Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65623 Jan 10, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt, mainly to be polite, but it is evident to me that you are more a crank than someone sincerely interested in the issues.
There are nonprofits here that do not shy away from sueing the state routinely. Fact.
Blumenthal was acting as an attorney. His actions should be understood in that context. He is not "illegal". That is the stuff of cranks and conspiracy theorists.
What do the feds have to do with this? Contamination of the level you are discussing is regulated on the state level. As you acknowledged earlier.
rabbee: shouldn't that be that contamination, is regulated on a federal level. but the state may set, a more strict level? all msds, are of federal standards.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65624 Jan 10, 2014
former res wrote:
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If God is only a nickname, then why can't it be spelled out in writing but it's ok to speak it?
That is, what do you suppose the people on here would answer to that....?
rabbee: the oral, and the written law have different purposes. in written law, the vowels are left out to not indicate past, present, and future tense. when one, is speaking they generally are doing so to reflect as specific past, present, or future point. another point is to not ever allow the written, word of G-D be destroyed or altered. since there is the command, against that. plus lots of other reasoning, that are in alignment with commands of G-D. like not to forget, G-D in your life.
Abolish The Fed

Baltimore, MD

#65625 Jan 10, 2014
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>..........the crook blumenthal was given a suit to clean up the 24 sites by the then DEP. He had it illegally dismissed. Every non-profit wants to get in front of a parade of a few hundred people so they look good, then the case work is usually all done. This is corruption to the federal level.
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#65626 Jan 10, 2014
Hugh,

You're not as clever as you think you are.

And, don't twist my words on sin, sinner and law out of context.

I'll reply to your post, later.

Going shopping.

Bye, Monny.

(winks)

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#65627 Jan 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Former res----If God is only a NICKNAME, then why can't it be spelled out in writing but it's ok to speak it?
Frijoles--- The nicknames CAN be spelled, and they CAN be spoken.
HughBe--- So why write G-d and not God?
To make the distinction (given matthew 28:17-19 where jesus is revered as a god)
And some say it's a messianic custom, kind of acknowledging Ha-Shem and not jesus as god. Though i never got to understand the ratio behind that custom. Given that christians in general borrow verses willy-nilly to substantiate the gospel.
A form of respect. But that would in christian terms also be served by using the term 'father'.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65628 Jan 11, 2014
MAAT wrote:
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To make the distinction (given matthew 28:17-19 where jesus is revered as a god)
And some say it's a messianic custom, kind of acknowledging Ha-Shem and not jesus as god. Though i never got to understand the ratio behind that custom. Given that christians in general borrow verses willy-nilly to substantiate the gospel.
A form of respect. But that would in christian terms also be served by using the term 'father'.
"So why write G-d and not God?"

I answered that question already, I think FR missed the post, and Hughe, in usual fashion is oblivious even if I did answer it.

There is no traditional (i.e. halachic) prohibition against writing God. The custom of writing it as a G-d instead of God is a modern custom. The traditional view is that you can write God because God is not the name of "God" - i.e. its an English, not a Hebrew term.

However, some Jews follow the modern custom as if it is a traditional prohibition anyway.

I believe the rationale in that case is the same "as if" God was the name of God (i.e they are extending the Hebrew concept to English), and that if you spell it out and it becomes discarded on paper, it is the same as desecration (which is the primary reason why you dont spell it out in Hebrew). Therefore, to be safe, those Jews dont take the risk of writing it. Speaking the English word God is not desecration (i,e, no act of destructing the name) so it doesnt matter if you speak it.

That said, it is usually not my "modern" custom to write God, I follow the tradition which does not apply to the English for the above reasons. However, there are Jews here that do follow the modern custom. Its an individual choice, I guess, whether you extend the traditional prohibition to include the English word and make it a modern custom as well.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#65629 Jan 11, 2014
correction

That said, it is usually not my "modern" custom to write it as G-d,
usually I prefer to write it as God.(unless I am communicating directly to someone who I know uses the form G-d, and then I might write G-d out of respect of their beliefs).
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65630 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I give up!
But I will try again. The nicknames CAN be spelled, and they CAN be spoken.
Pretend your name is Joe. I cant say or spell Joe. But I can call you Leroy. And I can spell out Leroy. Leroy is my term of endearment for Joe (i.e. my nickname for Joe).
It does appear we're going in circles....so here goes again anyway:

1. We agree that God is a nickname.
2. We agree that it CAN be spelled and/or spoken.

My original question remains (and perhaps you cannot answer it, which I would gladly accept):

Several posters on this forum choose to NOT spell out the word God - they write G-d.
Why? I'm certain they speak the word on a regular basis.
This strikes me as inconsistent. Why "encrypt" one and not the other?

