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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#55458 Jun 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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So, now that you have defined religion, your next project is to redefine science?
I'm not buying it. No more than I buy into your other definitions.
What comes to mind is a tiny minnow trying to swim upstream. Noble thought. But utterly useless, futile, and waste of all time.
HughBe---They are converts for whatever reason but it is certainly NOT scientific.

Frijoles---So, now that you have defined religion, your next project is to redefine science?

HughBe--- I shall now define religion and it is a belief in gods or God or the supernatural.

Definition of SCIENCE it is the study of the "world" that we live in and so its pillars are VERIFIABLE, REPLICABLE, OBSERVABLE etc.

Science is NOT faith it is NOT religion and so for it to REVERSE its position on a matter e.g. the classification of homosexuality as a mental health disease it means that the pillars of science must have been applied and led to NEW scientific discoveries. What are these VERIFIABLE discoveries?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#55459 Jun 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Science bashing is necessary by bible literalists such as HughBe in order to maintain the delusion.
But you have to admit, the fact that he thinks he's qualified to debate evolution and natural selection is cute (in the same way that a baby making his first boom-boom is cute).
Tell me CoR, how do you approach proving a mathematical equation?

Do you omit some or any of the steps or facts? If Not why not?

Having answered the above, link the concept above to evolution and teach me the TRUTH of evolution.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#55460 Jun 25, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Off to make su su. A few drops have stained my pristine white, cotton-silk pajamas.
(smiles)
Having made it, don't drink it. It is not a beverage.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#55461 Jun 25, 2013
Off to "make" lunch.
JOEL

India

#55462 Jun 25, 2013
POLYTHEISM SCORES OVER MONOLATRY, MONOTHEISM & PAGANISM:

1) It's an egregious error to talk in terms of my god and your god.

2) These callous distinctions have been made by the so-called prophets with each trying to prove through force and threat that his god is simply the best while the other archetrypal beings or rival gods are inferior or evil. This parochial approach forms the basis of the Babylonian cults like kabbalah, Baal worship, Judaism, Islam and Christianity. This is the worst mistake one can make when it comes to dealing with the multiple powers of consciousness since it invites perpetual strife and imprisonment in narrowness.

3) If one is a believer the best appraoch is to respect all the various archetypal beings of the numerous planes of consciousness-energy. Respect the good and the bad powers so as not to antagonize any and to invite the blessings and help of all these powers of consciousness. In this way, the world is not divided into warring religious camps and at a deeper level of being one is not assaulted by those archetypal powers who one ignores, opposes and reviles. So, in this way, polytheism is superior to monolatrism, monotheism and paganism.

4) Monism exceeds polytheism and is the total conquest of the whole of nature and being that're simply seen as manifestations of one reality.
JOEL

India

#55463 Jun 25, 2013
SUPRAMENTAL YOGA IS SUPERIOR TO MONISM:

1) The supramental yoga exceeds monism and takes its stand on the unified field of consciousness-energy as manifested through the supramental range of consciousness-energy.

2) The cardinal error comitted by nondualism/monism is to consider consciousness the source of energy which is simply impossible and so in the final analysis monism falters and becomes mumbo jumbo.

3) Monism fails to recognize the fundamental difference between consciousness and energy that are like the obverse and reverse sides of a coin or the 2 ends of one pole of existence. One is intelligence, the other force. They form a unified field that is inseparable in their ultimate reaches where the highest ranges of consciousness and energy merge.
JOEL

India

#55464 Jun 25, 2013
MONOTHEISM IS A FALSE DOCTRINE:

1) Yes, monotheism is a false teaching since there exist a plethora of archetypal beings on the various planes of consciousness-energy and so the idea of just one God is simply ridiculous.

2) The god of a particular religion is simply a specific archetypal being chosen from many archetypal beings that the founder of the religion chose to worship and this is why we find numerous warnings in the various scriptures against worshipping other gods (rival archetypal beings of the same plane or of other planes).

3) One may correctly aver that existence is one since the basal constituents of the varied states of existence reduce to various vibrational modec of consciousness and energy that originate as a gradation from a unified field of consciousness-energy.

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#55466 Jun 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- I shall now define religion and it is a belief in gods or God or the supernatural.
Definition of SCIENCE it is the study of the "world" that we live in and so its pillars are VERIFIABLE, REPLICABLE, OBSERVABLE etc.
Science is NOT faith it is NOT religion and so for it to REVERSE its position on a matter e.g. the classification of homosexuality as a mental health disease it means that the pillars of science must have been applied and led to NEW scientific discoveries. What are these VERIFIABLE discoveries?
Science doesnt classify. People classify. Science suggests theories. Theories evolve as data collection and analyses evolve. Science is not static.

