Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61466 Oct 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Nary a day goes by were you dont offer a gay double entrende. Thats not normal. Unless you swing that way. I just wish you would come out already and save yourself the torment the argument you must be having in your head between the real you and the biblical you. That must suck.
Hilarious.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61467 Oct 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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So you have convinced yourself by posting an out of context quote. Congratulations. You are a genius.
Put it in context.

My Jewish Learning, extract.
""The Talmud OUTSTRIPS even the Bible in influence and importance. Explicating and building upon the Torah's laws, stories, and ideas, the Talmud also lay the groundwork for new religious sensibilities that stressed scholarship and were attuned to the needs of the Jews in the Diaspora."
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#61468 Oct 29, 2013
HughBe wrote:
I have read from a Jewish source where it was said that the rabbis or sages taught their disciples to be more mindful of the Talmud than the Tanakh. Those may not be the exact words but they convey the exact sentiments.
In essence things taught by the rabbis via Talmud takes priority over what God said directly or via His prophets.
I am reminded of words spoke by Isaiah the prophet and surely they are applicable to the gods of Judaism.
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
I agree with you, HughBe. The Jews have not remained faithful in the covenant and have relied more on their interpretation than the actual word of God. They should know better from their history, but history tends to repeat itself. What will cause their downfall is not the Rabbis but the Christians. I think they should be kicked out and it is they that will cause Israel to go into captivity once again. What prompts captivity is idolatry.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#61469 Oct 29, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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The God El (YHVH) talks, fumes, abuses, curses, loves, avenges, threatens, murders and in short he displays every human trait and yet ironically he does not wish to reveal his face! LOL.
There exist many anthropopathic typal beings like El who refrain from incarnating in human form and are happy displaying human qualities as mentioned above and expectedly they have no wish to be portrayed in human form.
God is human and has human attributes. God has revealed his face but we are not to look at it. A lot of people lost their lives thirty years ago for publishing the face of God. A still picture is considered an idol. In response to your statement about other gods talking, idols do not speak, only the living God of Israel does. That's one of the things that separates God from the idols which are not alive.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61470 Oct 29, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you, HughBe. The Jews have not remained faithful in the covenant and have relied more on their interpretation than the actual word of God. They should know better from their history, but history tends to repeat itself. What will cause their downfall is not the Rabbis but the Christians. I think they should be kicked out and it is they that will cause Israel to go into captivity once again. What prompts captivity is idolatry.
But Susan, you say that you agree with me and yet you are not acknowledging that Judaism by how it operates is idolatrous.

If ANYONE obeys men or women over God they are putting their rulers ABOVE God. Judaism VIOLATES the FIRST of the 10 and much more.

The rabbis are BLINDLY ADORED and that is IDOLATRY.

Keep in mind that some Jews are Christians.

later

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61471 Oct 29, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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I don't disagree that the world is, in fact, more complicated. I also don't doubt there were many more buggy whip repairmen and butter churners in the Washington administration.
My question, and I don't believe there is an obvious answer. "Should there be computer programmers and air conditioning repairmen on the government payroll?" Or, could these services be better provided by contracting them from the private sector?
Actually, the answer is a very easy "yes". While for some functions contracting private industry is better, there are plenty of cases where that is not a good option. Part of my job in the Navy included computer programing...

The Obamacare web site is a glaring example of the private sector at work under government contract. Of course, most of those problems would have been avoided if the individual states done their duty to their citizens and established their own exchanges.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61472 Oct 29, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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The EPA has done some very good work. Setting standards for air and water quality is a fine example.
Engaging in the creation of an artificial biofuels market that cost Billions and inadvertently sparked basic food shortages across the globe to provide a product that no one was looking for, probably not so much.
A department like the EPA is a good example of a function of government -- make sure people aren't throwing their garbage in the sea, land, or air. But, that needs to be the limit of their function. Set the standard, enforce that standard, rinse, repeat.
There is a lot more science needed in the world today. Probably the best method is government subsidy to universities and let them do the work.

The idea of creating an artificial market for biofuels is, in and of itself, a good idea. It was poorly executed. People are addicted to oil, and every dollar spend on oil is money for terrorism. I am not just talking about petrodollars sent to Saudi Arabia, either. Even domestic oil aids terrorism by letting the Arabs sell to India or China instead of us. Then too, global warming must be addressed, and that also means putting an end to fossil fuel usage.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61473 Oct 29, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Computers are meant to simplify record keeping and calculations, they would actually cut down on the need for employees.
In an ideal world, that would be true.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61474 Oct 29, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If the us government was such a grand idea these days and people thought that they were great then they wouldn't have to extract payment for their services by force.
Not true in the slightest. Even with something like the EPA, there are plenty of people who would rather be allowed to poison the air & water without limits in the thought that they can gain a few more cents of profit. Just like there are people who "choose" to be homeless, living in filth and not knowing where their next meal is coming from, when they could accept the fact that they are mentally unbalanced and need treatment.

And yes, I am deliberately comparing those who do not like the EPA to nutjobs that live out of a shopping cart and argue with themselves...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61475 Oct 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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CIA and Special Forces - Covert Ops have likely been involved in this conflict for months. Just not all that aggressively. Obama lacks the balls on this one. I would love to say I dont blame him, its a tricky situation, but I DO blame him. IF you are going posture, you need to follow up. Posturing and waffling is not good for anyone. Obama is terrible at foreign affairs.(That said, compared to the other orangutans in the other party, I would vote for him again in a heartbeat)
Yeah, Obama's biggest failure as POTUS was drawing a line in the sand over chemical weapons and then doing nothing when Assad used them.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61476 Oct 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Nary a day goes by were you dont offer a gay double entrende. Thats not normal. Unless you swing that way. I just wish you would come out already and save yourself the torment the argument you must be having in your head between the real you and the biblical you. That must suck.
Take a look at this video. I saw both you and Joel in it starting from 4 minutes 32 seconds.

