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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59229 Sep 30, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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1. Sorry Hugh, but two can play the Socratic game. So tell me, who has influence over more people, the one or two Jews that you have quoted, or any one of the top 25 evangelicals I have referenced for you?
2. If someone self-identifies as Christian, then they are a Christian. You don't get to play the "No True Scotsman" fallacy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman ) whenever you come across someone that makes your side look bad and defeats your argument.
1. You need to desist with this JEW reference when speaking with me. I am talking about JUDAISM a RELIGION. I am NOT talking about people who do not belong to Judaism. I am NOT talking about Jews who are CHRISTIANS or Jews who are into Eastern religions etc.

2. I did NOT quote TWO sources.I quoted many and you can get more.

3. The EPIDEMIC quote was from a SECULAR Jewish source.

4. Regardless of how you and others feel, Jesus and the bible are very clear as to who is and is NOT a Christian. FEELINGS are irrelevant.

5. If you want to be a Christian I shall tell you how to become one.

6. Here is a first step. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus, the Christ.

7. HATING is TOTALLY contrary to Christianity. NO ONE who HATES others will be REGARDED as a Christian, by GOD Almighty. Take that as Gospel and waste no more time with your ill-informed position or agenda driven position.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59230 Sep 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is head of Shas. That is a political party located in Israel, not world Jewry as a whole.
Please address the questions and other comments.

Who is the man? What sect of Judaism was he the HEAD of? Tell me about the scope of his influence and that of his sect. Explain the quotes below and expand on them by way of more information.

Hint:" Ovadia Yosef, born as Ovadia Yosef or Abdullah Youssef in his native language, is the former Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL, a recognised Talmudic scholar and foremost halakhic authority"
"He CURRENTLY serves as the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli PALIAMENT"
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59231 Sep 30, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You must not be paying much attention to American politics if you don't think one particular political party of ours (that just so happens to be overtaken by the Evangelicals) is "spreading an EPIDEMIC of RACISM and xenophobia".... The parallel stands.
<quoted text>
Except when these "many people" (Hugh) obsess on one group (Jews/Rabbis) and completely ignore the wrongs committed on their own side (Evangelicals).
Try cleaning house first, then you might have a moral leg to stand on. Until then, F-off...
Non-responsive.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#59232 Sep 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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LOL....it wasnt all bliss and nature spirits, there was altitude to deal with and a trip to the ER as a consequence. Plus I got back in the middle of last night in time to be swamped by work.
Frostbite
Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS)
High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE)
High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE)
Hypoxia

Which one got you? I think I'll stick with the beach vacations.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59233 Sep 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
He is the head of an ETHNIC political party. He has little following outside of Israel.
There is also a Communist Party in Israel, and a Marijuana Party, bot of which either have direct or coalition representation in the parliament. Being a parliament member doesnt mean you rule the world.
Explain the meaning and significance of "Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL"

How big is the Sephardi group as a RELIGIOUS group in Israel? Compare it in terms of size and influence to other religious groups .

What is the meaning of Sephardi?

What is the size of all those who would be classified as Sephardi?

What is the Global influence of Yosef? Are you saying that he has no influence outside of Israel?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59234 Sep 30, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You must not be paying much attention to American politics if you don't think one particular political party of ours (that just so happens to be overtaken by the Evangelicals) is "spreading an EPIDEMIC of RACISM and xenophobia".... The parallel stands.
<quoted text>
Except when these "many people" (Hugh) obsess on one group (Jews/Rabbis) and completely ignore the wrongs committed on their own side (Evangelicals).
Try cleaning house first, then you might have a moral leg to stand on. Until then, F-off...
Was the source LYING when it said, "We are witnessing a spreading EPIDEMIC of RACISM and xenophobia, and we should act firmly."?

Note those are not the words of Yosef.
Mykeisha

Houston, TX

#59235 Sep 30, 2013
I've never met a Jew so how could I make that assessment.

Since: May 13

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#59236 Sep 30, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I wish you well, Joel and I have to be honest even though this may sound brutal to you.

All the symptoms that you have described, tell me that you need to get your head examined by Neurology specialists.

You may have a tumour in the brain and we have experts here, who can take it out. Tumours inside the head can cause all those problems that you mentioned.

You can come to Singapore. I can recommend you the best surgeon, who happens to be a very close friend of mine. The good news is that he has never lost any patient.

