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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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There's no cure for fanaticism.
If you protest that Messianic Jews are ostracized by rabid Jews in Israel my question to a fanati8cal Christian like you would be this - would the Christian clerics tolerate a Christan who accepts Jesus but who at the same time venerates the Buddha and brings ample evidence to inarguably indicate that many of Jesus' teachings are simply lift-offs from Buddhist books? Would the Christian orthodoxy support a Christian who proves using literary sources that virgin birth, resurrection and raising the dead are common features of all religions and are not exclusive to Jesus' life? Would the mainstream Christian Church tolerate a Christian who equates the transubstantiation with cannibalism?
So, think before you type a comment.
Hugh--- In your enlightened mind, do you think it is KIND or humane to STRIP people of their IDENTITY because they do not comply with your wishes?

Joel---There's no cure for fanaticism.

If you protest that Messianic Jews are ostracized by rabid Jews in Israel my question to a fanati8cal Christian like you would be this - would the Christian clerics tolerate a Christan who accepts Jesus but who at the same time venerates the Buddha and brings ample evidence to inarguably indicate that many of Jesus' teachings are simply lift-offs from Buddhist books? Would the Christian orthodoxy support a Christian who proves using literary sources that virgin birth, resurrection and raising the dead are common features of all religions and are not exclusive to Jesus' life? Would the mainstream Christian Church tolerate a Christian who equates the transubstantiation with cannibalism?

HughBe--- 1.Who spoke about Israel?

2.The approach is not unique to Israel.

3. I am disappointed in you, Joel, and this is no joke.

4. There are over 30,000 different Christian denominations with massive differences in beliefs. Some reject Jesus as God while most don't. To those who reject Jesus as God, what do you suppose is their view of those who accept the God status of Jesus ? Is it similar to what you have said?

5. I am telling YOU that with all these difference YOU all others still call ALL of them Christians. Get it?

6. More importantly, you are confusing RELIGION i.e. Christianity with RACE i.e. Jews.

7. Please do not be like the LYING Judahites here so follow me and learn quickly.

8. The 12 tribes of Israel are PHYSICAL descendants of a man whom God named Israel.Let the LIARS deny this. His offspring are called Israelites or Children of Israel now called Jews.

9. They trace their genealogy which speaks to FAMILY, ANCESTRY and DESCENT. Family has NOTHING to do with personal beliefs meaning that it is NOT your beliefs that make you a MEMBER of any FAMILY.

Do you share the BELIEFS of your parents? Are you a part of their family?

10. Jews are big on Genealogy even though for sometime now they have had a challenge in that department.

11. They do NOT do DNA testings to determine RELIGIOUS beliefs and they are big into this.

12. The point is being a Jew or PHYSICAL seed of Israel is independent of beliefs. The teachings of the rabbis exposes them to be frauds as it can be easily proven from the Tanach that beliefs did not make any PHYSICAL descendants of Israel an Israelite now called Jew.

Israel did NOT become Israel when God made a covenant with them. They were already Israel. God made a covenant with Israel. The covenant did NOT give them the name Israel.

In essence to deny the IDENTITY of the Jewish people is INHUMANE meaning CRUEL and in my mind CRIMINAL.

Yes, you can deny or disfellowship anyone from a RELIGION e.g. Judaism but no one can take away the FAMILY connections and DESCENT of an individual. That is NOT possible.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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There's no cure for fanaticism.
If you protest that Messianic Jews are ostracized by rabid Jews in Israel my question to a fanati8cal Christian like you would be this - would the Christian clerics tolerate a Christan who accepts Jesus but who at the same time venerates the Buddha and brings ample evidence to inarguably indicate that many of Jesus' teachings are simply lift-offs from Buddhist books? Would the Christian orthodoxy support a Christian who proves using literary sources that virgin birth, resurrection and raising the dead are common features of all religions and are not exclusive to Jesus' life? Would the mainstream Christian Church tolerate a Christian who equates the transubstantiation with cannibalism?
So, think before you type a comment.
Do Christians have common fathers like Jews who have Abraham, Isaac and Israel ?

Is the concept of genealogy applicable to Christians? Recall Jews place emphasis on it and uses it. How is that possible?

Explain the difference between Jews and Christians in this context.

Jews do DNA testings, can Christians do the same? If not, why not?