Watch the entire thing after.

yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#61477 Oct 29, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Put it in context.
My Jewish Learning, extract.
""The Talmud OUTSTRIPS even the Bible in influence and importance. Explicating and building upon the Torah's laws, stories, and ideas, the Talmud also lay the groundwork for new religious sensibilities that stressed scholarship and were attuned to the needs of the Jews in the Diaspora."
rabbee: how dare any one, to think fallible men can improve TheTorah law from G-D. will you all quit trying to fix TheTorah, when the second set ain't broke. and i am not about to forsake the needs of G-D, for the sake of the needs jews. jews should feel fortunate, that G-D did not sentence them all to death in wwii. after what they have done against G-D, and TheTorah here in IT.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#61478 Oct 29, 2013
either you want to partake of being here in TheTorah from G-D or you don't. but don't expect me or G-D, to feel sorry for those that don't.
Voluntarist

United States

#61479 Oct 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Actually, the answer is a very easy "yes". While for some functions contracting private industry is better, there are plenty of cases where that is not a good option. Part of my job in the Navy included computer programing...
The Obamacare web site is a glaring example of the private sector at work under government contract. Of course, most of those problems would have been avoided if the individual states done their duty to their citizens and established their own exchanges.
The so called states have no duties silly boy.
Voluntarist

United States

#61480 Oct 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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There is a lot more science needed in the world today. Probably the best method is government subsidy to universities and let them do the work.
The idea of creating an artificial market for biofuels is, in and of itself, a good idea. It was poorly executed. People are addicted to oil, and every dollar spend on oil is money for terrorism. I am not just talking about petrodollars sent to Saudi Arabia, either. Even domestic oil aids terrorism by letting the Arabs sell to India or China instead of us. Then too, global warming must be addressed, and that also means putting an end to fossil fuel usage.
Oh the global warming fear mongering again.

Can you name a successful market that government created?
Voluntarist

United States

#61481 Oct 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Not true in the slightest. Even with something like the EPA, there are plenty of people who would rather be allowed to poison the air & water without limits in the thought that they can gain a few more cents of profit. Just like there are people who "choose" to be homeless, living in filth and not knowing where their next meal is coming from, when they could accept the fact that they are mentally unbalanced and need treatment.
And yes, I am deliberately comparing those who do not like the EPA to nutjobs that live out of a shopping cart and argue with themselves...
Providing services by force is mentally unbalanced to begin with.
Voluntarist

United States

#61482 Oct 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Yeah, Obama's biggest failure as POTUS was drawing a line in the sand over chemical weapons and then doing nothing when Assad used them.
It has never been factually proven that assad used chemical weapons.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#61483 Oct 29, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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But Susan, you say that you agree with me and yet you are not acknowledging that Judaism by how it operates is idolatrous.
If ANYONE obeys men or women over God they are putting their rulers ABOVE God. Judaism VIOLATES the FIRST of the 10 and much more.
The rabbis are BLINDLY ADORED and that is IDOLATRY.
Keep in mind that some Jews are Christians.
later
Christianity is idolatry and a lot of Jews are falling into it. If they don't learn from the past, they are doomed to repeat it. Christians serve idols, from the figures of Jesus, the cross and the statues of saints. All three of those are instruments of worship. I don't believe the Jews serve idols.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#61484 Oct 30, 2013
EVIL PERSONIFIED - MARY AND JESUS:

A) Mary, mother of Jesus, was most probably a whore or a victim of rape - Jesus was conceived during one of these episodes. Virgin birth is a later addition to the Bible to conceal the low nature of the mother-son duo with Jesus acquiring adverse occult powers at a very young age or by being possessed by a powerful adverse force that manifested those parlor tricks through him to impress gullible people and to consolidate his megalomania.

B) Many of this false prophet's teachings dwell on bigotry, insanity, divisiveness, threats to murder opponents, curses, abuses and rants. These vile teachings/diabolical actions of Jesus inspired the Catholic church in later days to indulge in the destruction of ancient cultures, forcible conversions, wars, persecutions and mass murders.

C) No wonder, the false messiah, Jesus, was severely dealt with by the laws governing cause and effect (karma) and he died a violent death and if he survived the crucifixion it was due to his close disciples bribing the Romans to set him down from the cross in a mere 3 hours to prevent bleeding to death that usually takes place in 6 hours of being nailed to the cross. Medicines were applied to his wounds, thereafter.

Some of the foul teachings of Jesus - the so-called "prince of peace":

1) "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34)

2) "Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:3439

3) "I am come to send fire on Earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:4953

4) "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)

5) "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36)

6) "If the people in the town will not welcome you, go outside the town and shake their dust off of your feet. This will be a warning to them." (Luke 9:5)

7) "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27

8) "Jesus cursed the fig tree when it was not the season to produce fruit causing it to wither." Mark 11

9) "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6

10) Christ categorically says in the New Testament (Mark, 16/16) that he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved, while he who does not believe (in Christ and Christianity) shall be
damned.

11) "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33)

12) "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth" John 8:44

13) "And He said to them,'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mark 2:27-28

CONCLUSION: Jesus was neither sane nor sinless nor perfect nor physically immortal nor invincible.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#61487 Oct 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Joel---Get this straight - Hugh is not sexually attracted to females.

Hugh--- You are exposing me Joel, shame on you.
You've been exposed as a bisexual with more homosexual tendencies than straight ones.

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