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Nov 20, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
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You were not reared on the concept of TRUTH and to this day it is foreign to you.
Stop denying my identity you meanie
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Frijoles wrote:
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Now would be a good time to insert your blather about Christian Jews, a notion that is offensive to actual Jews.
It certainly is NOT offensive to Jews who are Christians.

Does the concept offend atheists Jews?

Tell me the BIOLOGICAL changes that occur in Jews who embrace Christianity and who reject the LIES of your rabbis.

How do these Jews lose their ancestry because of a change in RELIGIOUS beliefs? Use TRUTH and science to explain it.
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#63104
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In other words, you choose to DODGE the question in a very big way.
Not that you have a choice, really.
I don't want to be distracted by the deception of Eric. I stand by my original point. Tell me what it is.
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#63105
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Frijoles wrote:
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Stop denying my identity you meanie
I have NEVER denied that you are a LIAR.

I have NEVER denied that you are a Jew.

I have NEVER denied that you lack class and honesty.

Now OF.
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HughBe wrote:
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...this is so because I have the capacity to understand things that neither you nor Eric can understand.
And his doody doesn't stink either
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I don't want to be distracted by the deception of Eric. I stand by my original point. Tell me what it is.
Your original point is that you want to dodge applying your original point to another example--Jesus as described in the New Testament.
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Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Your original point is that you want to dodge applying your original point to another example--Jesus as described in the New Testament.
FOCUS on my ORIGINAL point. Don't you worry about my Jesus. I understand the application to Jesus. I shall not be telling you as you shall not understand it. Go get more foolish instructions from your rabbis that is what makes sense to you.

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Eric---You have told us that although you are not a Jew, you have Jewish ancestors and relatives.

HughBe--- So what, it is a fact.

Eric--- How did you do it?

HughBe--- I did nothing. Here is how it went. My Jewish grandfather saw my sexy non-Jewish grandmother and knew her. As a result my mother was born. Now had you the intelligence to call my mother Jewish I would have accepted it because she is the seed of a MAN who is a Jew.

As for me, I am no Jew as my father was not one.

I am the son of a Jewish woman but my father was not Jewish and so I am NOT Jewish. Compare my words to the example in the Tanach.

I know that you neither believe Moses nor God but I shall still quote the Torah.

"Now the SON of an Israelite MOTHER and an Egyptian FATHER went out AMONG the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between HIM and AN Israelite." Leviticus 24:10

Clear his MOTHER did NOT make him an Israelite. My mother cannot make me a Jew.

Finally, your father is a Jew and so both you and your brother are Jews and nothing can change that, not even your love of LIES and stupidity. Your brother could worship an ANT, he shall always be a Jew.
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HughBe wrote:
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FOCUS on my ORIGINAL point. Don't you worry about my Jesus. I understand the application to Jesus. I shall not be telling you as you shall not understand it. Go get more foolish instructions from your rabbis that is what makes sense to you.
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Eric---You have told us that although you are not a Jew, you have Jewish ancestors and relatives.
HughBe--- So what, it is a fact.
Eric--- How did you do it?
HughBe--- I did nothing. Here is how it went. My Jewish grandfather saw my sexy non-Jewish grandmother and knew her. As a result my mother was born. Now had you the intelligence to call my mother Jewish I would have accepted it because she is the seed of a MAN who is a Jew.
As for me, I am no Jew as my father was not one.
I am the son of a Jewish woman but my father was not Jewish and so I am NOT Jewish. Compare my words to the example in the Tanach.
I know that you neither believe Moses nor God but I shall still quote the Torah.
"Now the SON of an Israelite MOTHER and an Egyptian FATHER went out AMONG the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between HIM and AN Israelite." Leviticus 24:10
Clear his MOTHER did NOT make him an Israelite. My mother cannot make me a Jew.
Finally, your father is a Jew and so both you and your brother are Jews and nothing can change that, not even your love of LIES and stupidity. Your brother could worship an ANT, he shall always be a Jew.
Accepting the above as true for the sake of argument, apply it to Jesus as described in the New Testament. The way to prove a statement is to see if it is true across the board (cross validation). Remember, again for the sake of argument, that you have said that being a Jew is a question of biology. So explain biologically how Jesus is a Jew using your test.

