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There, I think I hit all the highlights. We may have to continue this discussion post Shabbat. It's almost candle time here.

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I'm not sure why. Ratio of population to the number of people it takes to serve said population is a pretty good indicator of how efficient government is.
Because not all govt services are needed by all people equally.

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There, I think I hit all the highlights. We may have to continue this discussion post Shabbat. It's almost candle time here.
I still have a few hours here. But I will try to be succinct so that you dont feel sandbagged when you come back.

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I don't consider the current situation as apocalyptic -- an apocalypse would be a hell of a lot more fun.
I don't advocate burning anything down. I'm saying that if you desire a change in the system you can't make any change with the current entrenched leadership in EITHER party. They have too much at stake perpetuating the current system.
Two parties, with different ideological bents, gorging a the same trough.
I agree you are moderate, relative to the loonies, and that you dont buy into everything. But I do disagree on the "gorging at the trough" characterization. People have differing opinions regarding what should be essential. The trough is there, the question is how to divide it. I dont see how the system is evil in itself. It seems to me that the TP is afraid of engaging in public discourse in making the hard choices.

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Because not all govt services are needed by all people equally.
You could say that about any business. Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick hand job.

How's that for a pre-Shabbat analogy?

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I'm sure lots of TP member advocate a lot of things. I personally think EVERYONE should read "Walking Dead". It's a great comic.
But, I don't believe Ms Rand's works have achieved the status of Mao's Little Red Book. I don't see people waving "The Fountainhead" in the air at TP rallies. For one thing, it's big, you could hurt someone waving it around.
For most people, Rand's works are the equivalent of Hawking's "Brief History of Time". They look good sitting on the coffee table but no one actually reads them (they just say they do). Rand, like Hawking, is a tough read. She's long-winded, and about as subtle as a H-Bomb. In her faction she will take 35 pages to describe an idea that could be summed up in a paragraph.
I suspect you are correct. Kind of similar to the number of politically active "Christians" who actually have read their bible.

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It's not ideology to say that if an executive branch department takes powers that are not prescribed by law, government by decree, then that is an abuse of the checks and balances system.
Both parties do that, Roosevelt did it when he interned Japanese Americans. Truman did it when nationalized steel production. Nixon did it when he fixed gas prices. Some of these decrees are eventually invalidated by the courts (Truman's steel mill decree and Japanese Internment for example). Individual agencies do it continuously by enforcing laws far beyond their original intent or taking upon themselves powers not even given by law.
The difference between the private sector and the government sector when it comes to abuse of power is that, in the private sector, the market will eventually sort things out. We saw this specifically in the IT/TELECOM sector in 2000 when it had been growing out of control for years with inflated capital valuations and fell apart as the market could not sustain the growth. 2000/2001 was a blood bath in the IT/TELECOM sector.
There is no market limit on government growth. It can only be contained by the limit of tax revenues and not even by that. Deficit spending is the norm and budget ceilings are a joke that no one takes seriously. A government program, once initiated must continue to grow and the market won't stop it. Without artificial (call the ideological if you must) limits on the growth of government, it will continue to expand indefinitely.
I disagree. I see plenty of inefficiencies in the private sector that did not sort themselves out, or not until their was immense collateral damage. The financial industry, for one.

I dont see the downside to govt growth IF they are providing a needed service. Health Care expansion, for example (if we had the balls to go to single payer). Its not growth per se thats a problem. If there IS a problem it might be lack of performance standards/accountability and/or overreach (as you have posited).

However, I dont see this as endemic only to govt (it happens in the private sector as well), nor do I think govt lacks the checks and balances to keep this at bay. Agencies and programs can be reformed or defunded within the existing political infrastructure, without going extra-legislative (like the TP tried to do).

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You could say that about any business. Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick hand job.
How's that for a pre-Shabbat analogy?
Correct. Which is why there are segmented market analysis when analyzing the need for private services, instead of looking at total population.

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You could say that about any business. Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick hand job.
How's that for a pre-Shabbat analogy?
Have a good shabbat, and dont forget that whips, chains, and candle wax are probably considered within the melachot. I'd opt for the handjob.

