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#59713 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh-- Is your Christian Senator regarded as the GREATEST sage even by his congregants?
COR--To many conservative, the answer is Yes.
HughBe--- Support needed.
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HughBe-- He is a nobody when compared to Yosef who CHANGED the religious and political life in Israel.
COR---So you keep saying, but the numbers don't support that assertion.
HughBe--- What numbers are you talking about? Prove that the authors of my quote were LYING.
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HughBe---Has your Christian Senator CHANGED the religious and political life in the US?
COR---Yes.
HughBe--- Give me ONE link from a reputable source that will support your feelings.
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HughBe--- Give me the NEGATIVE words of Helms that he taught to his followers and tell me the influence that he had over them.
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COR--- It's not what you say about Yosef that makes you anti-semitic. It's your tendency to use his words to cast blanket aspersions against all who practice Judaism.
HughBe--- PROVE it.
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You're a big boy, Hugh (or so I thought). You know how Google works ( www.google.com ), right?. I've provided links and snippets of articles, which you quite conveniently ignore. The onus is now on you to do your own research.
HughBe wrote:
COR--- It's when you use an individual's words to make unjustified generalizations that makes you anti-semitic. Why can't you go practice your own religion in peace and leave the Jews or others alone to practice as they see fit?
HughBe --- Listen well young COR. When your rabbis teach their followers to HATE ALL non-Jews it matters to me.
MY Rabbis? You must be having a senior moment. Have you forgotten I'm not Jewish?
HughBe wrote:
When they teach ALL of the nastiness that I have highlighted it matters to me.
They? There you go with the generalizations again. Maybe we should condemn ALL Christians too because of a few bad eggs. What do you think?
HughBe wrote:
YOU are comfortable in NASTINESS but I am NOT. The world should NOT overlook the HATE teachings of ANY group including the hate ejaculated by your former masters.
What about the HATE ejaculated by Jesse Helms and other leading Evangelical leaders in the US? Why haven't you spoken up about them? Oh, that's right, because your religious bigotry is ONLY geared towards the Jews. The "Christians" get a free pass.
HughBe wrote:
I have no beef with Jews, youngster. I have a PROBLEM with the HATE taught by anyone and your masters are NOT special and so will not be excluded from being highlighted.
So, go stick your head in the sand or elsewhere but I shall highlight their HATEFUL and RACISTS teachings.
Bravo. Grade A performance. You get the part of the anti-Semitic bigot, hands down.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59714 Oct 7, 2013
COR, I want you to reconcile your LIE with MY post below.

COR's LIE---It's your tendency to use his words to cast BLANKET aspersions against ALL who practice Judaism.

HughBe to Liam (post 59500)---The relevance of size is to determine span of INFLUENCE in country as well as in his RELIGION i.e. Yosef and Judaism.

Now of the over 2 BILLION Christian what % followed Moon?

Of the RELIGIOUS Jews of Judaism what % was affiliated to Yosef's Judaism?

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Tell me COR are you a TOTAL idiot or just an EVIL person?

Reconcile YOUR "BLANKET aspersions against ALL who practice Judaism. "

TO my " determine span of INFLUENCE in country as well as in his RELIGION" and MY "Of the RELIGIOUS Jews of Judaism what % was affiliated to Yosef's Judaism?"

Which JACKASS can reconcile your words to my two points? Perhaps you and your rabbis but no one else.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59715 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Thanks Eric but the question had to do with Israel and if you want to expand it then it would include the RELIGIOUS population of Jews who embrace JUDAISM.
Provide the numbers for Israel as a start.
I answered the question you posed. You asked for the size of the Sephardic Israelis. There size is 8% of the Jews in the world. That shows you how little influence this Rabbi had in worldwide Jewry. And, that assumes that ALL Israeli Sephardi backed him and his outlandish viewpoint. His viewpoint is like a mouse fart in the middle of Time Square.

