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Obviously you are incapable of of looking at this objectively, since your rant is tinged with emotional words like "barbaric" etc
Moses and Jesus were ignorant and barbaric - these are very conspicuous aspects of their personalities that are reflected in their teachings, aims and deeds as recorded in scripture.

No one in their right mind will ever call the teachings, aims and actions of Moses and Jesus sane or logical or civilized or spiritual.

Moses and Jesus are scriptural riff raff who're venerated by ignorant and fanatical people with a perverse mindset.

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When your personality reverts back to Mr Hyde, give me a ring
ha ha ha

Despite differences in cult beliefs, both Hugh and you are roughly on the same level of intelligence, morals and character and this is why you both delight in tussling with each other and in raising the same rotten topics time and again.

Chill.

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ha ha ha
Despite differences in cult beliefs, both Hugh and you are roughly on the same level of intelligence, morals and character and this is why you both delight in tussling with each other and in raising the same rotten topics time and again.
Chill.
Does arrogance really make you feel better? Sad. Why not just get a tub of Ben and Jerrys.

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Yes, priests is a general term.
What I mean is that they're simply mouthing barbarous and illogical laws of the dark ages.
chill

We would never drink your blood anyhow. We have standards.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Moses and Jesus were ignorant and barbaric - these are very conspicuous aspects of their personalities that are reflected in their teachings, aims and deeds as recorded in scripture.
No one in their right mind will ever call the teachings, aims and actions of Moses and Jesus sane or logical or civilized or spiritual.
Moses and Jesus are scriptural riff raff who're venerated by ignorant and fanatical people with a perverse mindset.
Good thing I worship neither

cant say the same for HUghbe though
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So, now you are an expert on Jamaican Jews. Great. I can live with that, and will not doubt your credibility on matters pertaining to this tiny isolated nonorthodox community.
However, you are still full of sht whenever you opine on Jews outside of Jamaica. Your whole jihad against the Rabbis thingie. You have never even met one of these "Rabbis". Shmuck.
Frijoles---So, now you are an expert on Jamaican Jews.

HughBe--- My guess is that YOU as an American are the expert on Jamaican, Jews. You are in a better position as an American born person to speak about Jews here in Jamaica than their countrymen .

After all, YOU know more about Jamaicans than I do. As a Jamaican I can say this as a FACT, the Jamaican Jews are Jamaicans just like the Jamaican Indians or whites. I have dated a Jamaican Indian. They don't see themselves as anything but Jamaicans.

Have you every met a Jamaican Jew who is not proud to be called a Jamaican? We do not have the hang-ups as you who are born in America but who are not Americans.

I have worked at least 2 places where Jews were my colleagues. We ate together and talked together. Had you not been a pauper I would bet you on the matter. Can you afford even a US$10K?

One of the persons that I have in mind is very likely long dead as she was a mature lady and I had just started my carrier at a Multinational company. But there are people who could collaborate the story.

I KNOW what they eat and YOU don't. So shut the material up.

I know what you eat as well, you have said in many times.

Listen to this WHITE Jamaican he is for real. I KNOW the Jamaican accent. Listen to the words that describes you very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Frijoles--- Great. I can live with that, and will not doubt your credibility on matters pertaining to this tiny isolated nonorthodox community.

HughBe--- Why should I have credibility after all I am not from Jamaica. To say that there was a Jamaican Jew in my postgraduate class is a LIE. Do want to bet on this PAUPER? I challenge you.

We don't attend the same universities or even the same schools as Jamaican Jews do. They go to schools for Jews only.

Are you Orthodox? Are most Jews Orthodox? Why your obsession with Orthodox? Are you saying that because they are not ,in your mind, Orthodox then they are not Jews?

Get it, faeces?

This seems a waste of time I shall come back later to clean up your faeces of the mind.
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Just because someone is Jamaican doesnt preclude them as identfying with the Jewish people, doofus.
I am American and Jewish. No contradiction there.
1.What do you mean when YOU speak of ETHNO?

2.My words clearly went over your head.

3.Who has forced you to call yourself an American? Have you been instructed by your rabbis that it is acceptable to now call yourself an American?

