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Eric

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Oct 10, 2013
 
Rick Moss wrote:
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"Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."
-- Emo Philips
Of course, Rick, I didn't say that the Israeli Orthodox Rabbis weren't Jews. I said they weren't my Rabbis. They don't represent my political views.
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Speaking collectively the following statement is true.

Statement: Rabbis and Judaism are HOSTILE and are the ADVERSARIES of God Almighty and the Torah.

Example taken from "The Times of Israel"--

" Must I, as a RABBI, explain why I am AGAINST marriages between Jews and foreigners?"

Now, why should a RABBI explain his reasons for being AGAINST inter-marriage? He sits in the seat of God, is INFALLIBLE and cannot be questioned.

His DUMB, BLIND sheep MUST follow his instructions or else even their RABBI given Jewish identity will be taken away from them.

Getting back to the quote, compare the words of the PHARAOH and ADVERSARY to the words of Torah and God Almighty.

Deuteronomy 21: 10-

"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy WIFE;

12 Then thou shalt bring HER HOME to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; ...."

Comment: God that YOU claim to worship and OBEY condones and APPROVES of marriages of Jewish men to non-Jewish women.

On the other hand your god-men have OVERRULED the Torah and the laws of God and are AGAINST it.

Isaiah the prophet spoke of such people/ rabbis in this way "To the law and to the testimony: if they SPEAK not according to this word, it is because there is NO light in them." Isaiah 8:20

YOUR rabbis or more appropriately your PHARAOHS or ENSLAVERS do NOT SPEAK according to the words above because there is NO light in them.

LEAVE the darkness alone and embrace the law.

"O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us WALK in the LIGHT of the Lord" and NOT the darkness of men.
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"Justice Minister Tzipi Livni announced earlier in July that she would weigh disciplinary action against the state-employed Eliyahu.

“A chief rabbi REPRESENTS not just the rabbinate, BUT ISRAEL itself as a COUNTRY. Therefore,[his] rulings and statements that support nationalistic discrimination and have racist undertones are harmful to the already sensitive fabric [of Israeli society] and threaten to deepen the rift between us and Israel’s Arab citizens,” said Livni."

I think about Yosef when I read the Justice Minister's words--

"A chief rabbi REPRESENTS not just the rabbinate, BUT ISRAEL itself as a COUNTRY."

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HughBe wrote:
"Justice Minister Tzipi Livni announced earlier in July that she would weigh disciplinary action against the state-employed Eliyahu.
“A chief rabbi REPRESENTS not just the rabbinate, BUT ISRAEL itself as a COUNTRY. Therefore,[his] rulings and statements that support nationalistic discrimination and have racist undertones are harmful to the already sensitive fabric [of Israeli society] and threaten to deepen the rift between us and Israel’s Arab citizens,” said Livni."
I think about Yosef when I read the Justice Minister's words--
"A chief rabbi REPRESENTS not just the rabbinate, BUT ISRAEL itself as a COUNTRY."
Did you know that the US has a Poet Laureate?

Does that person represent my country?

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HughBe wrote:
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"Racism originated in the Torah,"

said Rabbi Yosef Scheinen, who heads the Ashdod Yeshiva."
Yes, that's correct - the worst form of racism, xenophobia, superstitions, bigotry, violence, tribalism and falsehood are found in Torah and in the rest of the Tanach.

Yet, ironically, you stick to the asura (demon) El-YHVH - the G-d of the Babylonians and of Avraham, Moshe and the other Hebrew patriarchs and of Jesus. Silly Jesus claimed he was an incarnation of the deity of the Tanach. Jesus should have had better sense than to say he was an incarnation of a demon.

Grow, up and reject the falsehood of the Tanach - better you turn atheist than remain a Satan worshipper.

BTW, there's nothing reformist Judaism and the like - these are the apologist, cherry picking sects of observant Jews who're too ashamed of the evil of their scripture and so they reform or pick and choose the nice parts and form a new Judaic cult and still think they're Jews as meant in the biblical sense.

So, if you wish to be an observant Jew the only way to be one is by observing all the customs and teachings in the Tanach with all its foulness. There's no other way to be a true Yahudi.

