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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Since: May 13

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#63240 Nov 22, 2013
DAVID -

This is the ancestor of the Messiah, the man whom the writers of the New Testament go to great lengths to attach Jesus to. But it seems that the reverse should be true... that they should go to great lengths to distance Jesus from the likes of King David. Jesus was no saint but was far better that this sick animal called David and Christians should feel slandered to have their "world messiah" connected to such a vile criminal.

Oh these filthy patriarchs and their demonic G-d from the Tanach.

LMFAO

Since: May 13

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#63242 Nov 22, 2013
Bye. Later.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63243 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Hugh, I'll make this easy for you. Tell me which of the following logical steps is not correct.
1. The Messiah prophesied by the bible must be a descendant of David
2. If the bible is to be believed, the ancestral link to David is through Joseph
3. Since Jesus was allegedly born of a virgin, he is not a blood relative of Joseph
4. Therefore, Jesus cannot be a descendent of David, and cannot be the Messiah
The only ways you can are resolve this are:
1. Jesus was not born of a virgin and is, in fact, the biological son of Joseph
or
2. You change the rules of heredity
or
3. The prophesy about Jesus was wrong
So, which is it?
Cunti---If the bible is to be believed, the ancestral link to David is through Joseph

HughBe--- That is certainly the only approach, if you lack understanding.
Voluntarist

United States

#63244 Nov 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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why is that a conspiracy?
Obviously in retrospect that was a bad idea, but it is obvious that stems more from bad training, poor judgement on behalf of the chain of command, and probably stupidity more than anything else.
At first you can say its bad training, but the order came from the commander.
When a pattern developes , its more than likely not just bad training and lets be real, natural reaction would be to run in there and you would think that these orders should be ignored based on the situation.

If this is what the government was hidding for a year there is probably more.
Conspiracy to cover up at the very least embarrassing facts.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63245 Nov 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
DEBUNKING COR THE RETARD ON THE MESSIAH ISSUE:
Hugh,
In an attempt to resolve this silly controversy that a braindead rat like COR is perpetuating for days, I'd like to know whether you consider JESUS the MESSIAH OF THE WHOLE WORLD or the MESSIAH OF ONLY THE JEWS?
1) If Jesus, in your view, was/is the MESSIAH OF THE WHOLE WORLD then it matters little whether Joseph, whose lineage goes back to the pervert David, was the biological father of Jesus or not. The WORLD MESSIAH can only be an incarnation of the DIVINE PRINCIPLE and not a descendant of a satanic Hebrew patriarch whose worldview is as polluted and narrow as sewer water.
OR
2) If you think that JESUS was/is the MESSIAH OF ONLY THE JEWS then obviously Jesus cannot be considered the Jewish messiah on grounds of lineage.
CONCLUSION:
I think Christians should support JESUS as the WORLD MESSIAH since then all this stupid controversy about him not being of the line of David automatically gets flung into the sewer where the David sits in shit.
Bye. Will be busy with Skyping for some time.
Joel---In an attempt to resolve this silly controversy that a braindead rat like COR is perpetuating for days, I'd like to know whether you consider JESUS the MESSIAH OF THE WHOLE WORLD or the MESSIAH OF ONLY THE JEWS?

HughBe--- Messiah of the WHOLE world.

Joel---If Jesus, in your view, was/is the MESSIAH OF THE WHOLE WORLD then it matters little whether Joseph, whose lineage goes back to the pervert David, was the biological father of Jesus or not.

Hugh---- It is because Jesus is the Messiah why Joseph could never have been his biological father.

Joel--- The WORLD MESSIAH can only be an incarnation of the DIVINE PRINCIPLE

Hugh---- That is Jesus.

Joel--- If you think that JESUS was/is the MESSIAH OF ONLY THE JEWS then obviously Jesus cannot be considered the Jewish messiah on grounds of lineage.

Hugh---- Only to those who lack the required understanding.

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Voluntarist

United States

#63246 Nov 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are an idiot
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...
"The head of the Newtown Police Union said that the order for first responders to wait before entering Sandy Hook Elementary School was directed toward ambulance personnel, not police officers.
Union president Scott Ruszczyk said it is "standard protocol not to send in unarmed people to a scene that is not secure.".."
What would you expect a union president to say, you are an idiot.
Move along nothing to see here, I call bullshit.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63247 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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And after you pray, I suggest you consult your church elders for the proper apologetics to this obviously glaring contradiction from the bible. Perhaps they can instruct you on how to explain something you are clearly incapable of doing on your own.
I have already been instructed, by God.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63248 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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In other words, you haven't got a clue how to explain it so you'll just continue to tap dance around it without even making an attempt - weak and lame.
Yes, I shall continue to "tap dance". Can you manage to answer a simple question that I have repeated many times?

I take that as a yes. Here goes.

Why are you so tormented on the matter?

You are incapable of understanding it, so in my mind you should continue rejecting my Jesus. I am CAPABLE of understanding it and so I shall keep and CLEAVE to my Jesus.

Since: Aug 11

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#63249 Nov 22, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Cunti---If the bible is to be believed, the ancestral link to David is through Joseph
HughBe--- That is certainly the only approach, if you lack understanding.
So enlighten me. What other approach would link Jesus to David? Are you linking him through Mary's geneology? Don't be vague about it in your attempt to dodge the question.

