

3) Best is to largely stay within your own force field (provided it is strong enough to sustain your progress and if it has the capacity to keep sufferings at bay), to cultivate a strong will supported by resilient mental, emotional and physical capacities and to aspire only for those force formations that bring greater strength, greater progress and greater stability in your being that add to the capacity of your driving force. As far as possible, avoid disturbing vibrations or disturbing force formations outside of you.

Bye.

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#65646 Jan 11, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Human thoughts, words and deeds sink into the subconscious from where they add to or subtracts from the evolution of the individual's consciousness.
However, if the human will is potent and if the individual's mind, emotions and body are resilient and tuned in to the powerful will then even adverse karma do not upset the driving force in the individual's being and so devolutionary effects or potentially harmful waves of vibration generated by bad karma can be nullified to a great extent and the person's evolution based on positive instincts can continue largely unhindered.
On death, the disembodied force field of such a person maintains its stability and evolutionary urge.
This mechanism as described above explains why those person possessing these superior inborn qualities are in many ways immune to suffering despite indulging in certain bad karma of a serious nature. Nothing really bad happens to them during earthly life or in the disembodied state, as explained above.
The survival of the fittest is the natural law.
The weak and inefficient, no matter how virtuous they may be, have no place in the world and suffer a lot during their earthly existence and the same suffering follows them in the disembodied state since their force fields are weak, unbalanced and easily subject to suffering.
This is the logical conclusion one reaches based on close observation of people which of course is directly perceived through the yogic consciousness.
I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine, that feeds among the lilies.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65647 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...
like I said, some have extended the Hebrew tradition (law) to the English. I dont, but some do. For the reasons in the above post. The same reasons as to the Hebrew tradition, just extended to apply to English too.
I think the whole nickname thing threw is off the track.

I should have focused on this from one of your earlier posts:

"However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better."

This explains the difference in treatment of the word, written vs spoken.

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#65650 Jan 11, 2014
I will be busy today.

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#65651 Jan 11, 2014
The only plus point of being virtuous is that people tend to like you and trust you, otherwise your being a good human being is not an advantage as it does not shield you from failure, disease and suffering. Success, staying disease free and being immune to suffering arise from superior capacities of mind, emotions and body related to the same and are in no way directly related to the instinct of being good or virtuous.

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#65652 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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All I can say to that is that this hasnt been my experience.
Has it been your experience? I.E. Have you been directly involved in science at some time in your career path? and if you havent, why would posit this? It seems to me a tad cynical.
Sorry for the late reply, I flew back to Sing just in time for Shabbat. Lucky me.

"Have I been directly involved in science in some time in my career path?" I supposed that depends on what type of science to which you're referring. I have always worked in the technology field and I'm currently back in academia finishing a degree in nursing.

My clinical work is at a teaching/research hospital but my most direct involvement in the research process was sleeping with grad students back in the day (My! They love to kvetch about their work).

However, I do read fairly widely (particularly if you include comics) and there is plenty of documented evidence concerning research bias, in all parts of the process, out there to look for. In general, I can refer you to a Wiki article on funding bias ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias ) as a type of experimenter's bias. The reference links are pretty interesting.

Specific to climate change, there is a fairly interesting account of one man's fight with the National Science Foundation (tax payer funded) concerning their pretty extensive bias concerning climate change research ( http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/03... )

To follow up, you can read a Washington Times article concerning government research bias ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/... )

This list is no where near exhaustive and if you remain unconvinced of the possibility of systemic bias on the part of those in control of billions of dollars of research funding then I invite you to look into it on your own.

I fully appreciate that your specific experience might not contain such examples, but far from being cynical to believe it exists (consider the large amount of prima facie evidence out there) I would suggest to not believe bias exists across the entire range of the research process (from funding to publication) is being astoundingly naive.

