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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#65496 Jan 9, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: i got an F for proving, a science teacher wrong. he said, "it could not be done". and he wouldn't even let me perform the experiment for him. on the excuse, fluorine gas was too dangerous. even though, i had already done it. as it turns out, years later they did prove you can combine fluorine, with a noble gas. and verified my calculations, on it's instability. so i am cynical of science teachers, and scientists. it does not hurt to have some cynicism, even about your own work. true science begins with, questioning yourself first.
Absolutely. But that isnt the same type of cynicism being discussed, thats more indicative of independent critical thinking, IMO. What was being discussed was the imputation of motive and agency on an entire institutionalized process.

I am not saying it doesnt happen, but my limited direct experience in the matter is highly to the contrary. Plus from a theoretical standpoint of the enterprise, it makes no sense. The argument, as FR pointed out, seems conveniently consistent to a Fox News world view, where you pick your ideology first, and work on from there.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65497 Jan 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Vegan zombie wants grains! LOL.
I will tell my arugula to watch its back!

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65498 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely. But that isnt the same type of cynicism being discussed, thats more indicative of independent critical thinking, IMO. What was being discussed was the imputation of motive and agency on an entire institutionalized process.
I am not saying it doesnt happen, but my limited direct experience in the matter is highly to the contrary. Plus from a theoretical standpoint of the enterprise, it makes no sense. The argument, as FR pointed out, seems conveniently consistent to a Fox News world view, where you pick your ideology first, and work on from there.
rabbee: the department of health, education, and welfare, is an agency and institutionalized process. as i carried that cynicism from there through the rest of my scientific and technological career.

if the company wants you to prove x, and you keep proving y. then you are going to be replaced. because you not, on their cowboy x team. as a lot of advanced research, really does not qualify as research. you'll find this quite coming, where politicians think they are the scientists. there is a big difference, between discovery and dictating.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65499 Jan 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Vegan zombie wants grains! LOL.
rabbee: tired of eating, corpse plant?
CTM

Southbury, CT

#65500 Jan 9, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: the department of health, education, and welfare, is an agency and institutionalized process. as i carried that cynicism from there through the rest of my scientific and technological career.
if the company wants you to prove x, and you keep proving y. then you are going to be replaced. because you not, on their cowboy x team. as a lot of advanced research, really does not qualify as research. you'll find this quite coming, where politicians think they are the scientists. there is a big difference, between discovery and dictating.
..........Sounds like Stamford,Ct. water tests being a good example here of picking what one wants to prove is true and then staging the tests to prove it. From the North Stamford cancer wells the town wanted to prove that long-ago pesticide tests were the cause of the cancer. They then appropriated 1/4 million $$ for tests and dictated what was to be tested for. It was only certain chemicals and NOT the chemicals causing the cancer, so then they could say "There was none found." Currently the state health lab has changed the detect levels for drinking water tests. That means the test will not show poisons or any contaminants under the level they start to test for. This level is very high and apparently the detect level is much higher than the action level. This is done to claim "None was found" while you are getting poisoned by the illegal landfills blumenthal and mckinney are helping to hide.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65501 Jan 9, 2014
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>..........Sounds like Stamford,Ct. water tests being a good example here of picking what one wants to prove is true and then staging the tests to prove it. From the North Stamford cancer wells the town wanted to prove that long-ago pesticide tests were the cause of the cancer. They then appropriated 1/4 million $$ for tests and dictated what was to be tested for. It was only certain chemicals and NOT the chemicals causing the cancer, so then they could say "There was none found." Currently the state health lab has changed the detect levels for drinking water tests. That means the test will not show poisons or any contaminants under the level they start to test for. This level is very high and apparently the detect level is much higher than the action level. This is done to claim "None was found" while you are getting poisoned by the illegal landfills blumenthal and mckinney are helping to hide.
Thats a bit off topic from the subject of grants for published science. What you are talking about is consulting, which is a whole other can of worms. Those "studies" are not peer reviewed or published in journals - they are tailored to regulatory authorities and the general public to put the client in the most favorable light.

As of N Stamford, the problem IS pesticides, but, as we found out in LI last decade, cancer clusters are not so easy to explain when subject to statistical analyses. The lesson learned from N stamford was not that the town was contaminated (we all knew that) but that similar contamination is more common than we think statewide. I.E. what happened in the Town wasnt much different than what happened every else - just that noone thought to test everywhere else for the same contaminants.