Since: Aug 11

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#63250 Nov 22, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I have already been instructed, by God.
I see. So God has instructed you to dodge the question. Thanks for clearing that up. I won't be bothering you any more.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63251 Nov 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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On account of the Demon they worshipped and due to the perversion in their own personalities, all the patriarchs were men of evil deeds - a case of birds of a feather flock together!
Do you think Moses was a spiritual person or a sorcerer with less brains and sadistic karma?
Do you think Abraham was good?
Do you think Jesus was sane and good?
BTW, can you list even 1 original and profound teaching of Abraham and Moses?
Hugh---- I am still waiting for an appropriate response to my request.

List the prophets that behaved like common crooks and give examples of their crookedness.

Joel---On account of the Demon they worshipped and due to the perversion in their own personalities, all the patriarchs were men of evil deeds - a case of birds of a feather flock together!

Hugh--- noted.

Joel---Do you think Moses was a spiritual person or a sorcerer with less brains and sadistic karma?

Hugh--- He was NOT neither a sorcerer nor a kabalist

Joel---Do you think Abraham was good?

Hugh--- Certainly.

Joel---Do you think Jesus was sane and good?

Hugh--- No, He was insane and evil.

Joel---BTW, can you list even 1 original and profound teaching of Abraham and Moses?

Hugh---- Deal with the outstanding matters first.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63252 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
So enlighten me. What other approach would link Jesus to David? Are you linking him through Mary's geneology? Don't be vague about it in your attempt to dodge the question.
Cunti---What other approach would link Jesus to David?

HughBe--- I thought that it would have been obvious but I was wrong. His link is via his pet dog.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63253 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. So God has instructed you to dodge the question. Thanks for clearing that up. I won't be bothering you any more.
You were not bothering me, you were just like a friendly tick.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63254 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. So God has instructed you to dodge the question. Thanks for clearing that up. I won't be bothering you any more.
Do you know what has become of "Former"?

Catch you later.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#63255 Nov 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Do you believe in this bullshit from the Hebrew Bible?
Aren't the teachings so perverted and nonspiritual?
Isn't the G-d of the Tanach evidently a Demon?
The God of Israel is misunderstood. The scriptures are very plain and clear and not meant to offend. The Lord is good. I'm sorry if you find idolatry offensive. It's one of many scriptures about Jesus and Christianity.
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#63256 Nov 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Judaism is a cult of the sewers.
Interesting, are you trying to tell to almost 2 billion Christians that they came from the sewers?? Asshole.
By the way it could be a beautiful compliment cause jews did have a sewer system even in biblical times while the rest of the world including your mama were swimming in shit. Most arab muslim countries still dont have a sewer system, but you knew that. Thats were you crawled out of.

Since: Aug 11

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#63257 Nov 22, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Do you know what has become of "Former"?
Catch you later.
He probably had enough of your childish antics. Though I do recall him being quite amused by it at times.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63259 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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He probably had enough of your childish antics. Though I do recall him being quite amused by it at times.
What a pity, I miss the "boy".
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63260 Nov 22, 2013
Uzi wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting, are you trying to tell to almost 2 billion Christians that they came from the sewers?? Asshole.
By the way it could be a beautiful compliment cause jews did have a sewer system even in biblical times while the rest of the world including your mama were swimming in shit. Most arab muslim countries still dont have a sewer system, but you knew that. Thats were you crawled out of.
Uzi---the rest of the world including your mama were swimming in shit

HughBe--- I am sure that Joel's Jewish mother appreciates the sentiments.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63262 Nov 22, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Hugh, I'll make this easy for you. Tell me which of the following logical steps is not correct.
1. The Messiah prophesied by the bible must be a descendant of David
2. If the bible is to be believed, the ancestral link to David is through Joseph
3. Since Jesus was allegedly born of a virgin, he is not a blood relative of Joseph
4. Therefore, Jesus cannot be a descendent of David, and cannot be the Messiah
The only ways you can are resolve this are:
1. Jesus was not born of a virgin and is, in fact, the biological son of Joseph
or
2. You change the rules of heredity
or
3. The prophesy about Jesus was wrong
So, which is it?
rabbee: no actually according to TheTorah, you all got it wrong. according to Only TheTorah, G-D ever gave to anyone. HaMosheeach has always been, TheSon of G-D called as Adam. always by some mysterious, virgin birth somehow. and if there is nobody here in TheTorah, when They arrive in One Flesh. G-D appears, to have Them as One put to death somehow. and are always returned as, adam and his mate separately.

and THEY are going to keep doing this, until there is somebody here in TheTorah to give GanEden to. G-D does not reward, talking critters who are never here in TheTorah. as you all claim to not be here, in Only TheTorah being given by G-D again. you are all evidence, of their being nobody here in TheTorah today. since your grandfather adam, is the only human being here in TheTorah today. all of you, are with the talking behemoth.

all of your other scriptures, are all written by fallible not here in TheTorah alleged as men. but i might add, they are all only as animals never here in TheTorah.

but according to their scriptures that Mereeam, is the name of Yeshooah Adam's surrogate mother who is a descendent of Daveed Melech. and since Yoseph is a descendant of Ahaz, cannot be Yeshooah Hoo VHee's (YHVH) biological father.

but no matter what, Adam is Hoo VHee(Redemption is He And She) is in THEIR OUR IMAGE, and LIKENESS of HaShem G-D. as all The True Names of G-D, reflect this HE/SHE UNITY in ONE G-D. so HaMosheeach, can never be anyone else but G-D'S Son Adam. because it says so in The Written Torah Scroll. and G-D has never lied about this here in always TheTorah in TheHappening.

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