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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I went to High School with him. Got to second base with his little sister at Junior Prom.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Oh Hugh,
I love provoking you in order to elicit a comical response and you never fail to have me in splits. Thank you.
Chill.
My pleasure, dear.

Note, I never took offence to your words and my response was written in the spirit of your words.
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Frijoles wrote:
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So if you dont believe in Satan, why do you believe in Jesus? There is about the same amount of evidence for either.
HughBe---My dear Einstein, Satan cannot be within you as I have said if he is not real.

Frijoles---So if you dont believe in Satan, why do you believe in Jesus?

HughBe---1. I take it that a reading of my words have led you to believe that I do not believe that the devil exists.

If I were you I would go back and read them again.

2. I believe in Jesus because I trust the Jewish people who wrote about Him.

My question to you is, do you TRUST your fellow landsmen, the followers of Jesus, the Christ?

Frijoles---There is about the same amount of evidence for either.

HughBe--- Do you believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Compare the evidence that supports the idea that they were real historical figures with the evidence for Jesus, the Christ.

Do not dodge.
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2. I believe in Jesus because I trust the Jewish people who wrote about Him.
Please offer proof that the extant words were written by Jews.
HughBe

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Please offer proof that the extant words were written by Jews.
Prima facie evidence, Matthew, Mark, John are JEWISH names. Paul was a former PHARISEE of the tribe of Benjamin.

Paul's words "I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."

Give me proof of the authors of the Tanach.
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1. Prove that Matthew, Mark and John wrote the extant text. Where is the text is their hand writing? Where is the text in Aramaic or Hebrew?

2. Paul never met Jesus. His writings and opinions were his own.
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1. Prove that Matthew, Mark and John wrote the extant text. Where is the text is their hand writing? Where is the text in Aramaic or Hebrew?
2. Paul never met Jesus. His writings and opinions were his own.
Apply your standard above and give me proof of the authors of the Tanach.
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Eric wrote:
1. Prove that Matthew, Mark and John wrote the extant text. Where is the text is their hand writing? Where is the text in Aramaic or Hebrew?
2. Paul never met Jesus. His writings and opinions were his own.
You are speaking like a Muslim!!
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Apply your standard above and give me proof of the authors of the Tanach.
Since we BOTH accept the TEXT of the Tanakh as being at least INSPIRED by G-d--if not some of it actually dictated by G-d, it makes no difference who actually penned the Tanakh.

You, however, said that the New Testament was written by Jews. I don't accept that premise. I believe that the EXTANT New Testament was largely written by Romans long after the purported authors died.
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FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH:
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer (Satan)- so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.'"
- Harold Rosenthal
(assistant to Sen. Jacob Javits of New York)
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rabbee: well guess what - harold rosenthal is lying.

and guess what - hasatan, baal hamolech, and halooseefer, are three completely different spirits, having totally different attributes.
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Filthy cult and a mother fu-king G-d!
rabbee: this abd you still have not figured out, what is causing your illness?
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HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---My dear Einstein, Satan cannot be within you as I have said if he is not real.
Frijoles---So if you dont believe in Satan, why do you believe in Jesus?
HughBe---1. I take it that a reading of my words have led you to believe that I do not believe that the devil exists.
If I were you I would go back and read them again.
2. I believe in Jesus because I trust the Jewish people who wrote about Him.
My question to you is, do you TRUST your fellow landsmen, the followers of Jesus, the Christ?
Frijoles---There is about the same amount of evidence for either.
HughBe--- Do you believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Compare the evidence that supports the idea that they were real historical figures with the evidence for Jesus, the Christ.
Do not dodge.
All a tangent to the fact that you believe in a fairy tale.

Sounds pretty satanically inspired to me.

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Eric wrote:
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Since we BOTH accept the TEXT of the Tanakh as being at least INSPIRED by G-d--if not some of it actually dictated by G-d, it makes no difference who actually penned the Tanakh.
You, however, said that the New Testament was written by Jews. I don't accept that premise. I believe that the EXTANT New Testament was largely written by Romans long after the purported authors died.
In other words you have no proof. since you said you believe it. Nor he has a proof that the NT was written by Jews.
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In other words you have no proof. since you said you believe it. Nor he has a proof that the NT was written by Jews.
That's why it's called faith.

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That's why it's called faith.
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In other words you have no proof. since you said you believe it. Nor he has a proof that the NT was written by Jews.
THREE YEARS you have been on this forum as an avowed "objective" secularist and yet you have yet to even grasp an elementary understanding of people's positions

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Faith is blind and baseless and constitutes the mainstay of superstitious idiots, whereas certitude based on objective proof and/or subjective experiences with externalized manifestation are/is aimed at rational individuals and gifted intuitionalists.
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Eric wrote:
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Since we BOTH accept the TEXT of the Tanakh as being at least INSPIRED by G-d--if not some of it actually dictated by G-d, it makes no difference who actually penned the Tanakh.
You, however, said that the New Testament was written by Jews. I don't accept that premise. I believe that the EXTANT New Testament was largely written by Romans long after the purported authors died.
Your inability to recognize and thus accept truth is not my fault. It is far easier to prove that the writers of the NT were Jews than to prove that Moses wrote the Torah.

Put it this way, I have no evidence that Moses wrote the Torah. YOU should produce the EVIDENCE that you have as I have NONE.

Think for a change, please.
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Frijoles wrote:
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All a tangent to the fact that you believe in a fairy tale.
Sounds pretty satanically inspired to me.
HughBe--- Do you believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Compare the evidence that supports the idea that they were real historical figures with the evidence for Jesus, the Christ.
Do not dodge.

FRijoles---All a tangent to the fact that you believe in a fairy tale.

HughBe--- So Jesus is a fairy tale but Moses is real. No doubt you hold such a belief because your masters/rabbis told you so.

Frijoles---Sounds pretty satanically inspired to me.

HughBe--- Mark this day because it is the day when you were told that your god-men or rabbis shall not be able to deliver you or themselves in the day of Judgment. It shall be a day when ALL like you including rabbis who hold your IRREVERENCE shall burn like the fat of lambs.

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