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Or use a soft brush for a completely new sensation.

34. Shearing (Note 52)

This includes removing hair, wool or feathers from any living creature.

Also included are such things as haircutting, shaving and cutting one's fingernails. Eyebrow plucking is also forbidden.

The spirit of the law also forbids the combing of hair on the Sabbath, since this normally also pulls out hairs. Using a soft brush, however, is permitted.

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Good thing that semen includes putrine and cadaverine, so dead it is...or is it?

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You could say that about any business. Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick hand job.
How's that for a pre-Shabbat analogy?
My point being that if you look at the greatest growth in government its been in military and veterans related affairs. Because there is a demand for it. We can argue who was responsible for that demand - Obama or Bush, but that is tangential for now.

That subpopulation (as well as the boomers) is growing at a greater rate than other subpopulations.

Hence, by strictly normalizing growth of government by GENERAL population (as your article did) does not provide us with an appropriate construct. If you are going to normalize your measure, you should use a segmented metric i.e. divide growth by subpopulation and compare over time. Then you might (and I admit I am assuming) note that the government growth over time is MORE muted then what your original article purports.

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Joel dear, where are you?
Hi Hugh,

I was busy helping out in a Math camp for undergrads
held at a local college.

The ex-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) scientist, who, some months ago, was helping me with certain topics in advanced Math (in my intensive preparation for the BARC national entrance exam leading to doctoral research) invited me to help him and a few other Math buffs with the Math camp for undergrads. It was fun teaching a few topics like combinatorics, vector analysis and solid geometry to the undergrads - a pretty interested lot with a poor foundation in the subject.

This aside, I used the time off to develop a new line of thinking that attempts to take a closer look at the origin of species using models comprising numerical and alphabetical information and relating that to mind-matter field and its calibrated manifestations - my logic has led me to conclude that both the yogic view as well as Darwinian evolution are plausible mechanisms and I have attempted a novel synthesis of both. More on this later....

I also corresponded with a leading Mind-Matter mainstream scientist, Dr Dean Radin, who happens to be an ex-Jew and a practicing Vedantist, and pointed out certain flaws in his arguments/certain illogic in his conclusions drawn from experimental analysis. He may reply, let me wait and watch.

Rest holds fine, here.

Chillin' with music.

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Have you lost it?

If YES, congratulations. I am pleased and proud of you.
Like the ordinary human need to sleep that I have overcome, I have also overcome the sex urge.

The total transformation of the sex instinct into its non-sexual counterpart is underway till the present on account of the spontaneous descents of the Yoga Force into me but what has been yogically achieved till now in my vital-mind and body are sufficient to draw me away from the sex urge and from nocturnal emissions and the like.

This yogic movement that I am experiencing to a certain minimal degree is a novel evolutionary movement that seeks to manifest higher faculties of the supramental kind in the fit individual and happens to rare individuals in history, while the other spiritual types that we read about in scriptures were content with visions, voices, sorcery, mass murdering opponents, egoism, megalomania, fanaticism, tribalism, cannibalism, human sacrifices, animal sacrifices, wars, dying for the sins of others, eating flesh/drinking blood as acts of transubstantiation, "resurrection" from the "dead" which is actually the cessation of an OBE, calls to convert, curses, abuses, acts of iconoclasm and teaching childish and savage mumbo jumbo to their brain-dead followers.

Transformation via supramentalization of the individual being leading to the manifestation of the supramental principle in mind, vital and body and the consequent emergence of the next species - the supramental being - beyond the mental being (man) is completely removed from the inferior scriptural spirituality and their attendant mindless rituals that is common to the religions of the world.

Anyway, relax.

