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#59707 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Tell me the SIZE of the ethnic SEPHARDIC Israeli.
Please don't DODGE the issue. Don't let the SMALL size of this group prevent you from seeing and thus telling me about the number of them.
Google it yourself.

And then deduct from that number the number of Sephards, in Israel, who are not orthodox and dont give a sht.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59708 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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There is a Christian scientist church here that has weekly testimonies of healing through prayer.
The healer has a sister that was healed of polio.
rabbee: well i have prevented billions of people, from getting polio. cause i was a guinea pig, in the salk program. and beyond that i have seen things, you could not possibly believe. without any medical, intervention at all. but i have also seen evangelists, do some pretty remarkable stuff too. the spiritual power of humans involved, is too often disregarded. but it still almost always, takes a persuasive person to unleash it. so it takes the belief of healer, and the healee of the person to be healed. but i still know, it has to be authorized by G-D for it to work. just like it was not, just me and salk. but TheG-D WHO had already authorized it to work. we just happened to show up, where G-D said for it to work.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59709 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

HughBe--- Tell me the SIZE of the ethnic SEPHARDIC Israeli.
Please don't DODGE the issue. Don't let the SMALL size of this group prevent you from seeing and thus telling me about the number of them.
Ethnic Sephardic Israelis represent only 8% of the total Jews in the world.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59710 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
But you are a religious man, a jew.
You believe that god is the creator of the
universe?
Did you observe god create the universe?
rabbee: well not even Noach His-Family, and whoever are the 144,000 animals. because it was too cloudy in day one, to observe it all that happening again. as far as they knew, the sun still shone, and the stars still shined after the clouds lifted. including all of the stars, that have not exploded again yet. how else could the crab nebula, keep always happening again at 1054 ad? and it has to happen again, the very next time G-D gives The-Whole Torah accounting again. G-D does not lie, about creating all of physical totality in the seven man days of day one. if G-D did not do the whole thing again, then G-D would be a liar.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59711 Oct 7, 2013
Read with understanding and note the strategy to LIE by some in order to MASK the NASTINESS and EVIL taught by their masters and of course to try and discredit TRUTH.

They are NOT equipped to achieved the latter.

COR---So you keep saying, but the NUMBERS don't support that assertion.

HughBe--- What NUMBERS are you talking about? Prove that the authors of my quote were LYING.

COR--- But then again, when have you ever let FACTS ever get in the way of a good argument?

HughBe--- Are YOU really calling the authors FABRICATORS. I did NOT say that Yosef changed the political and religious life in Israel the article did.

EXTRACT below is from an Isreali newspaper. Note COR is accusing these JEWS of FABRICATION and LYING. They wrote what follows and COR KNOWS that I was quoting and yet he sought to attribute the information to me. In any event NUMBERS in COR's opinion does not matter to those Jews. They are LIARS, in his opinion. Read and enjoy.

"The looming death of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, an iconoclastic religious figure who changed Israel’s political and religious landscape"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-443...

" He is considered by his followers – directly, ultra-Orthodox Sephardic public, and indirectly, the wider religious society – as a master sage, or Maran, and the generation’s greatest authority on religious law. Hence, his health is no laughing matter"

By the way, here is some information about COR's LIARS and my SOURCE, "Ynetnews is Israel's most comprehensive, authoritative daily source for 24/7 breaking news & current events from Israel and Jewish content online."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59712 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Ethnic Sephardic Israelis represent only 8% of the total Jews in the world.
Thanks Eric but the question had to do with Israel and if you want to expand it then it would include the RELIGIOUS population of Jews who embrace JUDAISM.

Provide the numbers for Israel as a start.