Answer all questions.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Neither homosexuality nor schizophrenia is curable.
Medication can, if at all, merely suppress many of the symptoms of schizophrenia, not cure it.
People with schizophrenia often suffer terrifying symptoms such as hearing internal voices not heard by others, or believing that other people are reading their minds, controlling their thoughts, or plotting to harm them. These symptoms may leave them fearful and withdrawn. Their speech and behavior can be so disorganized that they may be incomprehensible or frightening to others. Available treatments can relieve many symptoms, but most people with schizophrenia continue to suffer some symptoms throughout their lives.
From a yogic perspective, schizophrenia is either brought on by warped brain wiring leading to hallucinations or in a normal brain it could be a possession that gives rise to all those weird symptoms mentioned above in this paragraph.
On the other hand, homosexuality is a simple inborn sexual condition of a person being sexually attracted to members of the same sex which is neither life threatening nor does it cause dysfunction of behavior where mental, emotional and physical faculties are concerned nor does it make a person a criminal nor does it render a person mentally unstable.
Homosexuality is a simple effeminization of the brain center where sexual orientation is concerned, while schizophrenia is a mental illness with adverse symptoms that can destroy a person's life.
Are you trying to say that homosexuality leads to schizophrenia or vice versa? LOL.
Joel---Neither homosexuality nor schizophrenia is curable.

Hugh--- Sad. I truly wish that there was a cure particularly for the latter.

Joel---Homosexuality is a simple effeminization of the brain center where sexual orientation is concerned,

Hugh---- Speaks to abnormality

Joel--while schizophrenia is a mental illness with adverse symptoms that can destroy a person's life.

Hugh--- It is indeed very sad. I speak the truth, I would NEVER wish for such a thing to afflict even my worse enemy. This is no joke.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If you don't understand the basics of Judaism then how come you're commenting on it?
You spoke of shades of meaning for the word rabbi and so you ought to be able to explain yourself. Your nonsense response is just that.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Hugh is as intelligent as a she-buffalo.
(smiles)
Correct and you are my brain damaged offspring.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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The word "religion" is derived from the Latin word "religare" which means "to bind".
One can bind oneself to god, self, lover, ethics, crime, drugs, family, kids, money, math, nation, secularism, reason or to anything else.
So, you're definition of the word "religion" is toooo narrow, Mon.
Expected.
Joel---The word "religion" is DERIVED from the Latin word "religare" which means "to bind".

Hugh--- You are DERIVED from your mother and so you are a woman.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Now, where's Hugh, the she-buffalo?
Joel is my seed and I shall never deny his family ties.
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If it was an abnormality, there would be broad reaching problems affecting many areas of their lives. However, what can be seen is that gays are normal and average in pretty much every way except for their position on the spectrum of sexual orientation. This is why homosexuality was removed from the list of psychiatric disorders back with the printing of DSM-III.
The only one who needs help is you, so you can get over your homophobia.
Liam---If it was an abnormality, there would be broad reaching problems affecting many areas of their lives.

HughBe--- Tell me your definition of abnormality and then apply it to your comment.

Liam---The only one who needs help is you, so you can get over your homophobia

HughBe--- Spoken like a true defender of the rear practice.
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Did you ever discuss your "ideas" with your Jewish acquaintances? If you did, I bet they would tar and feather you.
I know I am skirting on thin ice with this next comment - since a few posts back in a fit of sarcasm I previously ceded credibility to you regarding all things Jamaican Jewish - but the last time I googled your community it was pretty clear to me that there were no orthodox there - your island lacked most of the religious institutions that the orthodox require.(You know, the institutions that follow the teachings that you commonly rant against).
Your opening words tell me that you need more time to absorb the material.

Take your time with the little bit below.

I have told you that I have worked with Jews as colleagues. They were regular Jamaicans. At that time I had no interest in RELIGION and so I did not ask any of them if they were Orthodox Judahites, Christians or otherwise. We spoke about work and had normal everyday conversation.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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Is this what you call normal and average?
Statistics on sexual promiscuity among homosexuals
by Matt Slick
1. Promiscuity
A. 28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: "Bell and Weinberg reported
evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the
homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in
their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with
1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308." ( exodusglobalalliance.org/
ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
B. 79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers : "The survey
showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were
strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people
with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309."
( exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealt... )
C. Modal range for homosexual sex partners 101-500 : "In their study of the sexual
profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van
de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of
homosexuals] was 101500 ." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had
between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported
having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A
Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men,"
Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354." ( exodusglobalalliance.org/
ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
D. 1978 study, 78% of gay men ad more than 100 partners, 28% more than 1000: "A
far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of
self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different
males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed
250- 499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000
lifetime male sex partners. By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold,
homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of
more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous
respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in
1984." ( catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/... )
E. There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as
compared to married heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexual
fidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexual
males in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity.(Sources:Laumann,
The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male
Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, "Extramarital
Sex," 170. This is extracted from http://www.frc.org/get.cfm... )
http://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promisc...
Voluntarist--- 28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: "Bell and Weinberg reported