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#65653 Jan 12, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry for the late reply, I flew back to Sing just in time for Shabbat. Lucky me.
"Have I been directly involved in science in some time in my career path?" I supposed that depends on what type of science to which you're referring. I have always worked in the technology field and I'm currently back in academia finishing a degree in nursing.
My clinical work is at a teaching/research hospital but my most direct involvement in the research process was sleeping with grad students back in the day (My! They love to kvetch about their work).
However, I do read fairly widely (particularly if you include comics) and there is plenty of documented evidence concerning research bias, in all parts of the process, out there to look for. In general, I can refer you to a Wiki article on funding bias ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias ) as a type of experimenter's bias. The reference links are pretty interesting.
Specific to climate change, there is a fairly interesting account of one man's fight with the National Science Foundation (tax payer funded) concerning their pretty extensive bias concerning climate change research ( http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/03... )
To follow up, you can read a Washington Times article concerning government research bias ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/... )
This list is no where near exhaustive and if you remain unconvinced of the possibility of systemic bias on the part of those in control of billions of dollars of research funding then I invite you to look into it on your own.
I fully appreciate that your specific experience might not contain such examples, but far from being cynical to believe it exists (consider the large amount of prima facie evidence out there) I would suggest to not believe bias exists across the entire range of the research process (from funding to publication) is being astoundingly naive.
Ok - thanks for sharing your background

a few observations

1. Wiki article - theoreticallly sound, but no where does it cite climate change as an example of funding bias. It does provide other examples - primarliy from the medical field, including the notorious cases from the Tobacco industry

2. Pielke article - argues for funding bias, but in the OPPOSITE direction that you are arguing. To quote from his Homepage

#5 "In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate forcings on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change..."

3. Washington times article - by a Cato institute researcher - a conservative think tank - hardly an objective voice - to quote wiki on the author: "...A self-described skeptic on the issue of global warming...". and goes on to report on his pedigree, which firmly puts him into a camp.

I never said that bias didnt exist - I just dont think,. with all the checks and balances that it has that big of an influence. It hasnt been my experience. Historically (in the past) the biggest issue is the lack of market (in the journals) for negative results, but in the explosion of the info age, this issue has retreated considerably as there are a plethora of electronic journals available who will publish negative results.

I think Pielke did an excellent job in his site framing the issue objectively, explaining the ramifications of theoretical bias. The nuances. I note he did have to state that global warming and climate change is not synonymous. DUH. But he is writing to lay people, so he had to say this.

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#65654 Jan 12, 2014
Rick,

Ok - thanks for sharing your background

a few observations

1. Wiki article - theoreticallly sound, but no where does it cite climate change as an example of funding bias. It does provide other examples - primarliy from the medical field, including the notorious cases from the Tobacco industry

2. Pielke article - argues for funding bias, but in the OPPOSITE direction that you are arguing. To quote from his Homepage

#5 "In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate forcings on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change..."

3. Washington times article - by a Cato institute researcher - a conservative think tank - hardly an objective voice - to quote wiki on the author: "...A self-described skeptic on the issue of global warming...". and goes on to report on his pedigree, which firmly puts him into a camp.

I never said that bias didnt exist - I just dont think,. with all the checks and balances that it has that big of an influence. It hasnt been my experience. Historically (in the past) the biggest issue is the lack of market (in the journals) for negative results, but in the explosion of the info age, this issue has retreated considerably as there are a plethora of electronic journals available who will publish negative results.

I think Pielke did an excellent job in his site framing the issue objectively, explaining the ramifications of theoretical bias. The nuances. I note he did have to state that global warming and climate change is not synonymous. DUH. But he is writing to lay people, so he had to say this.

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#65655 Jan 12, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the whole nickname thing threw is off the track.
I should have focused on this from one of your earlier posts:
"However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better."
This explains the difference in treatment of the word, written vs spoken.
Cool - success!!

now for part 2, do you also get the (minor) point about why I write usually God, and other Jews write G-d?

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#65656 Jan 12, 2014
I see I double posted. Sorry.

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