Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

HughBe wrote:

Eric and Cunti, if ever we meet in a public space and in a public discussion ask the question. I shall answer you, I want you to expose my stupidity.
The promise is to you and to anyone else who wants to ask that question.

Hugh this is a public space and this is a public discussion. What type of privacy do you witness here?

All we are getting is BS. Let's see the cross validation of your statements using Jesus.

Eric wrote:

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Hugh this is a public space and this is a public discussion. What type of privacy do you witness here?
All we are getting is BS. Let's see the cross validation of your statements using Jesus.

I see that you are not understanding as usual. Face-to-Face is the point.

Cult of Reason wrote:

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We're in a public forum. Answer if you can, don't if you can't.

I can but I won't.

Why are you so tormented?

Can you not realize that in my mind I am comfortable?

Eric wrote:

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Hugh this is a public space and this is a public discussion. What type of privacy do you witness here?
All we are getting is BS. Let's see the cross validation of your statements using Jesus.

You need to come to grips with the following words: principle, concept, laws and facts.

Rick Moss wrote:

Oh, I definitely believe he's bi-polar. His symptomatic mood swings are pretty close together indicating a lot of stress (poor diet, irregular sleep patterns). I can only speculate what kind of care he currently receives to function on a daily basis. Based on his apparent freedom to access the Internet, I'm thinking an assisted-living facility of some sort.
It's hard to say, a lot of bipolar patients are high functioning on their own and can maintain an air of normality for short periods of time in public. Perhaps we see a lot more of his episodes here because of the Internet's relative anonymity.
I thought is was cute that he used the word, "susu" because that is what my Mum used to say to my daughter when she was potty training, "Did you make susu?" Takes me back.

Hmm, I always used the word "urinate" when talking to my son. Perhaps that is the reason that he scored so much higher than his peers in the standardized testing for vocabulary...

Frijoles wrote:

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I dont recollect anywhere in Jewish tradition, past or present, where people worship Moses. We did have a little problem with a calf, however.

What? You don't watch South Park?

HughBe wrote:

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I can but I won't.
Why are you so tormented?
Can you not realize that in my mind I am comfortable?

Cognitive dissonance is no way to go through life. I didn't ask you if you were comfortable. I asked you how you avoid the discrepancy of logic regarding Jesus' genealogy.

Unless, of course, you are tacitly acknowledging the discrepancy and admiring that you are okay with that. Is that what you're doing?

Eric wrote:

<quoted text>Absolutely not. The same rules apply to Jesus being a Jew as apply to you being a Jew. You say that you aren't a Jew because your father wasn't a Jew. Therefore, Jesus as described in the New Testament was not a Jew because his father, as set forth in the New Testament, is not a Jew.
Consistency, Hugh, consistency.
Jesus was a Jew because his mother was a Jew.

Jesus was a Jew because of his birth AND because of his religious practices.

Admitting (not admiring)

Liam R wrote:

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Jesus was a Jew because of his birth AND because of his religious practices.

Yes, but not by Hugh's rules.

Hugh says that one has to be a biological Jew through one's father. Therefore, Jesus cannot rely upon Mary to be a Jew, because Mary is his mother. He can't rely on Joseph to be a Jew, because Joseph is not his biological father. If one accepts the New Testament, Jesus' father is not a Jew. Therefore, Jesus can't be a Jew according to Hugh. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hugh. He has decided not to apply his own rules to Jesus.

Jesus is dead and gone. Forget him. Neither does his genealogy nor does his father, YHVH, nor do his teachings count. Move to higher heights where a monster like YHVH and a lunatic like Jesus are not present.

HughBe wrote:

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In OUR lifetime and I shall repeat it in OUR lifetime the rabbis have taught HATE. I am not going back to 4000 years ago to a time when the human family was not as "civilized" and condemn anyone of those era.

G-d, prophets, Rabbis, maulvis, pandits, pastors and politicians have always taught hate in large measures.

So, why single out a certain section of rabbis for criticism?

HughBe wrote:

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One has to look at the context of the prophets and their aims. The principle applies to ALL other people of those periods.

So, can you call such cult leaders (prophets) enlightened if they behaved like common crooks and barbarians of their time and besides where is originality, depth and sublimity in their teachings?

Frijoles wrote:

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Now would be a good time to insert your blather about Christian Jews, a notion that is offensive to actual Jews.

rabbee: jews who have been hated, by by just about everyone including G-D. should be a little more sensitive, about who they hate. did you ever consider, that the jews who have been so obnoxious to G-D. might be getting their just obnoxious deserves, as commanded by G-D. you do realize of course, the only thing we can change is our own mental free will. since what physically happens as a result of that, is commanded by G-D here in TheTorah. when our bad attitude against G-D, is our own worst enemy here in TheTorah.

Frijoles wrote:

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Stop denying my identity you meanie

rabbee: why should not you, who deny the identity of messianic jews have your identity denied? two liars arguing with each other, shall still deny the real truth. the jews only have themselves to blame, for lying to the world of liars. lying only makes, your situation worse. you have all failed, to tell the truth of G-D is still here in TheTorah. how can adam and his mate, be here again? unless TheOne G-D Adam, has already been put to death. because there was no one, here in TheTorah when They arrived as The One. and nobody has told the truth, about it since then either.

Cult of Reason wrote:

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You're still tap dancing and avoiding a most inconvenient truth. How do you reconcile Jesus' genealogy if Joseph wasn't his biological father.

rabbee: well if what G-D, came and said about Him is true. then you got it backwards, that all of you are in Their genealogy. since even Merreeam, is only said to be a surrogate Mother of Adam.

which can be very confusing at first, when G-D only called Them Adam. and the world is taking about, somebody they call jesus. and after reading, historical and hearing other testimony. They were the only One here in TheTorah 2000 years ago. and what possible motive, can jews have for their not being here in TheTorah since then?

can anyone who is not here, in TheTorah today from HaShem G-D - ever be trusted? if you are going to lie about this, then there is no limit to the lies you are all willing to tell to keep your delusion safe.

Cult of Reason wrote:

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But you can very easily clear this up for us. You just need to explain Jesus' genealogy in light of the fact that Joseph was not his biological father. Surely this task should be straight forward for such an intelligent and honest person such as yourself.

rabbee: well since as reported, that G-D is BOTH His MOTHER/FATHER. there is only one person in The-Whole Torah, that matches this description. and that is only, HaMosheeach Adam. virgin birth somehow, PARENTS Are G-D somehow. is put to death by G-D somehow, and is returned as adam and his mate somehow. i would say that should be, pretty convincing argument enough. but even with these kind of facts, i should not expect liars to not protect their delusion.

Frijoles wrote:

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Every atheist I have met is is clear about boundaries. They might not buy into the Jewish belief, but (usually) they dont deny the existence of the group internally. You do.

rabbee: well jews do not believe in, TheG-D of Only TheTorah here in IT anyway. i fail to see, how they are any different than any other atheist. i see no difference between, joel and judaism with your not here in TheTorah today. joel is just a good of a jew, rejecting G-D here in TheTorah as all you jews are.

JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:

If I turn to Jesus or to any of the prophets, I will get stuck in a morass since they have nothing profound or original to offer.

rabbee: well i think your lying head, is already stuck up your own morass.

JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:

I know much more than the scriptures and prophets and their God. Inferior entities.

rabbee: yes we know joel, you are a religion of one as the only member also. and that you have, incompetent leader and follower. cause all your lies, are religiously more special to you than anyone else's.