I fail to see what Blumenthal has to do with any of this. I think you are overreaching a bit on that one.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#65502 Jan 9, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
as a lot of advanced research, really does not qualify as research. you'll find this quite coming, where politicians think they are the scientists. there is a big difference, between discovery and dictating.
I agree. What I was referring to was grant sponsored research, involving stat testing, subject to peer review, and published in a credible professional journal. Not "applied" research as you are alluding to.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65504 Jan 9, 2014
"The LAW(Israeli) made MISSIONARIES liable to FIVE years’ IMPRISONMENT for ATTEMPTING to persuade people to change their religion, and THREE years’ IMPRISONMENT for any JEW who CONVERTED."

"Bae, a Korean-American Christian MISSIONARY and tour operator based in China, has been detained for more than a year. North Korea sees missionary work as a THREAT to its authoritarian government."
CTM

Southbury, CT

#65505 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats a bit off topic from the subject of grants for published science. What you are talking about is consulting, which is a whole other can of worms. Those "studies" are not peer reviewed or published in journals - they are tailored to regulatory authorities and the general public to put the client in the most favorable light.
As of N Stamford, the problem IS pesticides, but, as we found out in LI last decade, cancer clusters are not so easy to explain when subject to statistical analyses. The lesson learned from N stamford was not that the town was contaminated (we all knew that) but that similar contamination is more common than we think statewide. I.E. what happened in the Town wasnt much different than what happened every else - just that noone thought to test everywhere else for the same contaminants.
I fail to see what Blumenthal has to do with any of this. I think you are overreaching a bit on that one.
..........When blumenthal first took office he touted himself as the "Environmental A.G." He lied big time. The suit he was given that had many years of work done by the courts including several Judges Decisions, ended up being transferred to another court and then he pulled not onlt that suit but a lot of other ones for the dumpers. He let them get away clean. One of the 24 sites on just that one suit is in newtown at 48 Birch Hill Rd. The town changed the owners name and the street address to hide the fact that about 15,000 cubic yards of demolition debris, radio-active medical waste and asbestos is buried there. They just sold the house at auction for taxes and someone is renovating it for sale or rental. The state and town show water tests, drinking water tests, to show no detect on lead and God knows what else.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#65506 Jan 9, 2014
(wink wink whistles)

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65507 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. What I was referring to was grant sponsored research, involving stat testing, subject to peer review, and published in a credible professional journal. Not "applied" research as you are alluding to.
rabbee: almost all grant sponsored research, involves the advanced forefront of science and technology. universities, colleges, and national labs all receive grant currencies. even individuals, can apply for grants. and the bureaucracy and politicians, determine whether there is a peer review or not. they are in control of almost all the research currency in the united states. i do not care how good of an idea, someone has. if it is not for studying the sex life, of a butterfly you lose. you do not have a scientific panel, to determine where the grant money goes. personally i think, the bureaucracy and politicians should be removed from the process. there is a problem when you have non-scientists, telling scientists what is not important to them.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#65508 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats a bit off topic from the subject of grants for published science. What you are talking about is consulting, which is a whole other can of worms. Those "studies" are not peer reviewed or published in journals - they are tailored to regulatory authorities and the general public to put the client in the most favorable light.
As of N Stamford, the problem IS pesticides, but, as we found out in LI last decade, cancer clusters are not so easy to explain when subject to statistical analyses. The lesson learned from N stamford was not that the town was contaminated (we all knew that) but that similar contamination is more common than we think statewide. I.E. what happened in the Town wasnt much different than what happened every else - just that noone thought to test everywhere else for the same contaminants.
I fail to see what Blumenthal has to do with any of this. I think you are overreaching a bit on that one.
rabbee: yes i know about, the manipulation of data. even if you example is not precisely what is being discussed. the basic theme is the same, for research grants. it does happen, when the desired results are not what was observed. so the boundary line, is moved. they did this with mercury contaminated wheat, back in the 1960's with more immediate disastrous results.

but pesticides, are really nasty stuff. basically most are the precursor, to nerve gases. with them being just one or two elements, shy of being actual nerve gas.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65509 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>First, the tradition relates to how you write, not how you speak. Its not about what God thinks or doesnt think about you. Its about setting a tone within yourself when encountering the subject - Note when you call someone Mr Smith rather than Jim has a different effect on your personal attitude. Now, whether you WANT to develop an attitude of respect or worship is a different question - I suspect you do not, but to those people who are religious, its desired and part of the path.....
I do understand how it would set a different (more respectful) tone - but also wonder why it would apply to the written but not the spoken word.

