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Voluntarist

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#59579 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know the kind of retail you were into when you conducted those 3 businesses that you subsequently abandoned for whatever reasons. Now, you have 2 service businesses. I don't know what kind of services you offer - body massages? pubic hair trims? toilet cleaning? laundry?. So, I can't comment. However, your businesses are the typical small enterprises and besides you've been busy jumping from one business to another with the folding up of each business due to loss or whatever reason.
Actually your comprehension is a little off.
I started with one in 1990 and grew to 3.

Small enterprises are fine with me, especially when they are that profitable.
Every product has a life cycle, that one was replaced and everyone jumped on the ban wagon.

A span of over 20 years I wouldn't call jumping from one to the other.

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#59580 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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<quoted text>

Actually your comprehension is a little off.
I started with one in 1990 and grew to 3.
Small enterprises are fine with me, especially when they are that profitable.

Every product has a life cycle, that one was replaced and everyone jumped on the ban wagon.

A span of over 20 years I wouldn't call jumping from one to the other.
Ok, good for you.

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#59581 Oct 4, 2013
SHALOM-NAMASTE MAHATMA MOSES:

Indian Bene Israel Jew, Samson Koletkar, better known as Mahatma Moses, is a standup comedian in San Francisco and was born in Mumbai and raised Jewish. He holds a master's degree in computer engineering from Mumbai University.
Voluntarist

United States

#59582 Oct 4, 2013
Then, of course, there's kidney stones. And then there's bone
spurs, heel spurs, and calcium deposits . Again, physicians will
tell you the first thing to give up officially is calcium and dairy,
because they have this foolish belief, the stupid belief, the
ignorant belief that the kidney stones, bone spurs, heel spurs,
and calcium deposits come from your diet, when instead it only
comes from your bones when you have a raging Osteoporosis.
And when you get these things, you need more calcium , not
less.
Voluntarist

United States

#59583 Oct 4, 2013
We learned a
thousand years ago in the agricultural industry, if you want to
prevent kidney stones in livestock, you had better give them more
calcium. You had better give them more magnesium, and more
boron. Now the reason is, of course, bulls and rams, male cattle
and sheep, have special anatomy, when they get a kidney stone,
they die. It's called water belly. They die. When you and I get a
kidney stone, we just wish we were dead. But no farmer is dumb
enough to pay for the feed for an animal, and have it die before
he can either eat it or send it to market. So we learned how to
prevent those things. So you should have gotten a recall notice
from your doctor, especially those people who have had kidney
stones. Your urologist should have sent the notice to you.
This was about 15 months ago, March, 1993, it says, "Calcium
limits kidney stone risk." This is from the Harvard Medical School
in Boston. "In a study that turns conventional medical wisdom on
its head, researchers have found that people whose diets are rich
in calcium run a reduced risk of developing kidney stones. A study
of more than 45,000 people who are ranked in the 5 categories,
the group that had the most calcium had no kidney stones." So it
took them a thousand years to catch up.

http://www.whale.to/a/dead_doctors.html

Since: May 12

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#59584 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Good night. Time to take my medicines and to relax a little.
But how...? A self claimed Yogi that has the cosciousness force growing in him everyday needs to call a doctor and take some meds, like the most ordinary human being? LOL

Je suis désolé. LOL

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#59585 Oct 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Dr Wallech has more research on it than you shit face again, the proof is in the pudding.
I have survived several of these, and you are FOS. You follow wives tales.

Go back to the science

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#59586 Oct 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely not, kidney stones are formed BECAUSE of a calcium deficiency.
Fool, there are several forms of stones, most of them that dont even HAVE calcium as a constituent.
Voluntarist

United States

#59587 Oct 5, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Fool, there are several forms of stones, most of them that dont even HAVE calcium as a constituent.
Calcium stones being the most common, dont yell at me take that up with Harvard.

You are an old school jackass.

Here is another one,
Cholesterol has nothing to do with getting heart disease.
Take that in your tuckus and smoke it!
Voluntarist

United States

#59588 Oct 5, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I have survived several of these, and you are FOS. You follow wives tales.
Go back to the science
Take extra calcium and you will have a better chance not to get them.

Does your husband get them as well?

Since: May 13

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#59589 Oct 5, 2013
CALCIUM INTAKE & FORMATION OF CALCIUM OXALATE:

Since the oxalate anions are more reactive than the relatively stable calcium cations thus more free calcium ions in the urine would mean more chemical reactions between calcium and oxalate ions forming calcium oxalate stones.