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Hi Hugh,
I was busy helping out in a Math camp for undergrads
held at a local college.
The ex-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) scientist, who, some months ago, was helping me with certain topics in advanced Math (in my intensive preparation for the BARC national entrance exam leading to doctoral research) invited me to help him and a few other Math buffs with the Math camp for undergrads. It was fun teaching a few topics like combinatorics, vector analysis and solid geometry to the undergrads - a pretty interested lot with a poor foundation in the subject.
This aside, I used the time off to develop a new line of thinking that attempts to take a closer look at the origin of species using models comprising numerical and alphabetical information and relating that to mind-matter field and its calibrated manifestations - my logic has led me to conclude that both the yogic view as well as Darwinian evolution are plausible mechanisms and I have attempted a novel synthesis of both. More on this later....
I also corresponded with a leading Mind-Matter mainstream scientist, Dr Dean Radin, who happens to be an ex-Jew and a practicing Vedantist, and pointed out certain flaws in his arguments/certain illogic in his conclusions drawn from experimental analysis. He may reply, let me wait and watch.
Rest holds fine, here.
Chillin' with music.
How're you?
Why dont you apply to become one his graduate students?

Maybe he will let you telepath-commute.

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Like the ordinary human need to sleep that I have overcome, I have also overcome the sex urge.
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Trust me, you need to get laid. In a bad way.

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Why dont you apply to become one his graduate students?

Maybe he will let you telepath-commute.
The kind of ideas Dr Dean Radin has about Mind-Matter are tooooo infantile and his conclusions are far from correct in most areas of logic and inferences.

Dr Radin is what I would call a pop mind-matter scientist without a single direct yogic experience to his credit.

His approach is too crass materialistic and his understanding of the fundamental concepts in mind-matter are too superficial.

The people Dr Radin deals with are mostly possessed and have these very undeveloped psi powers of the lower vital minus the yogic experiences.

Dr Radin and his human subjects know nothing about the subtle physical, vital, mind, higher mind, illumined mind, intuition mind, overmind, supramental and still higher planes nor about the dynamic descent of the higher force via direct experiences - if Dr Radin happens to see me during one of those spontaneous yogic experiences when the higher force descends into me with its explicit manifestations of light and heat radiating from my body, upturned or dilated pupils and with almost every touch/thought of mine materializing my intent, he'll enter a state of shock. I think, my very "force-imbued" presence in his lab can upset the functioning of the fine instruments. LOL.

Dr Radin has written an international best seller - The Conscious Universe using mind-matter, QM and yoga explanations - I laughed when I read a few excerpts from his acclaimed book.

Dr Radin says he meditates twice a day since the past ten or so years - I wonder what is meditation is all about. ROFL.

Anyway, best wishes to him in his narrow and flawed approach to mind-matter.

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Trust me, you need to get laid. In a bad way.
ha ha ha

What kind of sex do you want me to indulge in - straight? gay? bestiality?

I am beyond the sex urge.

You don't understand the supramental yoga in its transformational aspect - it's mind boggling and very difficult and rare, yes, it's very rare.

The supramental yoga has the potential to annul every flaw or weakness of nature and being and it has the power to give rise to the next species - the supramental being - who will be very unlike the mental being (man).

I have regular glimpses via direct experiences into the lower phases of the supramental yoga and yes it's superlative and has nothing in common with the usual scriptural nonsense with its silly rituals that ordinary people practice/believe in.

The supramental yoga is way beyond all scriptural nonsense and is the privilege of the rare individual.

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The kind of ideas Dr Dean Radin has about Mind-Matter are tooooo infantile and his conclusions are far from correct in most areas of logic and inferences.
But yet you just described him as a leading mind-matter scientist. You make me dizzy.

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ha ha ha
What kind of sex do you want me to indulge in - straight? gay? bestiality?
I am beyond the sex urge.
You don't understand the supramental yoga in its transformational aspect - it's mind boggling and very difficult and rare, yes, it's very rare.
The supramental yoga has the potential to annul every flaw or weakness of nature and being and it has the power to give rise to the next species - the supramental being - who will be very unlike the mental being (man).
I have regular glimpses via direct experiences into the lower phases of the supramental yoga and yes it's superlative and has nothing in common with the usual scriptural nonsense with its silly rituals that ordinary people practice/believe in.
The supramental yoga is way beyond all scriptural nonsense and is the privilege of the rare individual.
definitely need to get laid.

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