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It is only valid in the minds of those who look to sideshows rather than the main event. Can you tell me the main event?
Eric introduced Jesus into my equation and he did this to confuse himself and people like you.
I am comfortable with Jesus and this is so because I have the capacity to understand things that neither you nor Eric can understand.
You're still tap dancing and avoiding a most inconvenient truth. How do you reconcile Jesus' genealogy if Joseph wasn't his biological father.

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HughBe wrote:
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I don't want to be distracted by the deception of Eric. I stand by my original point. Tell me what it is.
But you can very easily clear this up for us. You just need to explain Jesus' genealogy in light of the fact that Joseph was not his biological father. Surely this task should be straight forward for such an intelligent and honest person such as yourself.

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Virgin birth is a myth. There are countless stories in various cultures that talk of famous personalities being born to virgins. It's pure myth and an attempt to create a larger than life personality.

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WAS JESUS CONCEIVED DURING A SATANIC CEREMONY?

There exist several possibilities regarding Jesus' conception.

Here they are:

1) Jesus was sired by a Roman soldier or by the man who had sexual intercourse with Mary.

2) Or perhaps, Mary was raped by a relative or by a neighbor and as a result became pregnant.

3) It's also a distinct possibility that Jesus was sired by a priest or a rabbi during a Satanic ceremony involving ritual sex and blood offering when El, the blood thirsty deity of the Babylonians who was worshipped as G-d by the Jews, was invoked in the womb of Mary. This could be the reason Jesus showed occult powers from a young age and considered himself an incarnation of El and this also accounts for Jesus' savage teachings based on division, destruction of family values, abuses, curses, threats, tribalism, fanaticism, anti-peace rhetoric, calls for murder of his opponents, killing a fig tree and the like.

4) Judaism has a long account of pure sorcery as seen in its chosen Babylonian deity (El or YHVH), the blood rituals, the barbaric behavior of its patriarchs, the burnt offerings of animal flesh, the cannibalism, the mass murders, the rapes, the infanticides, the incest and the rampant cruelty that comes naturally to possessed human beings.

5) Joseph wanted to end the marriage on discovering that his newly wed wife, Mary, was pregnant but was convinced by some powerful people to maintain it and so a story was cooked up of how Mary's pregnancy was a case of a virgin conceiving by the power of a spirit.

6) The most plausible explanation regarding the conception of Jesus in Mary's womb given Jesus' occult personality and in view of the long tradition of sorcery in Judaism is that Jesus was conceived during a satanic ceremony involving ritual sex and blood sacrifice and the invoking of a demonic power - that of El - into the sperm-zygote formed in Mary's womb.

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Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were born into families were the occult or where sorcery was practiced as the form of religion.

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Sorcery = witchcraft

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The synagogues, churches and mosques everywhere
radiate that characteristic subtle foul smell and the trademark vampiristic force that indicate the presence of the Demonic Force (El or EL-Jesus or Allah) being propitiated in their premises by the teachers, priests and believers. Among these, the worst effect is felt in synagogues. Not surprisingly, ardent devotees of these cults who worship in these shrines are possessed, irrational, sectarian and fanatical.

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Jainism is superior to Buddhism in many facets.

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Off to the Jade Room in the Taj to meet people. Bye.
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The liars approval rating drops to 37%
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HughBe wrote:
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It certainly is NOT offensive to Jews who are Christians.
Does the concept offend atheists Jews?
Tell me the BIOLOGICAL changes that occur in Jews who embrace Christianity and who reject the LIES of your rabbis.
How do these Jews lose their ancestry because of a change in RELIGIOUS beliefs? Use TRUTH and science to explain it.
Every atheist I have met is is clear about boundaries. They might not buy into the Jewish belief, but (usually) they dont deny the existence of the group internally. You do.

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But you can very easily clear this up for us. You just need to explain Jesus' genealogy in light of the fact that Joseph was not his biological father. Surely this task should be straight forward for such an intelligent and honest person such as yourself.
Its funny how Hughe QUOTES bible to try to support his own ideas (about Jesus in the OT, about homosexuality, about Jews not following the text literally, and most importantly about patrilienali vs matrilineal descent, etc etc ),......

but yet when someone else tries to use it as a source to examine Hughbes own ideas, all of a sudden it is OFF LIMITS because Hughbe is "comfortable with his beliefs"

It dont work that way - that is classic hypocrisy. No free pass.

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