Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#57200 Aug 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Hey, Eric is just writing about it as it is written. I suppose you could rewrite the tanach to make it happier.
Oh yeah, you did.
I told Eric that what is written in Bible is all muddled up...if they want to know the truth, they should read Quran.

Why should I rewrite Tanakh? It is your problem not mine.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#57201 Aug 22, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Actually, not. I'm under no obligation to be fair because I'm not trying to push a belief system on you.

I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone. If fact, I don't want you to believe what I believe. If you did, it would be a pretty clear indicator that what I believe is wrong.

The day I tell anyone to emulate everything in the bible, the good and the bad, then you have leave to point out the flaws in my argument. But, I'm not doing that. I'm not telling anyone what to believe.

For example, if I took words at random from the glossary of a 1st year physics text and strung them together in an attempt to make it sound like an actual physical theory in attempt to justify my absurd spiritual beliefs. Then you would have the right to tell me that I'm just writing gibberish. But, I'm not doing that.
However, it's not an issue because you have no idea in what I believe. You can't (honestly) criticize that which you don't know.
You're a retard and an evil man.

If you're not trying to evangelize, then at least have the minimal decency to quit the demon-worshipping cult that're born in. It'll make you a better human being.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#57202 Aug 22, 2013
Moses was neither a prophet nor an excellent leader - he was what he was: a mass murdering, demon-worshiping lunatic born of incestuous stock. Moses is in hell with other evil sub-human types.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#57203 Aug 22, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I see you are feeling better, Joel.
Not really.

Thanks for your concern.

Best Regards.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#57204 Aug 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Or an articulate troll
Hi retard, demon-worshipper, Zio-terrorist.

(smiles)

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#57205 Aug 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You're a retard and an evil man...
You know. I kind of expected more eloquence from a super-genius, who is also the richest man in India and the holder of the secrets of the universe.

What a let down.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#57206 Aug 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There was nothing wrong in the leader....is was the led that had all the problem.
A leader is not wanting if the people he gets are lousy... now why you are picking on Moses?
What enmity you have with him?
Actually I have no problem with him. In my value system, objective discussion and criticism does not translate into a demeaning of character. I understand you come from a different system. Fundamentalists are a little touchy, which holds them back intellectually.

As far as leader vs led - by all counts what you have described is a failed leader. How can you be a leader if you cant persuade your flock?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#57207 Aug 22, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You're a retard and an evil man.
If you're not trying to evangelize, then at least have the minimal decency to quit the demon-worshipping cult that're born in. It'll make you a better human being.
Better human being? What do you know? By your own admission you are a failure. One minute you are pining away about how pathetic your life is, and the next minute you are lost in a fog of egoism.
Eric

Yorkville, IL

#57208 Aug 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Want Quranic references for what I wrote above?
yes, please

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#57209 Aug 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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I told Eric that what is written in Bible is all muddled up...if they want to know the truth, they should read Quran.
Why should I rewrite Tanakh? It is your problem not mine.
Sarcasm flew right over that head.....

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#57210 Aug 22, 2013
BMZ (SINGAPORE) TYPED ON THE ALLAH THREAD:

"To me, YHWH or YHVH or Yahweh is no name."

JOEL:

El is the name of the typal being, whereas YHVH is it vibrational mantra that, in its activated form, can take the tranced consciousness of the seeker into the realm of the vital plane to meet it or to merge with it in a monistic union.
JOEL

India

#57212 Aug 22, 2013
Dear Hugh,

Are you a zoophile?

(smiles)
JOEL

India

#57213 Aug 22, 2013
Hughie,

Should Chubby Baby visit Jamaica or the US?

(wink wink wink)
JOEL

India

#57214 Aug 22, 2013
CURRENT YOGA EXPERIENCE:

A new sub-frequency of the supramental acting in the psycho-physical is preparing to descend into me.....the body is heating up and a scratching sensation is beginning to makes its presence felt. If the force coming down is powerful enough as it appears to be then the body temperature will shoot up dramatically after a time and glow like a dull fire. Once during such a descent, the heat generated was so intense that water touching my body would evaporate, eyes became bloodshot and upturned and the skin along the spine was burned due to the heat and the heat of the descending higher force became so intense after a time that when it entered the solar plexus region - the center of the lower vital consciousness force -. the food in the stomach/gut liquified and I began getting loose motions. The force descent was so powerful. I could not bear it and aspired for it to stop which it did in 10 minutes. The yoga of transformation via the descent of the higher force is painful, extreme and difficult. If taken to its logical conclusion, the end-result would be immortality and injvincibility, the opening up of the supramental faculties in the brain, nerves and sense organs and much more.....need to rest as I'm entering trance, the heat being produced by the descent is getting intense, my entire body is scratching like mad and there's a fiery glow all over my skin.
Eric