Since: Aug 11

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#59713 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh-- Is your Christian Senator regarded as the GREATEST sage even by his congregants?
COR--To many conservative, the answer is Yes.
HughBe--- Support needed.
...
HughBe-- He is a nobody when compared to Yosef who CHANGED the religious and political life in Israel.
COR---So you keep saying, but the numbers don't support that assertion.
HughBe--- What numbers are you talking about? Prove that the authors of my quote were LYING.
...
HughBe---Has your Christian Senator CHANGED the religious and political life in the US?
COR---Yes.
HughBe--- Give me ONE link from a reputable source that will support your feelings.
...
HughBe--- Give me the NEGATIVE words of Helms that he taught to his followers and tell me the influence that he had over them.
...
COR--- It's not what you say about Yosef that makes you anti-semitic. It's your tendency to use his words to cast blanket aspersions against all who practice Judaism.
HughBe--- PROVE it.
...
You're a big boy, Hugh (or so I thought). You know how Google works ( www.google.com ), right?. I've provided links and snippets of articles, which you quite conveniently ignore. The onus is now on you to do your own research.
HughBe wrote:
COR--- It's when you use an individual's words to make unjustified generalizations that makes you anti-semitic. Why can't you go practice your own religion in peace and leave the Jews or others alone to practice as they see fit?
HughBe --- Listen well young COR. When your rabbis teach their followers to HATE ALL non-Jews it matters to me.
MY Rabbis? You must be having a senior moment. Have you forgotten I'm not Jewish?
HughBe wrote:
When they teach ALL of the nastiness that I have highlighted it matters to me.
They? There you go with the generalizations again. Maybe we should condemn ALL Christians too because of a few bad eggs. What do you think?
HughBe wrote:
YOU are comfortable in NASTINESS but I am NOT. The world should NOT overlook the HATE teachings of ANY group including the hate ejaculated by your former masters.
What about the HATE ejaculated by Jesse Helms and other leading Evangelical leaders in the US? Why haven't you spoken up about them? Oh, that's right, because your religious bigotry is ONLY geared towards the Jews. The "Christians" get a free pass.
HughBe wrote:
I have no beef with Jews, youngster. I have a PROBLEM with the HATE taught by anyone and your masters are NOT special and so will not be excluded from being highlighted.
So, go stick your head in the sand or elsewhere but I shall highlight their HATEFUL and RACISTS teachings.
Bravo. Grade A performance. You get the part of the anti-Semitic bigot, hands down.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59714 Oct 7, 2013
COR, I want you to reconcile your LIE with MY post below.

COR's LIE---It's your tendency to use his words to cast BLANKET aspersions against ALL who practice Judaism.

HughBe to Liam (post 59500)---The relevance of size is to determine span of INFLUENCE in country as well as in his RELIGION i.e. Yosef and Judaism.

Now of the over 2 BILLION Christian what % followed Moon?

Of the RELIGIOUS Jews of Judaism what % was affiliated to Yosef's Judaism?

----------

Tell me COR are you a TOTAL idiot or just an EVIL person?

Reconcile YOUR "BLANKET aspersions against ALL who practice Judaism. "

TO my " determine span of INFLUENCE in country as well as in his RELIGION" and MY "Of the RELIGIOUS Jews of Judaism what % was affiliated to Yosef's Judaism?"

Which JACKASS can reconcile your words to my two points? Perhaps you and your rabbis but no one else.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59715 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Eric but the question had to do with Israel and if you want to expand it then it would include the RELIGIOUS population of Jews who embrace JUDAISM.
Provide the numbers for Israel as a start.
I answered the question you posed. You asked for the size of the Sephardic Israelis. There size is 8% of the Jews in the world. That shows you how little influence this Rabbi had in worldwide Jewry. And, that assumes that ALL Israeli Sephardi backed him and his outlandish viewpoint. His viewpoint is like a mouse fart in the middle of Time Square.

Which is the point both Frijoles and I are making. I never heard of him. Moreover, as I have oft said, being a Reform Jew I care not what the Israeli Orthodox say.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59716 Oct 7, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a big boy, Hugh (or so I thought). You know how Google works ( www.google.com ), right?. I've provided links and snippets of articles, which you quite conveniently ignore. The onus is now on you to do your own research.
<quoted text>
MY Rabbis? You must be having a senior moment. Have you forgotten I'm not Jewish?
<quoted text>
They? There you go with the generalizations again. Maybe we should condemn ALL Christians too because of a few bad eggs. What do you think?
<quoted text>
What about the HATE ejaculated by Jesse Helms and other leading Evangelical leaders in the US? Why haven't you spoken up about them? Oh, that's right, because your religious bigotry is ONLY geared towards the Jews. The "Christians" get a free pass.
<quoted text>
Bravo. Grade A performance. You get the part of the anti-Semitic bigot, hands down.
Try and deal with ALL my points intelligently and honestly.