HughBe--- If correct, it shows that homosexuals have severe emotional problems. Note, the same would be true for straight people if they did the same thing.

If any woman had 1000 partners she would be called a mad whore even if the services were all FREE.

What are they seeking? What are they Seekers of?

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Joel---Have you ever wondered why most Jews are atheist, rationalist, secular humanist or have turned in large numbers to eastern mysticism?

Hugh--- No need to wonder. They are fed up with the LIES, stupidity and hate of rabbis plus they see the Talmud for what it is.

In essence they are honest.
Most Jews have left Judaism in disgust - they view the Tanach as a joke book and as a manual of barbarism.

The riff raff among the Jews are the observant ones and ironically even among the observant Jews there are many (including rabbis) who are atheist, secular humanist or ardent followers of Zen or vipassana - they pretend to be observant Jews out of racist ties or cultural loyalty.

Jews are too clever not to recognize the barbarism and nonsense in the Tanakh and this is why most Jews have quit the cult - what I mean is that a Jew knows that the teachings and practices of Judaism are rubbish and savage and that the patriarchs were human beings of great ignorance and perversion.

Given the rubbish and barbarism found in the Tanakh makes it obvious that a Jew, even the most orthodox, can never win a debate on profound subjects like mind-matter, the question of origins, working of nature and being, ethics and the grand aim of life with say a rationalist or with a systems' theorist or with the followers of illumined worldviews like Buddhism or Vedanta.

In refined circles, Judaism is a laughing stock.

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Joel---Will is rarely free in most human beings.In most people, the will is free within extremely narrow limits and is conditioned by genes.....

HughBe--- Don't blame people for their actions.... I am reminded of your parents.

Joel---What about my late parents?

Hugh--- connect the dots
My late parents tried to overcome their differences on many occasions but failed on all occasions since they were conditioned more by their genes, subconscious and environmental impulses than by right thinking. My dad died when I was still a student and mom passed away a few years ago just after I graduated.

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Promiscuity whether of the straight type or of the gay kind is ok provided sex does not turn into an addiction and provided one does not pick up diseases or adverse vibes from one's many partners that could unbalance one's mind, emotions and body. This often happens to many promiscuous persons but there are quite a few sexually promiscuous types who show none of these adverse symptoms.

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Joel is my seed and I shall never deny his family ties.
But, I am not black skinned, brain dead, ugly and fanatical.

I am a pinkish complexioned good looker with poise, intelligence, verve and a circumcised dick.

Don't call me your spawn ever again.

I get the creeps.

Please understand.

I appreciate your affection and kindness but never again call me your son.

The privilege of being my online Dad goes only to Frijoles (for certain reasons...) but Frijoles "cut me loose" some months ago and so I am without a papa.

Thank you.

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HughBe wrote:
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Are you planning to use your yogic powers to peep at my Greek god body?
The integral yoga with it opening me up in consciousness over the years has brought me immense trouble in the form of frequent hostile force attacks many of which have been life-threatening and has aggravated my loneliness/isolation and given me great bodily suffering (when the Force descends into my body as part of its transformational movements).

Anyway, you won't understand any of this - you'd better stick to eating the flesh and drinking the blood of your slain Jesus.
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But, I am not black skinned, brain dead, ugly and fanatical.
I am a pinkish complexioned good looker with poise, intelligence, verve and a circumcised dick.
Don't call me your spawn ever again.
I get the creeps.
Please understand.
I appreciate your affection and kindness but never again call me your son.
The privilege of being my online Dad goes only to Frijoles (for certain reasons...) but Frijoles "cut me loose" some months ago and so I am without a papa.
Thank you.
Hugh----Joel is my seed and I shall never deny his family ties.