And yes, theories change all the time. Its all part of the method.

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#55467 Jun 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe -- Look into the scriptures and there you shall see the WAY. If you are bent on following a man follow me as I am on the WAY. The law of God does not FLOCK around and I don't when dealing with it.
Frijoles---Whose "scriptures"?
HughBe--- God's scripture meaning the words He gave to Moses and all the prophets.
Avoid CORRECTED "scriptures". Use the most ancient versions.
Frijoles-- Why should I flock your way?
HughBe--- Because I am on the ONLY way. There is no other way but the way that was delivered to the prophets.
Your messiah complex again.

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#55468 Jun 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---They are converts for whatever reason but it is certainly NOT scientific.
Frijoles---So, now that you have defined religion, your next project is to redefine science?
HughBe--- I shall now define religion and it is a belief in gods or God or the supernatural.
Definition of SCIENCE it is the study of the "world" that we live in and so its pillars are VERIFIABLE, REPLICABLE, OBSERVABLE etc.
Science is NOT faith it is NOT religion and so for it to REVERSE its position on a matter e.g. the classification of homosexuality as a mental health disease it means that the pillars of science must have been applied and led to NEW scientific discoveries. What are these VERIFIABLE discoveries?
The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_meth...

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#55469 Jun 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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What are these VERIFIABLE discoveries?
And by the way, I already posted on the history of the reevaluation of the concept (Kinsey above)

I should of reminded you that before the last two posts, but your butchering of the scientific method appalled me.
Voluntarist

United States

#55470 Jun 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://www.aglp.org/gap/1_history/
Alfred Kinsey's and colleagues' study on male and female sexuality marked the beginning of a cultural shift away from the view of homosexuality as pathology and toward viewing it as a normal variant of human sexuality.
Kinsey had criticized scientists' tendency to represent homosexuals and heterosexuals as "inherently different types of individuals."
Therefore, he introduced a 0 to 6 scale to classify sexual behavior or fantasy from "exclusively heterosexual" to "exclusively homosexual" (the "Kinsey Scale"). The "Kinsey Reports" found that 37% of males and 13% of females had at least some overt homosexual experience to the point of orgasm; furthermore, 10% of males were more or less exclusively homosexual and 8% of males were exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55. This is where the frequently quoted "10%" figure comes from. 2-6% of women reported more or less exclusively homosexual experience or response. A more modest 4% of males and 1-3% of females had been exclusively homosexual after the onset of adolescence until the time of the interview.
"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects." (Kinsey, et al. 1948 Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948), p. 639).
0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6- Exclusively homosexual
(Kinsey 1948), p. 638
Kinsey was a pervert, but that answer was non-responsive
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#55471 Jun 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Your messiah complex again.
rabbee: christian - anointed or messiah like, aka follow the leader. does an apprentice, following the steps of their master, mean they have a messiah complex? does anyone doing what G-D, says to do to be holy. mean it is, a deity complex? does pleasing the boss, make you the boss?

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#55472 Jun 25, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: christian - anointed or messiah like, aka follow the leader. does an apprentice, following the steps of their master, mean they have a messiah complex? does anyone doing what G-D, says to do to be holy. mean it is, a deity complex? does pleasing the boss, make you the boss?
What you are describing is a prophet.

What i was referring to was a messiah, in the Christian tradition. Huggy is Christian (or something like that.

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#55473 Jun 25, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Kinsey was a pervert, but that answer was non-responsive
You asked where the classifications and the declassifications came from i.e. were they Psychiatrists?

I provided you an answer as to the history. He was not a shrink.

Your issue if you didnt like the fact I answered your question
Voluntarist

United States

#55474 Jun 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You asked where the classifications and the declassifications came from i.e. were they Psychiatrists?
I provided you an answer as to the history. He was not a shrink.
Your issue if you didnt like the fact I answered your question
you are a real idiot douchbag

Kinsey's contribution to dsm-IV ?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55475 Jun 25, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Kind of like delusional thinking that government is there to protect you.
I feel safer in NYC and even Stamford knowing there are cops around.

I do believe our military will defend us against any foreign attacks.

I also believe the courts will generally protect my rights as spelled out in the law.

Am I crazy?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55476 Jun 25, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Maybe those that actually have a conscience.
Cops and doctors (esp psychiatrists) are in the position of almost playing god. Getting dumped on all the time.

You have to listen to and take all this crap and you can't really act out or express yourself honestly. You swallow a lot crap.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55477 Jun 25, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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These are the type of experts that you refer to.
Only a fool stops learning and revising his opinion.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55478 Jun 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former is not my adversary, I am just bruising him.
And you said no rough stuff. Baxtard!

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