Forward thinking Jews have rejected their vile ancestral cult which is a laughing stock and an object of derision in refined circles and besides the forward thinking Jews are embarrassed when the talk turns to falsehoods and stupidities like El, shabbath, creation from nothing, global flood, exodus, talking ants, Zionism, genocides, incest, stoning to death, slavery, rape, homophobia, infanticide, kosher, cannibalism, human sacrifice, circumcision and other evils that fill the pages of the "holy" Hebrew Bible (Tanach).

Throw away the Tanach and NT if you've have an iota of love for the truth.

LOL.
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Question, does Hughbe have a monopoly on DERPITUDE?
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Frijoles---Question, does Hughbe have a monopoly on DERPITUDE?

HughBe---The answer is NO. Even the dumb four-footed donkeys know that I sold that monopoly to you and your rabbis at the moment of my conception and all of their spawns now posses it. It is noteworthy that they gladly lapped up the derpitude.

I also learnt that they seized turpitude from the Satan and are loving it.

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Frijoles---Question, does Hughbe have a monopoly on DERPITUDE?
HughBe---The answer is NO. Even the dumb four-footed donkeys know that I sold that monopoly to you and your rabbis at the moment of my conception and all of their spawns now posses it. It is noteworthy that they gladly lapped up the derpitude.
I also learnt that they seized turpitude from the Satan and are loving it.
You protest too much

obviously linked to your lineage
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YOU don't have to be a " Poet Laureate" or any other Laureate to UNDERSTAND that Tanach teaches the OPPOSITE of what rabbis teach in many things and below is another example.

Rabbis LIE: Mother makes YOU Jewish.

Comment: Doctrine is a LIE and DARKNESS.

PROOF: Tanach/Leviticus 24:10-- "And the son of an Israelitish WOMAN, whose father was an Egyptian, went out AMONG the children of ISRAEL: and this son of the Israelitish WOMAN and a man of ISRAEL strove together in the camp;..."

Comment: The WOMAN or MOTHER is JEWISH but her SON is not called JEWISH. He is contrasted with a JEWISH man. Here is how, this Jewish woman's son fought against an ISRAELITE. Those are the plain TRUTH in YOUR bible. This shows that he was NOT considered an ISRAELITE or Jewish.

YOU are BRIGHT and I am telling you that everyone of AVERAGE intelligence can see and understand the point and TRUTH of which I speak.

MY TRUTH is according to the LAW and so it is LIGHT.

The rabbis doctrine is AGAINST the LAW and so "there is no light in them". Note, the them here includes both their FALSE EVIL doctrine and the rabbis themselves.
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Frijoles wrote:
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You protest too much
obviously linked to your lineage
I trust that by now even a CREATURE like you have learnt that although I am NOT a Jew, I have Jewish lineage.

Your anti-Semitic words i.e. calling the Jewish people four-footed DONKEYS, are noted.

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HughBe wrote:
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I trust that by now even a CREATURE like you have learnt that although I am NOT a Jew, I have Jewish lineage.
Your anti-Semitic words i.e. calling the Jewish people four-footed DONKEYS, are noted.
Derptitude of the highest order

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HughBe wrote:
YOU don't have to be a " Poet Laureate" or any other Laureate to UNDERSTAND that Tanach teaches the OPPOSITE of what rabbis teach in many things and below is another example.
That whooshing sound was the sound of my poet laureate post going right over your head.

Wish we could harness it for wind energy

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Me thinks the creature from Jamaica is a teensie weensie high strung these days.

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Me thinks the creature from Jamaica is a teensie weensie high strung these days.
Religion is like fire arms. Perfectly fine in the hands of a responsible adult. Completely unsafe in the hands of a lunatic like Hugh.

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WHAT IS WISDOM?

PART 1:

HUGH the brainwashed and brainless simpleton attaches an intellectual meaning to the profound word wisdom and believes it means making the correct choice.

Wisdom is much more than making a correct choice which from an intellectual standpoint is questionable since the mind in its deductive mode fails to see the entire range of causal links stretching back into the past with its effects being felt in the present and the present action serving as the cause for an effect to be manifested in the future.

An intellectual person can be thoughtful and can, in a superficial manner, think out the solution to a problem/situation or he can observe the result of an action in the life of someone else and base his decisions on that outcome and either benefit or avoid a pitfall as the case maybe.

This is all well and good but it is mere intellectual logic at work with all its incompleteness and imperfections.