It has nothing to do with occult attacks. It is definitely something wrong with your head, Joel.

Best wishes

BMZ
Thank you, BMZ, for your good wishes.

No, there's no brain tumor.

The MRI scans have ruled that out.

BTW, I know, through Psychic intuition and direct Yogic experiences, far more about the subtle as well as the gross aspects of the Mind-Matter mechanism than all the intellectuals, psi researchers and scientists put together. I simply laugh at their naivete.

I know what I am talking about where the malevolent force attacks on me are concerned....these force attacks are creating the illnesses...

Well, let me find out how far can medicine/surgery suppress the adverse symptoms but the life-threatening conditions that manifest in me will GO only if that man stops targeting me, or I'll have to take steps to get rid of him...

I will be leaving for Europe for medical treatment as and when the doctors tell me and I guess it will be quite soon.

I'll be gone for months once I leave India.

I am suffering and am very unwell at times which is quite often but am enduring all the trouble and being an orphan and having no emotional support from others is disturbing.

I tell you one can live without material luxuries but to live without love and support is a terrible thing and that too at such a young age.

The Higher Force is keeping me from completely collapsing but its descent into me is not sufficient considering my lack of receptivity to help me fully.

Best Regards.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#59237 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Please address the questions and other comments.
Who is the man? What sect of Judaism was he the HEAD of? Tell me about the scope of his influence and that of his sect. Explain the quotes below and expand on them by way of more information.
Hint:" Ovadia Yosef, born as Ovadia Yosef or Abdullah Youssef in his native language, is the former Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL, a recognised Talmudic scholar and foremost halakhic authority"
"He CURRENTLY serves as the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli PALIAMENT"
I did address it. As usual you refuse to accept it.

Shas is an ETHNIC party, its not a religious sect. Sephardim are an ethnic group. Do you understand this now?(Second attempt)

Furthermore, both Eric and COR have explained the difference between notoriety and actual influence. In other words, influce of whom? Religious sephardim WITHIN Israel. And not even ALL religious sephardim. SOME religious sephardim. Not even all the mizrachim. So what?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59238 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Please address the questions and other comments.
Who is the man? What sect of Judaism was he the HEAD of? Tell me about the scope of his influence and that of his sect. Explain the quotes below and expand on them by way of more information.
Hint:" Ovadia Yosef, born as Ovadia Yosef or Abdullah Youssef in his native language, is the former Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL, a recognised Talmudic scholar and foremost halakhic authority"
"He CURRENTLY serves as the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli PALIAMENT"
has absolutely no influence in US where Frijoles and I live. In fact, I never heard of him.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59239 Sep 30, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect on most counts.
Your Math, Physics and Chem suck but so does your English.
Here is the list of questions:
CHOOSE THE CORRECT VERB FORM GIVING REASONS:
1) Gold as well as silver is/are expensive.
2) Bread and butter is/are eaten at breakfast.
3) The news is/are being read on TV.
4) Jack with his dog is/are walking in the garden.
5) Either the boys or the girl is/are crying.
ANSWERS WITH EXPLANATIONS:
1) The subjects joined by the conjunctional phrase "as well as" is taken in the singular and so the correct verb form would be IS:
Gold as well as silver is expensive.
2) Bread and butter form a single subject (one without the other is incomplete) and so a singular subject takes a singular verb. The correct verb would be IS:
Bread and butter is eaten at breakfast.
3) Here, news is taken to mean one news capsule and so the subject is singular and the accompanying verb will also be singular (IS).
The news is being read on TV.
4) Jack with his dog is taken as a singular subject and so the singular subject would take a singular verb which would be IS.
On the other hand, if the sentence were to include Jack and his dog...then the subject would be plural - Jack and dog - and as such the verb would be plural as ARE:
Jack with his dog is walking in the garden.
5) When a sentence includes either/or there has to exist 2 subjects but the verb form would depend on the subject next to the second conjunction or. In the given sentence, the second subject girl next to or is singular and so even though the first subject in the same sentence which is boys is plural yet the verb would be singular (since the second subject girl is singular and lies next to the second conjunction or).
Either the boys or the girl is crying.
On the other hand,
If the second subject were to be plural - "girls" - then the verb would take a plural form:
Either the boy or the girls are crying.
rabbee the conjunctional phrase, is to be treated no different than the singular conjunction and/or. your just being an obstinate dimwit. gold as well as silver, makes it plural. as much as the two as'es are plural as well.
it is not the same as a comparison: gold is more expensive than silver. you have a compound subject, instead of a singular subject and singular predicate.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#59240 Sep 30, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Frostbite
Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS)
High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE)
High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE)
Hypoxia
Which one got you? I think I'll stick with the beach vacations.
Hypoxia. I flew into the region only 2 days before to acclimate to the temperatures. I didnt even think of worrying about the oxygen. Not the first time I have suffered from altitude sickness, I was flattened for a day once during a trip to the Andes in Ecuador. But this time it felt like cardiac symptoms, and I wanted to make sure I could fly home without keeling over while on the airplane. So I ended up in the cardiac ward for a few hours to rule out cardiac arrest, stroke, or clots. Cant wait to see the bill.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#59241 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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The answer is, OF and a big OF.

