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Nov 18, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
One of the implications of this is that while you can respond by saying "I dont need a god concept - science can explain all - eventually"
I don't think I ever said "science can explain all - eventually". Surely, there may be aspects of reality that are beyond our bounds of exploration (e.g. a ten-dimensional universe, perhaps). For those, we can merely hypothesize, and see if we can make accurate predictions around our hypothesis. For those things that we can't even do that, then I subjugate them into the realm of don't know / don't care. I don't find a need to make up labels or explanations for the unknowable / unprovable.
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science really isnt any better as it requires (via faith) two assumptions - that the world is rational, and that it is knowable. As a result, both science and religion can only get you so far.
Here's where we really part ways. There is no faith in science. The material world is rational, and science is a tool to discover what is knowable. It makes no statements about the existence of the unknowable.

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Bye, Hugh.

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Existence has always been in existence. The idea of absolute nothing is absurd. Thus, the question WHY does the existence exist is silly. Science being part of existence naturally bases its inquiries on the various aspects of existence and seeks to tap into the energies of existence to make it available to the whole of humankind and in this manner science is doing us a great service and it is a moral pursuit since it seeks to discover phenomena and enrich us with hard facts in the process and to make available various means to subsist and flourish. Religion with its mumbo jumbo and cruelty has done nothing for the world.

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Nov 18, 2013
 
Joel - 1, Hugh - 0.

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Nov 18, 2013
 
Science is evidence-based, not faith-based.

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Nov 18, 2013
 
Good night.

Hugh, don't visit public loos, please.

Why pick up other guys for sex, when I am all yours, Honey.

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Cult of Reason wrote:
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I don't think I ever said "science can explain all - eventually". Surely, there may be aspects of reality that are beyond our bounds of exploration (e.g. a ten-dimensional universe, perhaps). For those, we can merely hypothesize, and see if we can make accurate predictions around our hypothesis. For those things that we can't even do that, then I subjugate them into the realm of don't know / don't care. I don't find a need to make up labels or explanations for the unknowable / unprovable.
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Here's where we really part ways. There is no faith in science. The material world is rational, and science is a tool to discover what is knowable. It makes no statements about the existence of the unknowable.
How do you explain chaos theory then?

Even the best of scientists acknowledge the limits of their discipline (not just the current state of their tools, but the applicableness of their tools).

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Religion has done the same or worse over thousands of years by indulging in genocides, slavery, rapes, persecutions and torture.
Unlike religion, science has the means to give us real information about nature/being and to provide us with the technological tools to provide real help to people.
Religion is mumbo jumbo and aimed at retards.
Straw argument. Noone was arguing about the superiority of religion. In fact, I even stated earlier that what religion provides other aspects of our culture can easily provide as well.

Grasping for attention. Must suck.

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Based on what you have written, I see that the C is outperforming big F.
Much love Mon.
Later.
The difference between COR and I, VS you and I, is at the end of the day not only do COR and I respect each other, but we even understand each others positions.

We are being more Jesus than you could ever hope to model.

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Straw argument. No one was arguing about the superiority of religion. In fact, I even stated earlier that what religion provides other aspects of our culture can easily provide as well.

Grasping for attention. Must suck.
What nonsense.

You were attemting to paint science in a poor light by giving me the example of the Nazis who used scientific methods/scientific technologies to kill and maim.

I countered that by pointing out that since earlier you came up with the lame argument that science cannot provide morality (and presumably religion does), I thus typed that religion has been down the ages responsible for most of the worst cruelties.

Look here, science is neutral and is concerned about facts and application.

It is perverted humans who misuse science.

On the other hand, religious texts preach hatred, mass murder, slavery, rape, cannibalism, human sacrifice, torture, hatred and other evils and so religion is patently evil and a bane.

What can one do with religion except for sitting in a shul on shabbat singing the praises of a monster and becoming more racist and degraded in brain, mind and emotions.

Grow up, you've got a low level of intelligence and high unfairness and great bigotry in your perverted genes.

Begin by first becoming a good human being.

Math, Physics, Chem and Logic can wait for later, ok, Dunce?

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How do you explain chaos theory then?

Even the best of scientists acknowledge the limits of their discipline (not just the current state of their tools, but the applicableness of their tools).
A dunce referring to Math? LOL.

You know fractals? LOL.

Science at least has its hands on real tools that yield terrific results in terms of real knowledge and real applications when it is appropriately applied.

Religion can neither predict anything nor tell us anything about nature or personality or body and so religion is useless.

LMFAO

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I even stated earlier that what religion provides other aspects of our culture can easily provide as well.
Religion cannot provide anything useful except hatred, violence, unfairness, ignorance, cruelty, racism and fanaticism.

Task a cursory look at your ugly personality and you'll understand how demon worship has warped you.

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We are being more Jesus than you could ever hope to model.
I thought you looked to that evil retard, Moses, for inspiration.

YHVH and Moses - demonic types and retards.

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we even understand each others positions.
Retard,

COR has clearly said he parts ways with your perverted logic.

So, in what way has COR understood your retarded position?

In his mind, COR must be having a poor opinion of you as would any averagely thoughtful reader, except your boyfriend, Rick, the doll lover.

COR is on sound ground with his arguments and his method of exposing your illogic, hypocrisy and unfairness is welcome.

COR has routed you and made you a laughing stock, here.

It is you who has to learn from COR.

You have such poor logical skills and your bigotry is sky-high.

Grow up.

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Nov 18, 2013
 
COR = 7

FRIJOLES (the impoverished dunce)= 0

LOL.

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Nov 18, 2013
 
Where's Hugh? LOL.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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On the other hand, religious texts preach hatred, mass murder, slavery, rape, cannibalism, human sacrifice, torture, hatred and other evils and so religion is patently evil and a bane.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf...

How was lunch, Hugh?

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Look here, science is neutral and is concerned about facts and application.
It is perverted humans who misuse science.
exactly.

And the same can be same for religion, arts, yoga, and the rest of the human created world.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Retard,
COR has clearly said he parts ways with your perverted logic.
So, in what way has COR understood your retarded position?
In his mind, COR must be having a poor opinion of you as would any averagely thoughtful reader, except your boyfriend, Rick, the doll lover.
COR is on sound ground with his arguments and his method of exposing your illogic, hypocrisy and unfairness is welcome.
COR has routed you and made you a laughing stock, here.
It is you who has to learn from COR.
You have such poor logical skills and your bigotry is sky-high.
Grow up.
I find it humorous that you are advocating as such considering both COR and I treat you (deservingly) as a loon with maturity issues.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
COR = 7
FRIJOLES (the impoverished dunce)= 0
LOL.
dont forget to keep count

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