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““You must not lose faith ”

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#61265 Oct 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with government providing a service its just the forced extraction of wealth to pay for services.
let's say government had unlimeted expansion (not so, America rather has issues on not subscribing the bill and making everything political)
Then we would have a situatio that would also mean full employment.
So all people included.

Capitalism, the theory thereof rather sees a situation with unemployment, to keep taxes down and to have muzzles on unions.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#61266 Oct 26, 2013
Okay, that's two posts without being reverted to the terms of agreement of topix.
Let's try posting to Eric again!
Eric

Glen Ellyn, IL

#61267 Oct 26, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Frijoles is the online dunce with poor or nonexistent intellectual capacities. He's only obsessed with homosexuality, girlish exclamations like "ouch", cult mumbo jumbo, tribalism and cheap politics. He's a joke. LOL.
Without the yogic experiences, you won't understand the role of the hostile force attacks and the way they can become life threatening if the adverse forces see that the budding yogi is in direct touch with a plane of consciousness as lofty, as potent and as transformational as the supramental and so they attack such an aspirant even more viciously and besides by exposing the machinations, evil and inferiority of certain malevolent typal beings - the God of certain faiths - I invited more of these vicious attacks. Then, my ex-master was another one targeting me for dumping him. So, I suffered a lot/am suffering to an extent.
If my Math training can a arouse a strong desire for excellence in Math in the undergrads who I taught the subject, then, good - it will help make them better researchers or better number crunchers. That's all.
Teaching Math to undergrads for 3 days in a math camp (or say even I were to teach Math in a college in a permanent capacity) is good fun because in this way one helps the students understand the subject better but at the same time my aim is much deeper and far more radical than merely teaching Math given my direct exposure via yogic experiences to the mind-matter matrix.
Math cannot change human nature by an uplifting of it from its unregenerate state nor can it solve any of the fundamental problems related to personality defects, perverse generational instincts, psychological misery, asuric force attacks, inequalities, injustice, lack of peace and in general it is impotent in a deeper sense in the mind-matter context in the world.
I have always excelled at Math but I have observed that too much emphasis on Math involving esoteric abstractions unbalances the brain and throws one into a narrow corner and brings about a state of mental hallucination about numbers and mathematical operations which is not fruitful and as such it suppresses one's finer instincts and destroys one's higher capacities related to the higher logical faculties that are of a non-mathematical nature and it also damages one's omnijective capacities of being. Within certain healthy limits, Math is a boon, otherwise it's a bane.
Community service through teaching Math is fine provided one can instil not only the love for ordinary subjects like Math in the untutored minds of the students but more than this ordinary feat it should awaken the imperative need in ignorant people to closely follow the laws of nature/being so as to bring the consciousness into any of the numerous higher states as far as one's capacities permit via direct experiences that ultimately leads to self-realization and transformation of mind, vital and body. This is the highest aim of human existence. Math, partnership with savage typal beings calling themselves God, ritualistic mumbo jumbo, unethical dealings, cruelty, tribalism, sensual excesses and unnatural obsessions can only create imbalances in personality and invite global trouble and lead the individual and collectivity downhill as we see happening everywhere.
annnnnd, it got you out of your apartment and among other people at a time when your mental health was questionable.
Voluntarist

United States

#61268 Oct 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Depends on the reason. When some American Fenians raided across the border into Canada, the US gov't accepted responsibiblity for "allowing" them to commit an act of terrorism.
If an anti Chinese terrorist group was using the U.S. as a base for training and operations, and the P.R.C. launched a drone strike against that base, the U.S. would not have a lot of room to complain, especially if the P.R.C. had already tried to go through proper channels.
The US never accepts responsibility.
The US backs rebels in Syria some of which are Al Qaeda.
Voluntarist

United States

#61269 Oct 26, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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let's say government had unlimeted expansion (not so, America rather has issues on not subscribing the bill and making everything political)
Then we would have a situatio that would also mean full employment.
So all people included.
Capitalism, the theory thereof rather sees a situation with unemployment, to keep taxes down and to have muzzles on unions.
Now you want everyone working for government?

I think that the pilgrims tried that (everyone reaping the same benefit) and some did much more work than others and caused resentment.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#61270 Oct 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
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annnnnd, it got you out of your apartment and among other people at a time when your mental health was questionable.
It was not his aim but he clearly stated that theoretical physics was thus beyond his grasp. The combination of math and logical reasoning.

Just so's it's noted for posterity.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#61271 Oct 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Now you want everyone working for government?
I think that the pilgrims tried that (everyone reaping the same benefit) and some did much more work than others and caused resentment.
Well that's where the Union steps in.