Much love.
You're intellectually challenged...

Leave aside the integral yoga but even where intellectualism is concerned the posters on this thread are brain dead and many are religious fanatics.

Anyway, good luck.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#59242 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Explain the meaning and significance of "Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL"
How big is the Sephardi group as a RELIGIOUS group in Israel? Compare it in terms of size and influence to other religious groups .
What is the meaning of Sephardi?
What is the size of all those who would be classified as Sephardi?
What is the Global influence of Yosef? Are you saying that he has no influence outside of Israel?
You can find all the answers yourself in moments using google.

And when you do, you should feel foolish.

Suffice it to say, he has regional influence within his party, and absolutely NO global influence.

Not all sephardis in ISrael follow Shas either. Just like not all Jews in Israel follow the Chief Rabbi of anything.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#59243 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Cult of R---you should know better than to judge an entire religion based on the ramblings of a FEW loud-mouthed extremists.
HughBe--- I am rushing but I like the tone and balance of your post. That aside does the quote below suggests to you a FEW?
Is the word EPIDEMIC a word that means FEW?
"Municipal RABBIS are public servants funded by the public, and the moment they speak out like the worst Kahanists, they no longer have a place in public service," he said. "We are witnessing a spreading EPIDEMIC of RACISM and xenophobia, and we should act firmly."
Epidemic =extremely prevalent; WIDESPREAD.
Racism= hatred of other races
xenophobia= HATRED of foreigners
I rest my case.
You have no case
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59244 Sep 30, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
has absolutely no influence in US where Frijoles and I live. In fact, I never heard of him.
HughBe---Ovadia Yosef or Abdullah Youssef , "has absolutely no influence in US where Frijoles and I live"

I find your words interesting. Is Yosef well known in the US?

In addition, it would be useful if you had addressed all the points raised. Do so now.

Explain the meaning and significance of "Sephardi CHIEF Rabbi of ISRAEL"

How big is the Sephardi group as a RELIGIOUS group in Israel? Compare it in terms of size and influence to other religious groups .

What is the meaning of Sephardi?

What is the size of all those who would be classified as Sephardi?

What is the Global influence of Yosef? Are you saying that he has no influence outside of Israel?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#59245 Sep 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Was the source LYING when it said, "We are witnessing a spreading EPIDEMIC of RACISM and xenophobia, and we should act firmly."?
Note those are not the words of Yosef.
Hyperbole. See it all the time with politicians, religious leaders, and certain pundits, as well as people on this forum (i.e. you)
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59246 Sep 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I did address it. As usual you refuse to accept it.
Shas is an ETHNIC party, its not a religious sect. Sephardim are an ethnic group. Do you understand this now?(Second attempt)
Furthermore, both Eric and COR have explained the difference between notoriety and actual influence. In other words, influce of whom? Religious sephardim WITHIN Israel. And not even ALL religious sephardim. SOME religious sephardim. Not even all the mizrachim. So what?
"I did address it" ,only partially.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#59247 Sep 30, 2013
Hugh's worldview is so narrow and linear that he's fixated on the verbal hate of scum who're the rabid Rabbis of the Frankist Sabbatean kind - the minority among Rabbis.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59248 Sep 30, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You're intellectually challenged...
Leave aside the integral yoga but even where intellectualism is concerned the posters on this thread are brain dead and many are religious fanatics.
Anyway, good luck.
Joel---You're intellectually challenged..

Hugh--- It is a gift and so I know.

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