Wisdom is not about making a correct or an incorrect correct choice in a mental way but it deals with what must be done or how a thing must be done and in either case the man of wisdom perceives the entire causal chain related to the particular subject under consideration and sees the inter-causal connections with related subjects as well – so, the man of wisdom knows and not simply thinks out a solution.

Perceiving a causal chain means knowing it in its entirety in the context of one’s past, present and future and in terms of roots of personality either in one’s own life or in the life of another or with respect to the place or circumstance.

Wisdom is a direct perception of the causal chains and is not a matter of making an intelligent guess or having a clever thought or making smart inferences.

Wisdom is sagely and bizarre at times and does not appeal to either logic or surface notions of justice and unbias.

A sage who "sees" the causal chain in its entirety stretching from past to present to future with full knowledge of how things will unfurl, when, where and with what effect will give out strange hints or give out the solution that causes the logic-bound mind to rebel or think that the advice proffered is silly or one that incurs a loss.

For instance, a sage may tell Dr M not to step out of his house under any circumstance the day after tomorrow. The words sound ominous but don’t appeal to the logical mind of the "clever" doctor.

Dr M being a man of logic and science will take the advice lightly, brush it aside or his mind will protest since perhaps DR M has a most important professional event to attend which can add much gains to his status or bank account. So, if Dr M is the logical type, he’ll disobey the sagely advice and could also disobey as an act of defiance to prove the sage wrong and so Dr M steps out of his house dressed in a brand new dark suit and quickly gets into his SUV and begins driving when after a time a speeding truck rams into his car and smashes the car as well as the doctor – the doctor loses his life and his logic and science could not save him.

If only he had listened to the sage.

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PART 2:

On the other hand, a naïve villager may well have tremendous faith in the sage and will pay heed to the sage’s advice and avert disaster.

The illiterate or naïve villager knows nothing about yogic perception or logic or science but is saved and lives a long, blessed and happy life.

So, in many ways, the naïve, gullible and ignorant ones benefit far more than the intellectual types when in the company of a sage who has the foresight or the subtle vision of knowing outcomes by perceiving the causal connections.

In another case concerning wisdom, a sage tells Ms C to divorce or separate from her husband and to do it quickly.

She asks him the reason and he simply says that her husband is a vile man who would meet grief in the near future and in the process ruin her life as well.

She is angered and filled with disbelief.

The lady is madly in love with her husband and cannot live without him and so she is angry with the sage and pays no heed to his suggestion.

She may think about his advice in moments of reflection and if she is the religious type may enter a shul or a church to pray to her G-d asking him to keep her husband with her till the end.

Comforted by her superstitious prayer and the superficial relief it gives her and feeling upbeat about sticking to her husband and being encouraged by skeptical types to avoid the sage and discard his advice which in their opinion is mean and cruel, Ms C retreats into her cocoon of sensual catchment to hubby.

After a couple of months or so, she finds the FBI detectives at her doorstep and is surprised at the charges – they say her husband is a satanist who’s deeply involved in human sacrifices and into abetting acts of terror against a certain community. They tell her that they have hard evidence in the matter and take away her husband for questioning. The lady breaks down and prays to her G-d. Her husband is charged with kidnapping, murder and terrorism and gets the death rap and the cops say that Ms C will also face a prison sentence of 3 years for helping her man. She’s puzzled and wonders how this could be so. They tell her that the many late evening errands she carried out on her husband’s advice when he would place parcels in her hands and ask her to deliver it to someone were clear instances of collaboration on her part and so she would now have to face the music.

The man is jailed and awaits the death sentence, while the woman is put into prison for 2 months before she’s released after officials discover that she had played the part of a courier without foreknowledge of the contents of the sealed packages that contained weapons that she delivered to certain persons as directed by her husband.

Ms C is traumatized and her life and marriage are shattered. After a year, her husband is executed.

The sage "knew" about the sinister activities of her husband and the future fatal consequences, while her infatuated and logical mind failed.

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Good night.