Besides, sodium can cause the leaching of calcium ions from bones and from stable calcium compounds into the urine.

So, if less free calcium ions are available in the kidneys with a view to decreasing the formation of calcium oxalate crystals then sodium intake should be minimized.

Sodium is higher up the activity series than calcium and so sodium (Group I A alkali metal) is more reactive than calcium (Group II A alkaline earth metal) and as a result it can displace calcium ions in a chemical compound and take its place.

Since: May 13

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#59590 Oct 5, 2013
NOTE:

Calcium stones form when urine is supersaturated with the constituent ions that comprise the stone. Hence, supersaturation with calcium and oxalate ions will promote the formation of calcium oxalate stones. Supersaturation of urine with calcium and phosphate ions will promote the formation of calcium phosphate stones. Supersaturation occurs when the product of the ionic activity of calcium [Ca2+]a and oxalate [Oxalate2&#8722;] exceeds the solubility product for calcium oxalate (SP1); or the product of the ionic activity of calcium [Ca2+]a and phosphate [HPO4 2&#8722;]a exceeds the solubility product for calcium phosphate (SP2)

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#59593 Oct 5, 2013
1) You MAY decrease your risk kidney stones by increasing your intake of dairy products.

2) Yet, you MAY increase your risk of developing those painful stones by taking calcium supplements.

Since: May 13

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#59594 Oct 5, 2013
The Harvard researchers cite three possible explanations for the findings:



1) Dietary calcium somehow reduces the amount of oxalate, one of the components of kidney stones, absorbed by the body.


2) Taking calcium supplements at breakfast or between meals somehow spills too much calcium into the urine.


3) There may be some other property in dairy products that reduces the risk of stone formation.

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#59595 Oct 5, 2013
HIGHLIGHT:

A low sodium diet can help prevent calcium kidney stones.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59596 Oct 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
We learned a
thousand years ago in the agricultural industry, if you want to
prevent kidney stones in livestock, you had better give them more
calcium. You had better give them more magnesium, and more
boron. Now the reason is, of course, bulls and rams, male cattle
and sheep, have special anatomy, when they get a kidney stone,
they die. It's called water belly. They die. When you and I get a
kidney stone, we just wish we were dead. But no farmer is dumb
enough to pay for the feed for an animal, and have it die before
he can either eat it or send it to market. So we learned how to
prevent those things. So you should have gotten a recall notice
from your doctor, especially those people who have had kidney
stones. Your urologist should have sent the notice to you.
This was about 15 months ago, March, 1993, it says, "Calcium
limits kidney stone risk." This is from the Harvard Medical School
in Boston. "In a study that turns conventional medical wisdom on
its head, researchers have found that people whose diets are rich
in calcium run a reduced risk of developing kidney stones. A study
of more than 45,000 people who are ranked in the 5 categories,
the group that had the most calcium had no kidney stones." So it
took them a thousand years to catch up.
http://www.whale.to/a/dead_doctors.html
rabbee: calcium oxalate, is not absorbed through the intestines. only the soluble oxalic acid, is absorbed. calcium oxalate crystals that is formed prior to the intestines, will pass on. consuming calcium supplements hours prior to ingestion of oxalic acid, may increase the risk of insoluble calcium oxalate crystal growth. and calcium is not the problem, it is oxalic acid or to lesser degree uric acids that are the problem. and uric acid stones, is usually associated with gout.

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#59597 Oct 5, 2013
BOTTOM LINE - CALCIUM INTAKE AND KIDNEY STONES:

1) Less calcium intake means more oxalate ions are free to enter the urine and bind with free calcium in solution forming stones.

2) Oxalate ions are more reactive than calcium ions and so the trick is to prevent free oxalate ions from entering the kidneys in excess amounts where they're most likely to bind with free calcium ions to form calcium oxalate stones.

3) Increasing dietary calcium intake would mean that most of the oxalate ions get compounded with the calcium and thus prevent a large number of free oxalate ions from entering the kidney.

4) Sodium intake should be minimized since sodium being more reactive than calcium (as sodium is higher up the activity series) can displace calcium ions from compounds there by causing free calcium ions to enter the kidneys where they can bond with free oxalate ions to form calcium oxalate crystals or kidney stones.