Give it another try. No more half-baked BS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59717 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered the question you posed. You asked for the size of the Sephardic Israelis. There size is 8% of the Jews in the world. That shows you how little influence this Rabbi had in worldwide Jewry. And, that assumes that ALL Israeli Sephardi backed him and his outlandish viewpoint. His viewpoint is like a mouse fart in the middle of Time Square.
Which is the point both Frijoles and I are making. I never heard of him. Moreover, as I have oft said, being a Reform Jew I care not what the Israeli Orthodox say.
You are joking and wasting my time.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59718 Oct 7, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You're confusing Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) with citric acid....
They are two different compounds....
Understand?
rabbee: vitamin c, comprised of ascorbic and dihydroascorbic acids. they are both considered as ascorbic acids. both are the product, of the slight controled oxidation of fermented fructose sugar.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59719 Oct 7, 2013
I shall be back later to see if any honest attempt has been made to have a truthful discussion.

I don't have the appetite for the slippery.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59720 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
???
No, I am not talking about C. I am talking about citrate.
Look it up. Google citrate and kidney stones. Its one of the few things clinically proven to reduce risk for oxalate stones.
rabbee: well you would be also correct, in saying an ascorbate. vitamin c; l-ascorbate, and d-ascorbate.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59721 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If you have health insurance now you are already paying for someone elses health care, and after Obama care you are paying for someone elses health care so it begs the question, you don't have a problem with government putting a gun to someones head to buy a service or product.
rabbee: well not quite, under my present health care plan, i do not have to pay for those who can't afford to pay for it. i have an excellent health care plan, that pays for everything for only $26 a month. now under obama care, i'll be paying over 15 times the amount, for a much worse health care plan. and i cannot expect this federal government that can't do any thing right. to do any more, not right by this.

Since: Apr 13

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#59722 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
I shall be back later to see if any honest attempt has been made to have a truthful discussion.
I don't have the appetite for the slippery.
If you are not getting the response you want, stop the socratic bs. If you have a point to make, make it. I'm not going to make your points for you. Israeli Sephardic Jews are but a small fraction of the Jews in the world. Their leadership, therefore, has no impact outside of their own community.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59723 Oct 7, 2013
damn it. forgot to turn off the profile that can receive messages. haven't used it since April and pulled it out this morning.
Voluntarist

United States

#59724 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
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You are a doomsayer. You say it won't work. It's not supposed to break even. It's to have everyone pay their fair share with the government picking up the rest through tax credits. I no longer wish to pay for healthcare for people who are able to contribute toward their own care, but don't.
And, you know what they say. There are only 2 things we are forced to do. Die and pay taxes. This is the latter.
You are an attorney you should know better, I said it won't work THAT WAY.
Government is bloated and inefficient, that is mainly because of the coercive way that they do business.
If their support was performance based they would be out of business by now.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59725 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Come now, a hundred dollar fine is hardly a gun to ones head. Your rhetoric is bombastic.
rabbee: fine for those, not on a limited income. but just remember, the average age of this society, is not getting younger. sooner or later, your still going to have a lot fewer, paying for the many in this pyramid scheme. what looks good now, may not look near as good, with your share doubling every ten years. and this does not diminish, the size of an overbearing government. sooner or later, your going to run out of other peoples money, in any pyramid scheme.
Voluntarist

United States

#59726 Oct 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well not quite, under my present health care plan, i do not have to pay for those who can't afford to pay for it. i have an excellent health care plan, that pays for everything for only $26 a month. now under obama care, i'll be paying over 15 times the amount, for a much worse health care plan. and i cannot expect this federal government that can't do any thing right. to do any more, not right by this.
Sounds very affordable, I guess the affordable health care act worked for you.
I have a friend self employed, insurance going up 37% to almost $1200 per month.
Very affordable.

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