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HughBe wrote:
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"Racism originated in the Torah," said Rabbi Yosef Scheinen, who heads the Ashdod Yeshiva."
Question, is RACISM a CRIME?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/top-rabb...
rabbee: what you see happening in TheTorah, was not the result of racism. since the multitudes, represented every known nation. but was the results of either, not being true or being true to G-D. and G-D did not kill all those at mt seeanee, because G-D is anti-semitic. any more than G-D, commanding all those alleged as jews killed in wwii, made G-D a racist. it was still a matter of being or not being true to G-D, here in TheTorah. a lot of jews die, for rebelling against G-D here in TheTorah.
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Religion is like fire arms. Perfectly fine in the hands of a responsible adult. Completely unsafe in the hands of a lunatic like Hugh.
Where do you get your core beliefs and values from?
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Another example of the ENSLAVEMENT and OPPRESSION of the Jewish people by the PHARAOHS also called rabbis.

Rabbis: "The neighbors and acquaintances [of a Jew who sells or RENTS to an Arab] must distance himself from the Jew, REFRAIN from doing business with him, DENY HIM THE RIGHT TO READ FROM THE TORAH, and similarly [ostracize] him UNTIL he goes back from this harmful deed…"

Comment: if an Israeli Jew RENTS or SELLS a house to a fellow Israeli meaning Arab then ALL other Jews must "DENY HIM THE RIGHT TO READ FROM THE TORAH... UNTIL he goes back from this harmful deed(of RENTING a house to his countryman)…"

Torah: "the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"

Where would the STRANGER WITHIN the gates be LIVING? Would these strangers that God spoke of LIVE in the land of Israel?

If so would the Jews provide them with STABLES or PIGSTIES?

Are we living in the 21st century? Is SLAVERY still legal?

FREEEEEEEDOM.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
WHAT IS WISDOM?
PART 1:
HUGH the brainwashed and brainless simpleton attaches an intellectual meaning to the profound word wisdom and believes it means making the correct choice.
Wisdom is much more than making a correct choice which from an intellectual standpoint is questionable since the mind in its deductive mode fails to see the entire range of causal links stretching back into the past with its effects being felt in the present and the present action serving as the cause for an effect to be manifested in the future.
An intellectual person can be thoughtful and can, in a superficial manner, think out the solution to a problem/situation or he can observe the result of an action in the life of someone else and base his decisions on that outcome and either benefit or avoid a pitfall as the case maybe.
This is all well and good but it is mere intellectual logic at work with all its incompleteness and imperfections.
Wisdom is not about making a correct or an incorrect correct choice in a mental way but it deals with what must be done or how a thing must be done and in either case the man of wisdom perceives the entire causal chain related to the particular subject under consideration and sees the inter-causal connections with related subjects as well – so, the man of wisdom knows and not simply thinks out a solution.
Perceiving a causal chain means knowing it in its entirety in the context of one’s past, present and future and in terms of roots of personality either in one’s own life or in the life of another or with respect to the place or circumstance.
Wisdom is a direct perception of the causal chains and is not a matter of making an intelligent guess or having a clever thought or making smart inferences.
Wisdom is sagely and bizarre at times and does not appeal to either logic or surface notions of justice and unbias.
A sage who "sees" the causal chain in its entirety stretching from past to present to future with full knowledge of how things will unfurl, when, where and with what effect will give out strange hints or give out the solution that causes the logic-bound mind to rebel or think that the advice proffered is silly or one that incurs a loss.
For instance, a sage may tell Dr M not to step out of his house under any circumstance the day after tomorrow. The words sound ominous but don’t appeal to the logical mind of the "clever" doctor.
Dr M being a man of logic and science will take the advice lightly, brush it aside or his mind will protest since perhaps DR M has a most important professional event to attend which can add much gains to his status or bank account. So, if Dr M is the logical type, he’ll disobey the sagely advice and could also disobey as an act of defiance to prove the sage wrong and so Dr M steps out of his house dressed in a brand new dark suit and quickly gets into his SUV and begins driving when after a time a speeding truck rams into his car and smashes the car as well as the doctor – the doctor loses his life and his logic and science could not save him.
If only he had listened to the sage.
Joel---HUGH the brainwashed and brainless simpleton attaches an INTELLECTUAL meaning to the profound word wisdom and believes it means making the correct choice.

HughBe-- Thanks for the compliment, dear. The definition of wisdom that I gave you came out of my HEAD. It did not come from a dictionary or elsewhere and so I like the INTELLECTUAL meaning that you spoke of.

My definition was INSPIRED, I believe.

Much love, MON.

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