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#54893 Jun 13, 2013
Barbara wrote:
Because belief is different from mine does not make you right or me wrong.
Beliefs count for nothing.

Direct experience involving the union in consciousness of the subject with the object is everything.

In the realm of beliefs, imagination can run riot and one can imagine anything to be true as verification is not the guiding principle where beliefs are concerned. So, belief in creation from nothing, extra-cosmic god, one god, 12345 gods, heavens in the sky or somewhere out of the universe filled with rivers of honey, wine and milk, hells as places of fire, smoke, boiling water, god's arsh (throne), etc. Anything can be imagined in the realm of beliefs. One belief is as good as any other. Beliefs are for the immature ones.
yehoshooah adam

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#54894 Jun 13, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
In point of fact, that's not true. Most early Xtians were Greeks and Romans. The first Xtian churches were built in Rome, not Jerusalem.
It's not difficult to see why Jews would reject the concepts of Xtianity and classical Greeks and Romans would embrace them. Many of the core concepts of Xtianity are straight out of Greek and Roman paganism. Virgin birth, human gods, polytheism ... all of those ideas would be anathema to Jews but would be very easy to believe for Greeks and Romans of the time.
The story goes that Jesus came from Judea ... well, who knows? I'm sure the story sounded good when they told it.
rabbee: don't care if all your false beliefs reject each other. you all still not true to G-D, here and now in TheTorah.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#54895 Jun 13, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: don't care if all your false beliefs reject each other. you all still not true to G-D, here and now in TheTorah.
Well, thanks for that. We always appreciate it when Xtians tell Jews how to be more Jewish.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#54896 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, thanks for that. We always appreciate it when Xtians tell Jews how to be more Jewish.
And Christians to be more Christians!!(And Muslims to be true Muslims).

Followers of all religions are guilty. most of them only use their religions as a label.

Majority of them only show a hypocritic link with their religion, hardly anybody follows the real moral teachings of their religious texts.

That is the main reason , why we see so much injustice, violence and lack of peace, both inner and outer in the world.

The more we progress on materialistic front, the more we loose on morality.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#54897 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, thanks for that. We always appreciate it when Xtians tell Jews how to be more Jewish.
He is not Christian. He has his own religion altogether. Also, halachically, he actually may be Jewish (parents were survivors).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#54898 Jun 14, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
And Christians to be more Christians!!(And Muslims to be true Muslims).
Followers of all religions are guilty. most of them only use their religions as a label.
Majority of them only show a hypocritic link with their religion, hardly anybody follows the real moral teachings of their religious texts.
That is the main reason , why we see so much injustice, violence and lack of peace, both inner and outer in the world.
The more we progress on materialistic front, the more we loose on morality.
Praise to thee, Mullah Muq
Voluntarist

United States

#54899 Jun 14, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe that god made flawed beings on purpose?
Or was it a mistake he made?
These are the only two choices.
Gay people to you are not "normal" and they carry out sinful activity.
So why would god create such people with such a loathsome lifestyle?
The same god who created you, correct?
And your evidence that gays are created?

Are those feminine mannerisms created by god?
Or is that learned behavior?
Voluntarist

United States

#54900 Jun 14, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah. It wasnt even a govt contract. It was a subcontract. Like I said, me and a zillion other people.
That said, I do provide compliance services to the private sector as well. Making me guilty of....capitalism. Oh the shock to libertarian ears.
A subcontract is part of the whole, you ding dong.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#54901 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
In point of fact, that's not true. Most early Xtians were Greeks and Romans. The first Xtian churches were built in Rome, not Jerusalem.
It's not difficult to see why Jews would reject the concepts of Xtianity and classical Greeks and Romans would embrace them. Many of the core concepts of Xtianity are straight out of Greek and Roman paganism. Virgin birth, human gods, polytheism ... all of those ideas would be anathema to Jews but would be very easy to believe for Greeks and Romans of the time.
The story goes that Jesus came from Judea ... well, who knows? I'm sure the story sounded good when they told it.
Incorrect on at least 2 counts:

"Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: &#935;&#961;&#953; &#963;&#964;&#953; &#945;&#957;&#972; &#962; Christianos[1] and the Latin suffix -itas) is a MONOtheistic[2] and Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings as well as the Old Testament.....

Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid-1st century..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

Christains pray to one god. Do not let the Trinity confuse you. All one god.

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons or hypostases:[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[2] A nature is what one is, while a person is who one is.[3][4][5]

The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith.[6] According to this doctrine, there is only one God in three persons. Each person is God, whole and entire.."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
former res

Cheshire, CT

#54902 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, thanks for that. We always appreciate it when Xtians tell Jews how to be more Jewish.
Yes and I'm certain Christians appreciate it when Jews tell them how many gods they believe in.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#54903 Jun 14, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
And your evidence that gays are created?
Are those feminine mannerisms created by god?
Or is that learned behavior?
Gay folks will tell you they knew they were "different"
from early childhood playing in the sandbox.