But it sounds like reducing America's government to an issue of office-politics and kaffee-klatch.(i.e. gossip at the water-cooler)

““You must not lose faith ”

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#61272 Oct 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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The US never accepts responsibility.
The US backs rebels in Syria some of which are Al Qaeda.
Do they actually, was the budget cleared? Any bill signed?

I find it unlikely, it would be like making the same old mistakes allover again.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#61273 Oct 26, 2013
Moses Kestenbaum ODA wrote:
Am Yisroel chai, israel forever , israel is the best place to live on Mother Earth , israel has the best brains, the minds in one place that why every tech firm has a location in israel
Lonely in NY?

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#61274 Oct 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
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annnnnd, it got you out of your apartment and among other people at a time when your mental health was questionable.
Those adverse force attacks on my highly sensitive nervous system have receded as of now especially after I cut the last vestige of the force connection with that vile man who I dumped almost a year ago.

Those 3 days of teaching Math to undergrads was fun but at the same time it was tedious since most of the students lacked a strong foundation in the subject given the terrible manner Math is taught in the schools and colleges, here.

I have a very strong foundation in Math since it's inborn and my late Dad was some kind of a genius in Math who awakened this dormant capacity in me through talks and home teaching.

As I said, within certain healthy limits, Math is a boon, overshoot the limit then it becomes an unhealthy mental obsession that leads to mental imbalances and even insanity in many cases as seen in the lives of many gifted mathematicians who obsess with the intricate abstractions of the subject and turn insane or mentally unbalanced.

I am not going to teach Math for a long time to anyone, since, by speaking for hours at a high pitch to students whose force fields are far from pleasant, it pulls out my usually indrawn consciousness...

After emerging from the horrific force attacks on my nervous system of the recent past, I prefer keeping myself busy meeting on an on-off basis certain financial professionals, talking to like-minded investors, listening to music, chatting online, talking to a few close friends on all matters and sundry, sitting in the swank Sea Lounge, going shopping, walking in forested areas in suburban Mumbai, going boating in lakes in these forested tracts in suburban Mumbai, eating healthy, concentrating on my breathing patterns after giving up meditation (but the frequent yogic experiences keep manifesting spontaneously these days), discussing the subtleties of direct mind-matter experiences involving the subject uniting in conscious field with the object with certain individuals with natural yogic instincts or talking on this profound mind-matter subject to those few persons having highly developed intellectual capacities who have realized the limits of matter/crass materialism and who have seen that matter leads to mind thus giving rise to the all-encompassing phenomenon of mind-matter. I am toying with the idea of spending some quality time away from Mumbai by living in the countryside in a farmhouse in the near future. Let's see.

Anyway, thank you, for your concern and suggestions.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#61275 Oct 27, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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That is the crux of the issue. The standard for what is considered "essential" is in dire need of reevaluation (in my opinion). The current standard is to look at any perceived problem and immediately exhort "The government needs to do something about _______!" If you accept the idea that the function of government is to provide an environment where the citizenry can prosper, not to ensure everyone does prosper then establishing courts, public safety, foreign relations are all proper functions of government. Engaging in the business of selling products and services is not.
I would suggest a new standard. Start with the baseline assumption that the government, any government, should not be providing services that can be /are being delivered efficiently by the private sector.
If there are inefficiencies in the distribution of services by the private sector THEN address that inefficiency. Either by providing incentive for more private service providers or by stepping in an providing that service by subcontract -- but only dealing with the inefficiency. In my opinion, government should not be in the business of commercial competition with the private sector.
Many or most of the services the govt offers are not things that can be privatized easily, either due to the scale (it makes no sense to privatize national weather forcasting, or, as we found out the TSA, or the administration of the parks and forests), or things that are illogical to privatize - such as ppolice protection, oversight (i.e. Justice dept), planning (FEMA and the EPA), policy (Education dept) etc etc

In my small city, they privatized the administration of the parks a few years back, and after realizing that this costs more money, with a lack of personal accountability, they just went back. This happens all the time. Its a misnomer in many cases that private sector is cheaper or more efficient.

Most studies here have indicated that Charter Schools do not work.

I suppose you could privatize snow removal (not the most needed in Singapore, I know), but even that has turned out to be inefficient here. Our city privatized collection of recycling for a few years and revoked that too, now they save tens of thousands of dollars doing this in-house.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#61276 Oct 27, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with government providing a service its just the forced extraction of wealth to pay for services.
But to you everything is a forced extraction. So your acceptance is theoretical.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#61277 Oct 27, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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The EPA has done some very good work. Setting standards for air and water quality is a fine example.
Engaging in the creation of an artificial biofuels market that cost Billions and inadvertently sparked basic food shortages across the globe to provide a product that no one was looking for, probably not so much.
A department like the EPA is a good example of a function of government -- make sure people aren't throwing their garbage in the sea, land, or air. But, that needs to be the limit of their function. Set the standard, enforce that standard, rinse, repeat.
I agree, obviously, with your disdain for biofuels.