Yorkville, IL

#57215 Aug 22, 2013
JOEL wrote:
CURRENT YOGA EXPERIENCE:
A new sub-frequency of the supramental acting in the psycho-physical is preparing to descend into me.....the body is heating up and a scratching sensation is beginning to makes its presence felt. If the force coming down is powerful enough as it appears to be then the body temperature will shoot up dramatically after a time and glow like a dull fire. Once during such a descent, the heat generated was so intense that water touching my body would evaporate, eyes became bloodshot and upturned and the skin along the spine was burned due to the heat and the heat of the descending higher force became so intense after a time that when it entered the solar plexus region - the center of the lower vital consciousness force -. the food in the stomach/gut liquified and I began getting loose motions. The force descent was so powerful. I could not bear it and aspired for it to stop which it did in 10 minutes. The yoga of transformation via the descent of the higher force is painful, extreme and difficult. If taken to its logical conclusion, the end-result would be immortality and injvincibility, the opening up of the supramental faculties in the brain, nerves and sense organs and much more.....need to rest as I'm entering trance, the heat being produced by the descent is getting intense, my entire body is scratching like mad and there's a fiery glow all over my skin.
have you tried permethrin to kill your crabs?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57216 Aug 22, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Moses was G-d's prophet. As such he was the voice and hand of G-d on earth. When Moses went out on his own and disobeyed G-d's commands, he failed as a prophet. In this case G-d wanted His voice to be heard. He wanted to demonstrate what the word of G-d can do. Failing as a prophet to meet G-d's directions, Moses failed to meet his behavioral obligations. The Tanakh says that a prophet who goes out on his own and does not convey the words and actions of G-d shall die. The punishment was pronounced immediately. Moses asked for reconsideration but G-d told him to be quiet and not bring up the subject again. Note that previously, G-d had directed that His hand be the demonstrative act in a similar situation. Moses did as directed, and everything was hunky dory.
1. Which one of your rabbis living now or in the past is the equal of Moses in terms of Divine favour or OBEDIENCE to God?

2. "Moses failed to meet his behavioral obligations." be SPECIFIC.

3. Don't forget Abraham meaning tell me the behavioural obligations that he had to meet in order for him to get the land and also for him to receive the PROMISE itself.

4.Answer ALL questions and deal with FAVOUR, OBEDIENCE and be SPECIFIC in terms of behavioural OBLIGATIONS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57217 Aug 22, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Dear Hugh,
Are you a zoophile?
(smiles)
Indeed I am committed to protecting you and other animals.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57218 Aug 22, 2013
Eric dear, specifiy the behavioural obligations that God gave to Isaac as conditions for him to get the land of Israel.

The conditions are ALL in the Tanach, quote them and keep your opinion to yourself.
Eric

Yorkville, IL

#57219 Aug 22, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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"Moses failed to meet his behavioral obligations." be SPECIFIC.
akh hanavi asher yazid ledaber davar bishmi et asher lo-tsivitiv ledaber vaasher yedaber beshem elohim akherim umet hanavi hahu:
JOEL

Srinagar, India

#57220 Aug 22, 2013
ASCENT AND DESCENT IN YOGA:

1) Yoga has 2 movements - ascent of the awakened psychic or of any part of the individual's consciousness into any of the higher planes of cosmic/supracosmic consciousness and descent which is the infiltration of any of the higher forces into the being of the individual.

2) While ascent is a common yogic expereince,, the dynamic descnt of the higher force into the being is rare.

3) Descent of the higher force results in the fixing of any aspect of the higher force in the being but it is painful and protracted.

4) Whereas rising into a higher state of consciousness and hearing voices, seeing burning bushes, seeing circles of light or seeing a flight of stairs, or seeing a moon and so on are common yogic experiences of the lower kind, the experience of the cosmic self, the cosmic wideness, the cosmic silence, the cosmic peace, the supracosmic presence, the one in the many and the many inh the one experience are some of the higher experiences of the ascending yoga.

5) The descending phase is more concerned with bringing down the higher force into the being - mental, vital, physical and subconscient - and transforming its inferior movements into the superior pulsations of the range of the higher force brought down into the being.

6) It takes years if not many lives for a substantial portion of the higher consciousness-forfce to descend into the being and fix itself in a particular plane or part of the being, erase, dissolve or remedy its defects if any and therefater transform the lower movement into the higher one representing its own.

7) Descent is the direct experience of the supraphysical in the physical and the subsequent fixing of the supraphysical in the physical to transform the physical and make it supraphysical and if the supramental is fixed in the physical, it results in physical immortality, invincibility, replacement of the internal organ systems, remolding of the physical frame, opening up of the higher gnosis and so on.

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