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yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60088 Oct 10, 2013
Eric wrote:
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You call that Marriage. You have a perverted sense of Marriage. I call that slavery. I call that taking the spoils of war. I might go so far as call it rape under today's standards of war.
And if you go on, the passage says that she shall be forced to abandon her ways (discard her raiments) and family; i.e., forced conversion. Only then can there be a marriage. But if you don't like her then you must free her. Why might you not like her? Maybe because she refused to abandon her family and ways.
rabbee: surly you do not know, what this is about. it is about whether the woman is willing to give up her idolatries for The-One G-D or not. if the woman does not accept G-D, there is no way she shall accept you. there is no intercourse with the woman, without acceptance of G-D and you.

there is no forcible rape, involved here. and the chances are, this was not happening by your or her choice anyway. G-D has more to do with this happening, than you don't think. no way any of you, can prevent what G-D, has already pre-approved of.

and you have, a bad attitude against G-D. and there is no point, in your being an enemy of G-D. either you piss G-D off, or you don't. in this whole world, really, really, really pissing G-D off today again here in TheTorah. cause this is all this idolatrous world, against G-D knows how to do.

i guarantee to you, what pissed G-D off thousands and thousands of third or fourth times ago. will still piss, G-D off today.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60089 Oct 10, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Election fraud causes hurricanes...
rabbee: electing someone G-D hates, causes mass murders and global warming.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60090 Oct 10, 2013
and if you elect, someone G-D hates. guess what you, are also? which will eventually cause a world wide flood, with nobody here in TheTorah again.

so technically speaking, G-D has never killed any one here in TheTorah. because of all you, nobodies here in IT again...
Eric

Aurora, IL

#60091 Oct 10, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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there is no forcible rape, involved here. and the chances are, this was not happening by your or her choice anyway. G-D has more to do with this happening, than you don't think. no way any of you, can prevent what G-D, has already pre-approved of.
I didn't rape her. G-d made me do it. Like I said, a perverted idea of marriage.

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#60092 Oct 10, 2013
Hugh is at it again - discussing the filth from the Tanach. Shame.

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#60093 Oct 10, 2013
Fixed ethno-religious type is another misnomer in view of mass inter-racial marriages and the throwing away of religious beliefs in favor of a secular lifestyle or conversion to other faiths. These acts introduce other vibrations and movements in the genes that have kept changing down hundreds of thousands of years (through marriage and changing set of beliefs).

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#60094 Oct 10, 2013
Election fraud causes crooks to be elected to power.

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#60095 Oct 10, 2013
The law is an ass and lawyers are crooks.

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#60096 Oct 10, 2013
Democracy is veiled autocracy.

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#60097 Oct 10, 2013
Who are the so-called chosen people - the Japanese? The Zoroastrians? The Hindus? The Jews? The Christians? The Muslims? The Sikhs?- funnily, each religious group attempts to consider itself the "chosen people" by quoting its scripture or on account of egoism - an exercise in delusion and self-destruction.

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#60098 Oct 10, 2013
Nature is evolutionary with progressive degrees of consciousness emerging in matter from states of involution with the highest range of consciousness with the most radical effects taking perhaps tens of millions of years from now to manifest....and so there will be no Messiah and if one arises he'll be another evil lunatic like all those evil and ignorant patriarchs/prophets of the past.

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#60099 Oct 10, 2013
To get to the present stage of the evolution of consciousness in matter has taken millions if not billions of years and tens of millions of years more will be needed for the highest ranges of consciousness to emerge from states of involution in matter. So, nature is evolutionary and G-d and patriarchs and everyone else being mere formations of conscious energy are as such mere puppets in the hands of the evolutionary forces of nature supreme.

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#60100 Oct 10, 2013
The absolute field of conscious energy is the source of the universes...

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#60101 Oct 10, 2013
Eric has the IQ of a 5 year old, the mind of a fanatic and the morals of a criminal. Shameless pervert.

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#60102 Oct 10, 2013
Nature is evolutionary...and so there will be no Messiah and if one arises he'll be another evil lunatic like all those barbaric and ignorant patriarchs/prophets of the past.

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#60103 Oct 10, 2013
PRINCIPLE OF CONSERVATION & EVOLUTION:

1) The principle of conservation as applied to an isolated system like the universe does away with the crude idea of an extra-cosmic G-d creating the universe from nothing.

2) The evolutionary nature of existence with successive degrees of consciousness emerging in matter from states of involution has abolished the need for a so-called Final Prophet (or should I say, the Final Lunatic).

ROFL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60104 Oct 10, 2013
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What a non-sequitur!
Eric--What a non-sequitur!

HughBe--- It is as you have said ONLY in your head and the heads of other half-wits.

Let me simplify it for you. It is clear to me and ALL native speakers of English that Abraham was concerned about and thus spoke about not having his own BIOLOGICAL child or as he puts it SEED as his heir. YOU cannot get this point and I understand your challenges. So, try the passages below and see if they make a difference in your understanding that SEED means physical OFFSPRING and NOT converts.

By the way, ALL under Abraham's control had to observe God's laws but ALL were NOT promised the land.

"Then Abram said,“O Lord God, what will You give me? For I have NO CHILD. And the one who is to receive what belongs to me is Eliezer of Damascus(CONCERN).Abram said,“Because You have not given me a CHILD(SEED), one born in my house will be given all I have.”

Then the word of the Lord came to him, saying,“This man will not be given what is yours(WILL NOT INHERIT the LAND). BUT he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY will be given what is yours( INHERIT the land.)"

Can you now understand that the land of Israel was given to his SEED meaning PHYSICAL SEED and not your converts?

Do YOU understand "he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY"? I am not very hopefully given that self-deception is DOMINANT in YOU.

Now, had you been a STUDENT of the scriptures you would have known that God said that He knew that Abraham would ensure that ALL under his control meaning children and others would obey His laws. Note, all under his control were NOT promised the land. Did this fact go over your head? Remember Eliezer and Abraham's concern about him inheriting his possessions?

Here is Abraham's complaint or concern again, STUDY it.--

"I am going on childless and he who shall be the owner and heir of my house is this [steward] Eliezer of Damascus?"

Finally, Eliezer and all else would have to OBEY God's laws but the LAND was NOT given to Eliezer and others to inherit, save his SEED /offspring.

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Now reread the previous post which is provided below.

Eric--Torah SAYS that the animals came to the Ark; not that Noah went out and got them.

HughBe--- Torah SAYS---"all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy SEED for ever."

"And Abram said(to Almighty God), Behold, to me thou hast given no SEED: and, lo, one born in my house is mine HEIR."

Clear, COVERTS are NOT SEED.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60105 Oct 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Eric has the IQ of a 5 year old, the mind of a fanatic and the morals of a criminal. Shameless pervert.
I disagree only with the IQ part of your observation.

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#60109 Oct 10, 2013
Scientific research has proven that a global flood never took place and that Noah is a mythical character. LOL.

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#60110 Oct 10, 2013
Scholars believe that Noah was based on the mythical Mesopotamian figure Utnapishtim, who survived a Great Flood by building a boat and was promoted to Godhood for surviving. LOL.

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