However, dont kill the messenger. Its not illogical for any agency to have a planning division. Planning and policy is a core service of the government. Almost every Agency has a planning division.

I think what you disagree on, are the methods of implementation. How was the policy chosen? What was the method of accountability and what are the performance objectives for the policy to be considered a success? Are there multiple ways to implement the policy? Monitoring? Then, you have to ask if you had the votes to successfully prosecute a dissent. If not, then democracy is in action, and simply put, you are on the loosing side.

I disagree with agriculture subsidies. Should we eliminate the dept of agriculture?

A lot of it has to do with the messy business of governing. Cant please everyone.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#61278 Oct 27, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Do they actually, was the budget cleared? Any bill signed?
I find it unlikely, it would be like making the same old mistakes allover again.
CIA and Special Forces - Covert Ops have likely been involved in this conflict for months. Just not all that aggressively. Obama lacks the balls on this one. I would love to say I dont blame him, its a tricky situation, but I DO blame him. IF you are going posture, you need to follow up. Posturing and waffling is not good for anyone. Obama is terrible at foreign affairs.(That said, compared to the other orangutans in the other party, I would vote for him again in a heartbeat)

“Shalom from Jerusalem”

Since: Oct 13

Jerusalem

#61279 Oct 27, 2013
As a third generation 'Messianic Jew' living in Israel my family has been institutionally persecuted since the early 70's. It is an understandable situation based on the persecution Jews have endured in the name of Jesus for centuries. Jews don't see Jesus as a prophet, messiah only the face of their persecutor. While we silently endure we are more disturbed by the fact that most Christians dont know how to deal with their Jewish believing brothers and some completely ignore us. That said we are integrating into mainstream Israel in unprecedented ways and the establishment is now being forced to deal with us. It will take time for our people to start to accept us as part of the Jewish nation but we are hopeful that in the future we will be looked at as a legitimate part of the nation and not some fringe cult that needs to be alienated and oppressed.

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#61280 Oct 27, 2013
"OUCH" - FRIJOLES, the brainless homo, is, as usual, busy posting garbage online. LOL.

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#61281 Oct 27, 2013
"OUCH" - such a girlish expression. LMAO.

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#61282 Oct 27, 2013
jerusalemgifts wrote:
As a third generation 'Messianic Jew' living in Israel my family has been institutionally persecuted since the early 70's. It is an understandable situation based on the persecution Jews have endured in the name of Jesus for centuries. Jews don't see Jesus as a prophet, messiah only the face of their persecutor.
"OUCH" !

Today, being Sunday, I am off to church to worship dear Jesus by partaking off the holy communion of Jesus' flesh and blood in the form of RUMP STEAK and MENSTRUAL BLOOD.

Do you think Jesus offered a piece of his rump and his ejected menstrual blood to his disciples?

(smiles)

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#61283 Oct 27, 2013
jerusalemgifts wrote:
We are more disturbed by the fact that most Christians don't know how to deal with their Jewish believing brothers and some completely ignore us.
So what if the Christians and Jews ignore the Messianic Jews?

You should know how to deal with scorn and rejection in a mature manner instead of complaining and seeking the approval of all and sundry.

If your beliefs are strong, fine.

Go ahead with your Messianic beliefs in Jesus et al so long as they don't damage your mental, emotional, physical or financial health nor disturb the peace in the place where you live and for heaven's sake stop proselytizing and seeking attention for your beliefs since there are millions of other beliefs that billions of people adhere to in the world and in most cases there's no consensus or common meeting ground among these because with these mental beliefs each set of beliefs can claim anything which has nothing or at the most very little to do with the reality.

If scripture and rituals form the core of your beliefs then your being is doomed and it is bound to remain stuck in a time warp where petrified teachings take precedence over higher forms of knowledge that're emerging or which remain inaccessible as of yet.

Human consciousness has evolved and will evolve further under the impacts of varying evolutionary forces that seek manifestation in the terrestrial force fields.

Religion is neither partnership nor subservience nor dogma nor intellectual assent nor blood sacrifices nor tribalism nor church service nor shabbath nor conversion nor evangelism nor growing a beard nor wearing a cap nor clinging to a tiny aspect of the reality and believing that it constitutes the whole nor talk nor scripture nor mental beliefs nor intellectual humbug nor whimsical rules/regulations issued by so-called prophets nor dietary habits.

Religion is realization that's based on direct experiences leading to perfection of being and its instrumental parts.

Bye.

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#61284 Oct 27, 2013
Religion is realization that's based on direct experiences leading to perfection of being and its instrumental parts.

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