You've clearly indicated there is no rule such as this in the scripture/rulebook (as applies to nicknames for the deity). Correct?

I hope at the very least this clears up my question.....

(What do you think the Jamaican is up to on his Sabbath?)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65631 Jan 11, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- I love being GAY and I would NEVER change my nationality.
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At least we have this out in the open !!

While you may enjoy and celebrate your own gayness, you do not tolerate it in others.

You also deny the spoken language of your own people.

You wrote "mon" on this forum, yet you deny it is said by your fellow Jamaicans.

This makes no sense.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65632 Jan 11, 2014
former res wrote:
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It does appear we're going in circles....so here goes again anyway:
1. We agree that God is a nickname.
2. We agree that it CAN be spelled and/or spoken.
My original question remains (and perhaps you cannot answer it, which I would gladly accept):
Several posters on this forum choose to NOT spell out the word God - they write G-d.
Why? I'm certain they speak the word on a regular basis.
This strikes me as inconsistent. Why "encrypt" one and not the other?
You've clearly indicated there is no rule such as this in the scripture/rulebook (as applies to nicknames for the deity). Correct?
I hope at the very least this clears up my question.....
(What do you think the Jamaican is up to on his Sabbath?)
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...

like I said, some have extended the Hebrew tradition (law) to the English. I dont, but some do. For the reasons in the above post. The same reasons as to the Hebrew tradition, just extended to apply to English too.

Since: Jan 14

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#65634 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH,

Since you're so hooked on the words "sin", "sinners" and "divine retribution" (whatever these meaningless terms may mean to you), kindly answer the following question.

QUESTION:

Why is it that nothing visibly bad happens to big-time criminals like corrupt politicians, autocratic kings, religious figureheads preaching intolerance and hatred, blood and scam billionaires, terrorist masterminds, intel chiefs, drug lords, human traffickers, human sacrificers and other perverts?

Since: Jan 14

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#65635 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH,

Why is it that the poor people suffer the most during natural calamities, wars, economic crash, riots and epidemics?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65636 Jan 11, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
HUGH,
Since you're so hooked on the words "sin", "sinners" and "divine retribution" (whatever these meaningless terms may mean to you), kindly answer the following question.
QUESTION:
Why is it that nothing visibly bad happens to big-time criminals like corrupt politicians, autocratic kings, religious figureheads preaching intolerance and hatred, blood and scam billionaires, terrorist masterminds, intel chiefs, drug lords, human traffickers, human sacrificers and other perverts?
What profit hath man of all his labour wherein he laboureth under the sun?

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#65637 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH,

In most religious scriptures poverty is glorified while harsh criticism is heaped on the accumulation of great wealth and the leading of a lavish lifestyle - why is this so?

Is it a "sin" to be rich and to spend lavishly on material comforts?

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#65638 Jan 11, 2014
HUGH:

Shouldn't this creature called G-d be wisely governing his creation that he supposedly created from nothing and so why isn't there "divine intervention" in world affairs that are so unjust, violent, cruel, manipulative, damaging to the ecosystem and harmful to the poor sections of the population who constitute the vast majority of people in the world?

Since: Jan 14

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#65639 Jan 11, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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What profit hath man of all his labour wherein he laboureth under the sun?
Human thoughts, words and deeds sink into the subconscious from where they add to or subtracts from the evolution of the individual's consciousness.

However, if the human will is potent and if the individual's mind, emotions and body are resilient and tuned in to the powerful will then even adverse karma do not upset the driving force in the individual's being and so devolutionary effects or potentially harmful waves of vibration generated by bad karma can be nullified to a great extent and the person's evolution based on positive instincts can continue largely unhindered.

On death, the disembodied force field of such a person maintains its stability and evolutionary urge.

This mechanism as described above explains why those person possessing these superior inborn qualities are in many ways immune to suffering despite indulging in certain bad karma of a serious nature. Nothing really bad happens to them during earthly life or in the disembodied state, as explained above.

The survival of the fittest is the natural law.

The weak and inefficient, no matter how virtuous they may be, have no place in the world and suffer a lot during their earthly existence and the same suffering follows them in the disembodied state since their force fields are weak, unbalanced and easily subject to suffering.

This is the logical conclusion one reaches based on close observation of people which of course is directly perceived through the yogic consciousness.

Since: Jan 14

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#65640 Jan 11, 2014
It 5:33 am, here. Going out for a jog. Later.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#65641 Jan 11, 2014
There's nothing like divine retribution.

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#65642 Jan 11, 2014
Adverse karma can be nullified to a large extent by the application of a potent will (on the subconscious) that's supported by a resilient mental, emotional and physical basis. This ensures the stability and further evolution of the driving force organizing the individual's being.

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#65643 Jan 11, 2014
Divine intervention is a myth.

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