Are you suggesting it's all an act?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#54904 Jun 14, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is not Christian. He has his own religion altogether. Also, halachically, he actually may be Jewish (parents were survivors).
If I had a dime for every missionary who claimed their parents / grandparents / aunt-uncle / close friend ... were survivors ... I'd have a lot of dimes.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#54905 Jun 14, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and I'm certain Christians appreciate it when Jews tell them how many gods they believe in.
I lost track -- do demi-gods count?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#54906 Jun 14, 2013
Jesus spotted on dog. This is great.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jesus_chri...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#54907 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
If I had a dime for every missionary who claimed their parents / grandparents / aunt-uncle / close friend ... were survivors ... I'd have a lot of dimes.
He is not a missionary though. Just a harmless and friendly loon.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#54908 Jun 14, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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A subcontract is part of the whole, you ding dong.
So is being an individual in society.

Obviously you have no real business experience.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#54909 Jun 14, 2013
former res wrote:
Jesus spotted on dog. This is great.
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jesus_chri...
ROFL!!!
former res

Cheshire, CT

#54910 Jun 14, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
I lost track -- do demi-gods count?
Bygones.
Voluntarist

United States

#54911 Jun 14, 2013
Top National Security Experts: Spying Program Doesn’t
Make Us Safer, and Spying Leaks Don’t Harm America
Posted on June 13, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog
NSA Leaks Help – Rather than Hurt – the United States
America’s top national security experts say that the NSA’s mass
surveillance program doesn’t make us safer … and that
whistleblowers revealing the nature and extent of the program
don’t harm America.
The top counter-terrorism czar under Presidents Clinton and Bush
– Richard Clarke – notes :
The just-revealed surveillance stretches the law to its breaking point
and opens the door to future potential abuses
***
I am troubled by the precedent of stretching a law on domestic
surveillance almost to the breaking point. On issues so fundamental
to our civil liberties, elected leaders should not be so needlessly
secretive.
The argument that this sweeping search must be kept secret from
the terrorists is laughable. Terrorists already assume this sort of
thing is being done. Only law-abiding American citizens were
blissfully ignorant of what their government was doing.
***
If the government wanted a particular set of records, it could tell
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court why — and then be
granted permission to access those records directly from specially
maintained company servers. The telephone companies would not
have to know what data were being accessed. There are no technical
disadvantages to doing it that way, although it might be more
expensive.
Would we, as a nation, be willing to pay a little more for a program
designed this way, to avoid a situation in which the government
keeps on its own computers a record of every time anyone picks up
a telephone? That is a question that should have been openly asked
and answered in Congress.
The author of the Patriot Act and chairman on the House
Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security,
and Investigations – Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner – says:
Lawmakers’ and the executive branch’s excuses about recent
revelations of NSA activity are “a bunch of bunk”
The government has gone far beyond what the Patriot Act
intended, and that section 215 of the act “was originally drafted to
prevent data mining” on the scale that’s occurred
Whistleblower Edward Snowden is not a traitor, and
Sensenbrenner would not have known the extent of abuse by the
NSA and the FISA court without Snowden’s disclosures
The Patriot Act needs to be amended to protect Americans’ privacy
Voluntarist

United States

#54912 Jun 14, 2013
The former head of the NSA’s global digital data gathering
program, William Binney:
Confirms Snowden’s allegations about the mass surveillance
program
Says that revealing the details of the spying program will not
harm national security … and that government officials are only
mad because it exposes their overreaching
Says that massive surveillance doesn’t work to make us safer
Says that he set up the NSA’s system so that all of the information
would automatically be encrypted , so that the government had to
obtain a search warrant based upon probably cause before a
particular suspect’s communications could be decrypted. But the
NSA now collects all data in an unencrypted form, so that no
probable cause is needed to view any citizen’s information. He
says that it is actually cheaper and easier to store the data in an
encrypted format: so the government’s current system is being
done for political – not practical – purposes. Binney’s statements
have been confirmed by other NSA whistleblowers
Says that the government is using information gained through
mass surveillance in order to go after anyone they take a dislike to
Says that the NSA’s spying programs have brought us incredibly
close to “a turnkey totalitarian state”
Former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente confirmed
Snowden’s allegations, and told CNN:
“Welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we
speak whether we know it or like it or not”
“No digital communication is secure”
Senator Jon Tester – a member of the Committee on Homeland
Security and Governmental Affairs, and the Approrpriations
Committee’s Subcommittee on Homeland Security – says Snowden
didn’t harm national security, and that his leaks were helpful:
The information that they wrote about was just the fact that NSA
was doing broad sweeps of foreign and domestic phone records,
metadata.[T]he fact of the matter is is I don’t see how that
compromises the security of this country whatsoever.
And quite frankly, it helps people like me become aware of a
situation that I wasn’t aware of before because I don’t sit on that
Intelligence Committee.

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