Joel---But, I am not black skinned, brain dead, ugly and fanatical.

Hugh--- Correct. You are brain DAMAGED, marginally attractive and deceived. Blacks do produce pink-skinned children. You tend to know very little, my brain dead son.

Joel---I am a pinkish complexioned good looker with poise, intelligence, verve and a circumcised dick.

Hugh--- I thank God that you did not mention the 1 inch length of little dick. Keep that as a father son secret. All of my other children are superior to you in all areas.

Joel---Don't call me your spawn ever again.

Hugh--- Have you missed your medication? That would have been a mistake. In my mind, I did not call you spawn.

Joel---I appreciate your affection and kindness but never again call me your son.

Hugh--- You break my heart, my son.

Joel---The privilege of being my online Dad goes only to Frijoles (for certain reasons...) but Frijoles "cut me loose" some months ago and so I am without a papa.

Hugh--- Birds of a feather F together. This cutting loose that you speak of, is it because on one occasion you did not want his fatherhood?
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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The integral yoga with it opening me up in consciousness over the years has brought me immense trouble in the form of frequent hostile force attacks many of which have been life-threatening and has aggravated my loneliness/isolation and given me great bodily suffering (when the Force descends into my body as part of its transformational movements).
Anyway, you won't understand any of this - you'd better stick to eating the flesh and drinking the blood of your slain Jesus.
Useful but offtopic
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My late parents tried to overcome their differences on many occasions but failed on all occasions since they were conditioned more by their genes, subconscious and environmental impulses than by right thinking. My dad died when I was still a student and mom passed away a few years ago just after I graduated.
Get the point, be grateful for ALL that they have done for you and DON"T blame them for things.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Most Jews have left Judaism in disgust - they view the Tanach as a joke book and as a manual of barbarism.
The riff raff among the Jews are the observant ones and ironically even among the observant Jews there are many (including rabbis) who are atheist, secular humanist or ardent followers of Zen or vipassana - they pretend to be observant Jews out of racist ties or cultural loyalty.
Jews are too clever not to recognize the barbarism and nonsense in the Tanakh and this is why most Jews have quit the cult - what I mean is that a Jew knows that the teachings and practices of Judaism are rubbish and savage and that the patriarchs were human beings of great ignorance and perversion.
Given the rubbish and barbarism found in the Tanakh makes it obvious that a Jew, even the most orthodox, can never win a debate on profound subjects like mind-matter, the question of origins, working of nature and being, ethics and the grand aim of life with say a rationalist or with a systems' theorist or with the followers of illumined worldviews like Buddhism or Vedanta.
In refined circles, Judaism is a laughing stock.
Joel---Most Jews have left Judaism in disgust - they view the Tanach as a joke book and as a manual of barbarism.

Hugh--- News to me. It is more likely that they are fed up with the BS and lies of rabbis and the Talmud.

Joel---The riff raff among the Jews are the observant ones

Hugh--- I now understand why your Papa/Frijoles is Observant.

Joel---and ironically even among the observant Jews there are many (including rabbis) who are atheist

Hugh--- What a profoundly IDIOTIC statement. Get off the vibrator or vibrations and get real.

Atheists= people who do NOT believe that god exist.(dictionary)

Rabbi= someone who believes that there is a god.(my definition.)
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Most Jews have left Judaism in disgust - they view the Tanach as a joke book and as a manual of barbarism.
The riff raff among the Jews are the observant ones and ironically even among the observant Jews there are many (including rabbis) who are atheist, secular humanist or ardent followers of Zen or vipassana - they pretend to be observant Jews out of racist ties or cultural loyalty.
Jews are too clever not to recognize the barbarism and nonsense in the Tanakh and this is why most Jews have quit the cult - what I mean is that a Jew knows that the teachings and practices of Judaism are rubbish and savage and that the patriarchs were human beings of great ignorance and perversion.
Given the rubbish and barbarism found in the Tanakh makes it obvious that a Jew, even the most orthodox, can never win a debate on profound subjects like mind-matter, the question of origins, working of nature and being, ethics and the grand aim of life with say a rationalist or with a systems' theorist or with the followers of illumined worldviews like Buddhism or Vedanta.
In refined circles, Judaism is a laughing stock.
Joel--In refined circles, Judaism is a laughing stock.

Hugh--- I think that it would be a consequence of the Talmud and the other foolish man-made rules of the rabbis.

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