4.In the past, I could not get you to call yourself one. YOU know this.
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Yes it is a RARE STATEMENT when you admit you were wrong.
Honestly, I do not recollect you ever admitting you were wrong before. One new gold star for character development.
Is this the beginning of a new Hughbe?
I am never changing :D
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List all the elements of ETHNO
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JOEL - How do you reconcile these three - the teachings of the Tanach, the teachings of the NT and the discoveries of science?
HUGH - Be specific
JOEL - For instance -
1) How do you reconcile the monolatry and the dualism of the Tanach with the mangod worship and the nondualism of the NT?
2) How do you reconcile the fanaticism and mass murdering ways of say Moshe with Jesus' teachings of sectarian peace laced with threats, curses and abuses?
3) How do you reconcile the creationism of the Tanach with the modern scientific theory of the Big Bang from a state of singularity?
4) Why do you abstain from eating pork when there're no dietary restrictions in Christianity and from a scientific perspective pork or any other form of meat is simply an admixture of various nutrients, proteins, carbs, fats, minerals, etc and so the question of permissible/non-permissible foods does not arise?
5) Where your incessant tirades against the Rabbis are concerned, why don't you understand that in every religion priestcraft and tyranny go hand in hand. The very fact that most Jews are atheist, secular, humanist or followers of Vedanta/Buddhism proves the point that the majority of Jews have outright rejected the fanatical, tribal and murderous teachings of the Tanach in favor of rationalism, universalism or enlightened compassion as the case may be. So, why don't you just ignore the irrationality, aggression and bigotry of some Rabbis who in many ways are simply emulating the example set by Abraham, Moses, Elijah and David whose teachings and deeds reflect bigotry, ignorance and violence?
When I come back.
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Dear Frijoles, I am still waiting for ONE example of my rantings against "ORTHODOX Jews" or more correctly stated ORTHODOX Judahites."

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Frijoles---So, now you are an expert on Jamaican Jews.
HughBe--- My guess is that YOU as an American are the expert on Jamaican, Jews. You are in a better position as an American born person to speak about Jews here in Jamaica than their countrymen .
After all, YOU know more about Jamaicans than I do. As a Jamaican I can say this as a FACT, the Jamaican Jews are Jamaicans just like the Jamaican Indians or whites. I have dated a Jamaican Indian. They don't see themselves as anything but Jamaicans.
Have you every met a Jamaican Jew who is not proud to be called a Jamaican? We do not have the hang-ups as you who are born in America but who are not Americans.
I have worked at least 2 places where Jews were my colleagues. We ate together and talked together. Had you not been a pauper I would bet you on the matter. Can you afford even a US$10K?
One of the persons that I have in mind is very likely long dead as she was a mature lady and I had just started my carrier at a Multinational company. But there are people who could collaborate the story.
I KNOW what they eat and YOU don't. So shut the material up.
I know what you eat as well, you have said in many times.
Listen to this WHITE Jamaican he is for real. I KNOW the Jamaican accent. Listen to the words that describes you very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Frijoles--- Great. I can live with that, and will not doubt your credibility on matters pertaining to this tiny isolated nonorthodox community.
HughBe--- Why should I have credibility after all I am not from Jamaica. To say that there was a Jamaican Jew in my postgraduate class is a LIE. Do want to bet on this PAUPER? I challenge you.
We don't attend the same universities or even the same schools as Jamaican Jews do. They go to schools for Jews only.
Are you Orthodox? Are most Jews Orthodox? Why your obsession with Orthodox? Are you saying that because they are not ,in your mind, Orthodox then they are not Jews?
Get it, faeces?
This seems a waste of time I shall come back later to clean up your faeces of the mind.
Its not my obsession with orthodox. You rant 24/7 about the "rabbbis".

Duh

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HughBe wrote:
Dear Frijoles, I am still waiting for ONE example of my rantings against "ORTHODOX Jews" or more correctly stated ORTHODOX Judahites."
Dont be daft. You are constantly on a jihad against the "rabbis".

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1.What do you mean when YOU speak of ETHNO?
2.My words clearly went over your head.
3.Who has forced you to call yourself an American? Have you been instructed by your rabbis that it is acceptable to now call yourself an American?
4.In the past, I could not get you to call yourself one. YOU know this.
There it is. An example of you ranting against the orthodox.

"...Have you been instructed by your rabbis that it is acceptable to now call yourself an American?..."

idiot

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1.What do you mean when YOU speak of ETHNO?
2.My words clearly went over your head.
3.Who has forced you to call yourself an American? Have you been instructed by your rabbis that it is acceptable to now call yourself an American?
4.In the past, I could not get you to call yourself one. YOU know this.
Thats funny - I seem to recollect posting a definition of ethno-religious just yesterday.