Which is the point both Frijoles and I are making. I never heard of him. Moreover, as I have oft said, being a Reform Jew I care not what the Israeli Orthodox say.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59716 Oct 7, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You're a big boy, Hugh (or so I thought). You know how Google works ( www.google.com ), right?. I've provided links and snippets of articles, which you quite conveniently ignore. The onus is now on you to do your own research.
<quoted text>
MY Rabbis? You must be having a senior moment. Have you forgotten I'm not Jewish?
<quoted text>
They? There you go with the generalizations again. Maybe we should condemn ALL Christians too because of a few bad eggs. What do you think?
<quoted text>
What about the HATE ejaculated by Jesse Helms and other leading Evangelical leaders in the US? Why haven't you spoken up about them? Oh, that's right, because your religious bigotry is ONLY geared towards the Jews. The "Christians" get a free pass.
<quoted text>
Bravo. Grade A performance. You get the part of the anti-Semitic bigot, hands down.
Try and deal with ALL my points intelligently and honestly.

Give it another try. No more half-baked BS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59717 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I answered the question you posed. You asked for the size of the Sephardic Israelis. There size is 8% of the Jews in the world. That shows you how little influence this Rabbi had in worldwide Jewry. And, that assumes that ALL Israeli Sephardi backed him and his outlandish viewpoint. His viewpoint is like a mouse fart in the middle of Time Square.
Which is the point both Frijoles and I are making. I never heard of him. Moreover, as I have oft said, being a Reform Jew I care not what the Israeli Orthodox say.
You are joking and wasting my time.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59718 Oct 7, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
You're confusing Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) with citric acid....
They are two different compounds....
Understand?
rabbee: vitamin c, comprised of ascorbic and dihydroascorbic acids. they are both considered as ascorbic acids. both are the product, of the slight controled oxidation of fermented fructose sugar.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59719 Oct 7, 2013
I shall be back later to see if any honest attempt has been made to have a truthful discussion.

I don't have the appetite for the slippery.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59720 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
???
No, I am not talking about C. I am talking about citrate.
Look it up. Google citrate and kidney stones. Its one of the few things clinically proven to reduce risk for oxalate stones.
rabbee: well you would be also correct, in saying an ascorbate. vitamin c; l-ascorbate, and d-ascorbate.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59721 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If you have health insurance now you are already paying for someone elses health care, and after Obama care you are paying for someone elses health care so it begs the question, you don't have a problem with government putting a gun to someones head to buy a service or product.
rabbee: well not quite, under my present health care plan, i do not have to pay for those who can't afford to pay for it. i have an excellent health care plan, that pays for everything for only $26 a month. now under obama care, i'll be paying over 15 times the amount, for a much worse health care plan. and i cannot expect this federal government that can't do any thing right. to do any more, not right by this.

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#59722 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
I shall be back later to see if any honest attempt has been made to have a truthful discussion.
I don't have the appetite for the slippery.
If you are not getting the response you want, stop the socratic bs. If you have a point to make, make it. I'm not going to make your points for you. Israeli Sephardic Jews are but a small fraction of the Jews in the world. Their leadership, therefore, has no impact outside of their own community.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59723 Oct 7, 2013
damn it. forgot to turn off the profile that can receive messages. haven't used it since April and pulled it out this morning.
Voluntarist

United States

#59724 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
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You are a doomsayer. You say it won't work. It's not supposed to break even. It's to have everyone pay their fair share with the government picking up the rest through tax credits. I no longer wish to pay for healthcare for people who are able to contribute toward their own care, but don't.
And, you know what they say. There are only 2 things we are forced to do. Die and pay taxes. This is the latter.
You are an attorney you should know better, I said it won't work THAT WAY.
Government is bloated and inefficient, that is mainly because of the coercive way that they do business.
If their support was performance based they would be out of business by now.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59725 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Come now, a hundred dollar fine is hardly a gun to ones head. Your rhetoric is bombastic.
rabbee: fine for those, not on a limited income. but just remember, the average age of this society, is not getting younger. sooner or later, your still going to have a lot fewer, paying for the many in this pyramid scheme. what looks good now, may not look near as good, with your share doubling every ten years. and this does not diminish, the size of an overbearing government. sooner or later, your going to run out of other peoples money, in any pyramid scheme.
Voluntarist