Then again, the rules (custom) for the written word tend to be a bit more formal than for speaking.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65510 Jan 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
Corporation teeshirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
Man you been a naughty boy. You let your face grow long
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob
Cool! Great reference.
Max

Silver Spring, MD

#65511 Jan 9, 2014
Words and names mean little unless you stand up for Israel which is being demonized by the haters , terrorists and their vocal supporters.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65512 Jan 9, 2014
Max wrote:
Words and names mean little unless you stand up for Israel which is being demonized by the haters , terrorists and their vocal supporters.
List the haters e.g. by country, group or leading individuals. Also support your words "Israel which is being demonized "

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65513 Jan 9, 2014
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>..........When blumenthal first took office he touted himself as the "Environmental A.G." He lied big time. The suit he was given that had many years of work done by the courts including several Judges Decisions, ended up being transferred to another court and then he pulled not onlt that suit but a lot of other ones for the dumpers. He let them get away clean. One of the 24 sites on just that one suit is in newtown at 48 Birch Hill Rd. The town changed the owners name and the street address to hide the fact that about 15,000 cubic yards of demolition debris, radio-active medical waste and asbestos is buried there. They just sold the house at auction for taxes and someone is renovating it for sale or rental. The state and town show water tests, drinking water tests, to show no detect on lead and God knows what else.
I wouldnt know about such matters, however, it would seem that if you have concerns, there are a few environmental groups who have the ability and experience to sue the state - why dont you bring your concerns to them?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65514 Jan 9, 2014
former res wrote:
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I do understand how it would set a different (more respectful) tone - but also wonder why it would apply to the written but not the spoken word.
Then again, the rules (custom) for the written word tend to be a bit more formal than for speaking.
It does apply to the spoken word but not in the way the poster framed the question. God is an English term, and as such, not that relevant to an orthodox Jew. What matters are the Hebrew names, and there are a few dozen nicknames of God that vary from intimate to the formal (depending how for the moment what type of tone that you want to address "him"), however the actual name of God, the tetragrammaton, is considered too sacred to speak - plus noone knows how it is pronounced anyhow - we lost that info thousands of years ago.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

Furthermore, here is another perspective on writing Gods name: A more legal explanation (vs my more psychological explanation)

http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Writing the Name of God

Jews do not casually write any Name of God. This practice does not come from the commandment not to take the Lord's Name in vain, as many suppose. In Jewish thought, that commandment refers solely to oath-taking, and is a prohibition against swearing by God's Name falsely or frivolously (the word normally translated as "in vain" literally means "for falsehood").

Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better.

The commandment not to erase or deface the name of God comes from Deut. 12:3. In that passage, the people are commanded that when they take over the promised land, they should destroy all things related to the idolatrous religions of that region, and should utterly destroy the names of the local deities. Immediately afterwards, we are commanded not to do the same to our God. From this, the rabbis inferred that we are commanded not to destroy any holy thing, and not to erase or deface a Name of God.

It is worth noting that this prohibition against erasing or defacing Names of God applies only to Names that are written in some kind of permanent form. Orthodox rabbis have held that writing on a computer is not a permanent form, thus it is not a violation to type God's Name into a computer and then backspace over it or cut and paste it, or copy and delete files with God's Name in them. However, once you print the document out, it becomes a permanent form. That is why observant Jews avoid writing a Name of God online: because there is a risk that someone else will print it out and deface it.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65515 Jan 9, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool! Great reference.
All my life until a year or two ago I thought they were singing coo coo ca choo!

Not - goo goo go chub!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65516 Jan 9, 2014
Maxi, here is one of your HATERS of Israel.

Listen well to who he is from the very start of the video. Listen to words like ORTHODOX Jew and Zionist etc.

Listen to his friends etc.

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