Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#58342 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Sorry, my antenna is generally not tuned to the paranoia end of the spectrum. I forget I have to retune whenever I speak with you so as to understand you better.
Saying that municipalities are fictitious entities is paranoid?
Voluntarist

United States

#58343 Sep 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Isn't that pretty much how every religion works?
Belief in religion is very close to belief in government.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58344 Sep 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Isn't that pretty much how every religion works?
rabbee: drat! they are forever stuck between pick any ten of the 7 Noachide commands or 613 commands of G-D'S to Moshe.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#58345 Sep 18, 2013
danetoo wrote:
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do you think she might pass through West London ?
If so, I will bake my special cake and make a cuppa tea ...
You're a child of Israel, part of the chosen people. Queen Elizabeth is sitting on the throne of David and English will become the universal language. Zeph. 3:9. The Messiah will live in Jerusalem and David will probably live primarily in Washington D. C. and visit London. How did you know the Messiah is a woman?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#58346 Sep 18, 2013
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.

Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...

Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...

Does it make me one of the monkeys?

As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58347 Sep 18, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.
Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...
Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...
Does it make me one of the monkeys?
As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
rabbee: no comment!

but the best i can say, about your ability to observe is - well never mind. just when you are, so close to the real truth. but what can you say about, monkey see monkey doo-doo? but some how i do not consider you female enough to be jane with me as get tarzan.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58348 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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BS - you do judge
and it kills you that we ignore you
rabbee: well according to the scriptures of joel. he has more than a bs degree, he has a p-h-d, pilled higher and deeper degree. as it is most unfortunate, that joel does not ignore himself either. far beyond stuck up, is the totally self convinced.

Since: May 13

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#58349 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are a megalomaniac, and your posts reflect as such. You enjoy "debate" but only within the foundation that you assert. The problem being , of course, is that your foundation is full of mistruths. And this is despite repeated attempts to correct.
Ok,

Yes, I do have quite a high opinion of my intellectual capacities given my outstanding academic record and also since very few people can hold their own when they debate/converse with me.

You are adorable, funny and lovable, but, well, where intelligence is concerned you're a big zero and besides you're parochial where cult, community and Israel are concerned and so on account of all these reasons you rank very low down on the intellectual, secular and free thinking scale.

And, where style or class is concerned you lag way behind and come across as lower class or somewhere there.

Anyway, I find you adorable and wish you very well.
Voluntarist

United States

#58350 Sep 18, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.
Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...
Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...
Does it make me one of the monkeys?
As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
Why change patterns? Go eat it like you usually do.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#58351 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Hughbe has an evangelical agenda. All correspondence with him is ultimately a waste of time.
Yes, Hugh is evangelical but so are many others.

You are tribalist, fanatical and pro-Zionism.

Hugh is a sex pervert and so are you.

Both Hugh and you lack intelligence, style and poise.

Hugh comes across as a better human being than you in many ways.

No offense intended.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#58352 Sep 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Come on Moizes. You've read and participated in the baiting of the Christians on the "Who is Allah" thread. You've seen the degree that the Muslim posters have demeaned "Biblical Jesus". The Christians should have every right to have you all put to death under your theory.
And by the way, did you notice how "True Christians" showed their "respect to our prophet"?

And what "Honor and Respect" they showed there?

So there should be two gallows, one for Muslims disrespecting "Biblical Jesus" and another for Christians "Disrespecting the LAst and Final Prophet"?

Do you agree?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#58353 Sep 18, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.
Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...
Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...
Does it make me one of the monkeys?
As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
The real question of this thread was "Are Messianic Jews persecuted in Isreal"? The answer is yes, so we can close the thread on a positive nod, shall we?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#58355 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Why change patterns? Go eat it like you usually do.
Oh my! ha ha ha ha

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#58356 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You enjoy "debate" but only within the foundation that you assert.
Which foundation do I assert?

Can you give me a few examples of how your allegation that I keep a debate within a certain foundation?

Thank you.

Since: May 13

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#58357 Sep 18, 2013
TYPO:

FRIJOLES,

Can you give me a few examples of your allegation that I keep a debate within a certain foundation?

Thank you.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#58358 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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The real question of this thread was "Are Messianic Jews persecuted in Isreal"? The answer is yes, so we can close the thread on a positive nod, shall we?
No, for three reasons

1. There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew -- they are Xtians who, for reasons well known -- they play at being Jews. I can call myself a Muslim -- but, if I believe in something wholly other than what Islam espouses that doesn't make me a Muslim.

2. They aren't, as a group, persecuted. I believe there may have been individual examples of unfair treatment. But, there is no concerted governmental or private effort to deprive a single Messianic Xtian of their rights or property. If you're looking for an example of actual persecution. Take a look at the plight of women and foreign workers in your own Saudi Arabia.

3. There is no country called "Isreal"

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#58359 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Belief in religion is very close to belief in government.
Both beliefs are exercises in deceit, ignorance, fanaticism, mind control, exploitation and violence.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#58363 Sep 18, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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No, for three reasons
1. There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew -- they are Xtians who, for reasons well known -- they play at being Jews. I can call myself a Muslim -- but, if I believe in something wholly other than what Islam espouses that doesn't make me a Muslim.
2. They aren't, as a group, persecuted. I believe there may have been individual examples of unfair treatment. But, there is no concerted governmental or private effort to deprive a single Messianic Xtian of their rights or property. If you're looking for an example of actual persecution. Take a look at the plight of women and foreign workers in your own Saudi Arabia.
3. There is no country called "Isreal"
So you have gone back to square one? And want another 60,000 + posts?

I like you part that it "does not matter what people call themselves", if they do not follow "Basic teachings of that religion" , they should not be member of that religion.

So if Christians are those who follow teachings of jesus Christ, then MOST of people who call themselves Christians are not Christians.

And speaking correctly, Messianic Jews are "real Jews and Real Christians" if they act on what their name says.

And I also like your ending part "There is no country like Isreal"!!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#58364 Sep 19, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Saying that municipalities are fictitious entities is paranoid?
ooga ooga, ooga ooga

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#58365 Sep 19, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.
Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...
Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...
Does it make me one of the monkeys?
As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
I just tried that in my previous post

Man, that felt great

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