5) Intake of calcium supplements should be minimized since this form of calcium is SOMEHOW more likely to remain in the free state and so more likely to bond with free oxalate ions in the kidneys to form the calcium oxalate stones.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#59599 Oct 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Calcium stones being the most common, dont yell at me take that up with Harvard.
You are an old school jackass.
Here is another one,
Cholesterol has nothing to do with getting heart disease.
Take that in your tuckus and smoke it!
Dingbat,
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Treatment and Prevention of Kidney Stones: An Update

LYNDA FRASSETTO, MD, University of California School of Medicine, San Francisco, California
INGRID KOHLSTADT, MD, MPH, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland
Am Fam Physician. 2011 Dec 1;84(11):1234-1242.

"...The incidence of nephrolithiasis (kidney stones) is rising worldwide, especially in women and with increasing age. Kidney stones are associated with chronic kidney disease. Preventing recurrence is largely specific to the type of stone (e.g., calcium oxalate, calcium phosphate, cystine, struvite [magnesium ammonium phosphate]), and uric acid stones); however, even when the stone cannot be retrieved, urine pH and 24-hour urine assessment provide information about stone-forming factors that can guide prevention. Medications, such as protease inhibitors, antibiotics, and some diuretics, increase the risk of some types of kidney stones, and patients should be counseled about the risks of using these medications. Managing diet, medication use, and nutrient intake can help prevent the formation of kidney stones. Obesity increases the risk of kidney stones. However, weight loss could undermine prevention of kidney stones if associated with a high animal protein intake, laxative abuse, rapid loss of lean tissue, or poor hydration. For prevention of calcium oxalate, cystine, and uric acid stones, urine should be alkalinized by eating a diet high in fruits and vegetables, taking supplemental or prescription citrate, or drinking alkaline mineral waters. For prevention of calcium phosphate and struvite stones, urine should be acidified; cranberry juice or betaine can lower urine pH. Antispasmodic medications, ureteroscopy, and metabolic testing are increasingly being used to augment fluid and pain medications in the acute management of kidney stones...."

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HOW CAN URINE BE ALKALINIZED (HIGHER URINE PH)?

For prevention of calcium oxalate, cystine, and uric acid stones, urine should be alkalinized.45,46 Western diets are characteristically high in acid-producing foods, such as grains, dairy products, legumes, and meat. Alkalinizing urine involves eating a diet high in fruits and vegetables, taking supplemental or prescription citrate, or drinking alkaline mineral waters.1

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59600 Oct 5, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
BOTTOM LINE - CALCIUM INTAKE AND KIDNEY STONES:
1) Less calcium intake means more oxalate ions are free to enter the urine and bind with free calcium in solution forming stones.
2) Oxalate ions are more reactive than calcium ions and so the trick is to prevent free oxalate ions from entering the kidneys in excess amounts where they're most likely to bind with free calcium ions to form calcium oxalate stones.
3) Increasing dietary calcium intake would mean that most of the oxalate ions get compounded with the calcium and thus prevent a large number of free oxalate ions from entering the kidney.
4) Sodium intake should be minimized since sodium being more reactive than calcium (as sodium is higher up the activity series) can displace calcium ions from compounds there by causing free calcium ions to enter the kidneys where they can bond with free oxalate ions to form calcium oxalate crystals or kidney stones.
5) Intake of calcium supplements should be minimized since this form of calcium is SOMEHOW more likely to remain in the free state and so more likely to bond with free oxalate ions in the kidneys to form the calcium oxalate stones.
With a western diet, it is almost impossible to be deficient in calcium. SO this information is interesting but not applicable.

AFter a kidney stone episode, most urologists analyze your urine volume and composition. Composition will rule in or rule out metabolic issues. Volume will rule in if you need to drink more water. Furthermore, if you were lucky enoygh to capture the stone, sending it out to the lab is important to see which type it is, as not all are oxalates. A lot of what you read in the pop media (Volunterist for example) is actually CONTRAINDICATIVE if your stone is not an oxalate.

Obviously Volunteerist never had experience with a stone.

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#59601 Oct 5, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
2) Yet, you MAY increase your risk of developing those painful stones by taking calcium supplements.
personally, I am of the school of thought that we over supplement our diet with vitamins, leading to strange things such as Kidney stones.

Look at any Milk or Cereal or Energy Bar in the US. Maybe if all we had was ONE of these things daily, it would be ok, but in a typical day, one might eat an energy bar, have cereal, and milk, which is 3X the vitamins at the end of the day.

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