United States

#59726 Oct 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well not quite, under my present health care plan, i do not have to pay for those who can't afford to pay for it. i have an excellent health care plan, that pays for everything for only $26 a month. now under obama care, i'll be paying over 15 times the amount, for a much worse health care plan. and i cannot expect this federal government that can't do any thing right. to do any more, not right by this.
Sounds very affordable, I guess the affordable health care act worked for you.
I have a friend self employed, insurance going up 37% to almost $1200 per month.
Very affordable.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59727 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Still a gun, but you actually think it will always be $100?
rabbee: right now, even on my limited income. it is still cheaper to pay the $100. cause the $100 +$26, for my health insurance. is still cheaper than the $386 of obama care. and i do not expect the $386, to not go higher and higher. i figure in ten years, it will cost over $700, and maybe even higher, with the inflation it causes. it's even worse than the pay only as long as you are well plan. that was supposed to encourage, doctors to get you well as fast as possible without killing you.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59728 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Its not a gun. People are free to make a rational decision. Coverage or a small fine/tax. The fine/tax is tiny, its not a hard decision to forgo coverage if one is predisposed. Hardly a gun to their head.
Its not my place to speculate as to what the tax will be in the future. What I do know is that insurance premiums and deductibles are not fixed, either, rather they are rising at a rapid rate.
rabbee: sorry but it is still, aiding and abetting to a religious idolatry. in their establishment of their, churches against G-D. and i have not, seen a rise in my insurance premiums in 20 years.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59729 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Google it yourself.
And then deduct from that number the number of Sephards, in Israel, who are not orthodox and dont give a sht.
rabbee: it is a lot easier, to figure out how many are true to G-D, in ysrael and the world still here in TheTorah. because TheG-D of Only, TheTorah does not lie.

i figure that adam and his mate, should have at least about seven billion grandchildren, here in TheTorah. but i have yet to find even one, here in TheTorah today. still leaving adam all alone, here in TheTorah from HaShem G-D - TheG-D of Only TheTorah.

the jewish error of a new testament tanach, could be hazardous to everyone else wanting one.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#59730 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Sounds very affordable, I guess the affordable health care act worked for you.
I have a friend self employed, insurance going up 37% to almost $1200 per month.
Very affordable.
I find it very hard to believe that premiums are that much. Unless he doesnt qualify for a subsidy. Or lives out of our state.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59731 Oct 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I answered the question you posed. You asked for the size of the Sephardic Israelis. There size is 8% of the Jews in the world. That shows you how little influence this Rabbi had in worldwide Jewry. And, that assumes that ALL Israeli Sephardi backed him and his outlandish viewpoint. His viewpoint is like a mouse fart in the middle of Time Square.
Which is the point both Frijoles and I are making. I never heard of him. Moreover, as I have oft said, being a Reform Jew I care not what the Israeli Orthodox say.
That all said, I have been researching him. Actually, he views are more on the liberal side of the orthodox "relatively" speaking. He did say some outlandish things that are obvious disagreeable, but his basic approach is more liberal. Which was why he had a following among some of the more moderate mizrachim, and seemed to piss off the haredi ashkenazim.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59732 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
I shall be back later to see if any honest attempt has been made to have a truthful discussion.
I don't have the appetite for the slippery.
You ask questions, we either answer them or point you towrds the internet, and you respond negatively.

At some point you either need to stop throwing a hissy fit or find a new medium to play with. Because this one sure isnt working out for ya.

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