Show some effort.
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JOEL - How do you reconcile these three - the teachings of the Tanach, the teachings of the NT and the discoveries of science?
HUGH - Be specific
JOEL - For instance -
1) How do you reconcile the monolatry and the dualism of the Tanach with the mangod worship and the nondualism of the NT?
2) How do you reconcile the fanaticism and mass murdering ways of say Moshe with Jesus' teachings of sectarian peace laced with threats, curses and abuses?
3) How do you reconcile the creationism of the Tanach with the modern scientific theory of the Big Bang from a state of singularity?
4) Why do you abstain from eating pork when there're no dietary restrictions in Christianity and from a scientific perspective pork or any other form of meat is simply an admixture of various nutrients, proteins, carbs, fats, minerals, etc and so the question of permissible/non-permissible foods does not arise?
5) Where your incessant tirades against the Rabbis are concerned, why don't you understand that in every religion priestcraft and tyranny go hand in hand. The very fact that most Jews are atheist, secular, humanist or followers of Vedanta/Buddhism proves the point that the majority of Jews have outright rejected the fanatical, tribal and murderous teachings of the Tanach in favor of rationalism, universalism or enlightened compassion as the case may be. So, why don't you just ignore the irrationality, aggression and bigotry of some Rabbis who in many ways are simply emulating the example set by Abraham, Moses, Elijah and David whose teachings and deeds reflect bigotry, ignorance and violence?
JOEL - How do you reconcile these three - the teachings of the Tanach, the teachings of the NT and the discoveries of science?

HUGH - Be specific

JOEL - For instance -

Joel-- How do you reconcile the monolatry and the dualism of the Tanach with the mangod worship and the nondualism of the NT?

HughBe--- No need for reconciliation. Apply the concept. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and THEY(more than one) shall be ONE flesh."

My understanding is that ancient sages knew that there were TWO Gods and if memory serves me well one was called the lesser Yahweh. Alas doctoring entered no doubt for self-serving reasons and the God of the Tanakh became formless and no longer two.

Joel--- How do you reconcile the fanaticism and mass murdering ways of say Moshe with Jesus' teachings of sectarian peace laced with threats, curses and abuses?

Hugh--- There is no need for reconciliation.

Joel--- How do you reconcile the creationism of the Tanach with the modern scientific theory of the Big Bang from a state of singularity?

HughBe--- As soon as science catches up to the bible it will learn that something is not produced from nothing. It will learn that a BIG BAG cannot result in lifeforms and the world around us. Tell them to use a computer software to show that a BIG Bang could have produced all that there is. The concept is nothing more than a big wind.

Joel---Why do you abstain from eating pork when there're no dietary restrictions in Christianity...

Hugh--- Was Jesus a Jew? Did He or His disciple teach people to eat pork? Are you like Seeker who believes that one can be a disciple or FOLLOWER of Jesus and do the things that He did not do? Seeker tell LIES almost as much as he eats food and yet he is a disciple of Jesus who never LIED.

Put it another way. If Christians worship the God of the Bible and sacrifices were still being done could they have offered a PIG to God? Are you saying that in the worship of God He would accept the dog, the pig, the donkey from Gentiles but not from Jews?

How could they eat it if the were worshipping God?

Joel--- Where your incessant tirades against the Rabbis are concerned..

HughBe--- Who appointed the rabbis to mentally ENSLAVE and to TREAT the Jewish people inhumanely?
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rabbee: 100% of americans, are religious. the scary part is you do not really know for sure, what is their religion. when you can't even figure out, whether bho is sunni or shiite type of christian fake.
rabbee: 100% of americans, are religious

HughBe--- The American born Frijoles believes otherwise. He challenged my point that they were like Jamaicans i.e. religious and not SECULAR.

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Dear Frijoles, I am still waiting for ONE example of my rantings against "ORTHODOX Jews" or more correctly stated ORTHODOX Judahites."
HughBe wrote:
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Joel--- Where your incessant tirades against the Rabbis are concerned..
HughBe--- Who appointed the rabbis to mentally ENSLAVE and to TREAT the Jewish people inhumanely?
Duh

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rabbee: 100% of americans, are religious
HughBe--- The American born Frijoles believes otherwise. He challenged my point that they were like Jamaicans i.e. religious and not SECULAR.
not even the point I was making
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What do you mean by "free will? Does such a thing exist?
By free will, I mean the exact thing as is found in the dictionary and how it is used commonly.

It means VOLUNTARY and not INVOLUNTARY. So free will means a person can CHOOSE to do or not to do. Free to believe or not believe.

SLAVERY means no free will. So one cannot FREELY choose his religion under slaver. This is what has happened to the Jewish people.

Their very IDENTITY is at stake and can be taken away by the god-men of Judaism. This is not theory it is fact.

Under the slavery of Africans they were not free to worship their ancient gods and even their languages were stifled.

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