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May 26, 2013
 
Hey, where''re the "leading members" of the ginger group trying to influence the trend of the conversation on this thread? LOL.

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May 26, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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what is the difference between a Muslim Indian and an Indian Muslim?
That's dealt with in my write-up.

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May 26, 2013
 
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And by the way, there are Jewish Indians.
I am aware and unimpressed.

I stay away from anything parochial and tribal and if the beliefs and customs are revolting - genocides, abnormal eugenic practices, enslavement, fanaticism, exploitation of women of POWs, human/animal sacrifices, incest, stoning, infanticide, jealousy, etc,- then I scoot.
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May 26, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Judaism is tribal in the sense that it believes that the specific laws of Judaism are meant only for the nation of Israel.
Frijoles-- personally I dont accept that megillah(Esther) as history.

HughBe--- List the reasons why that is so.

Do you celebrate Purim?

Do the Jews who celebrate the Feast of Purim celebrate a LIE?

OUTSTANDING matters--
do you read Esther from a scroll?
Is Esther in books?

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May 26, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Get rid of the higher force. SEX urge is NATURAL and it should not be quelled it should be controlled but not quelled.
Yes.

In the normal life, the sex urge should be controlled and regulated but if perfection of the being-body is the grand aim then mastery over all the impulses and their transmutation into the spiritual vibe of the supramental kind is essential.

Are you aware that ejaculation drains out a substantial part of the vital force that leaves through the semen as well as through the tips of the thumb and index fingers of the right hands and from the forearm region of both the arms?

I can actually "see" all this with naked eyes and can feel the lowering in mind-body potential.

Besides, the sex act, with a woman or a man, results in exchange of vibes with your partner and as expected most of the incoming forces are of an undesirable kind given the serious personality defects and the kind of adverse forces controlling them in most people these days and these absorbed vibes coming from your sex partner sink into the cumulative force field - the subconscient - at the soles of the feet from where they periodically keep rising in waves to create disturbances and blocks in the life and mind-body of a person.

You wouldn't know all this since you're tooooooo dense, ignorant and insensitive to the play of the gross and subtle forces and in addition the ignorant rogues of the Tanakh and that stupid madman Jesus did not mention anything abut these finer mechanisms since they were as clueless as you are.

Total mastery over all mental, vital, physical and subconscient impulses and their transformation into the supramental vibe is the aim.

Nothing less.

PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?

(smiles)

Anyway, best regards, mon.

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May 26, 2013
 
Within the causal mechanism of the mental, vital and physical spatio-temporal factors, most things are gray and not necessarily black or white since there's nothing rigid about any entity/object in these realms and most importantly the way a thing is viewed and put to use would determine its utility ....this statement can be logically proven.
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May 26, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- I know that the book or as Anus calls it Scroll of Esther is a HISTORICAL document.
Also since you don't know, why choose the option of FAIRY TALES?
I don't simply assume that something I am told is true.

I believe in "trust but verify."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verif...
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- So in the US and Ireland history books would not be considered as a part of literature?
Here in Jamaica we would include history as a part of LITERATURE.
Dewey Decimal System:

000 Generalities
100 Philosophy & psychology
200 Religion
300 Social sciences
400 Language
500 Natural sciences & mathematics
600 Technology (Applied sciences)
700 The arts
800 Literature & rhetoric
900 Geography & history
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HughBe--- you love the sound of my voice and that is one reason for the request for repetition. The explanation is simple, it is a matter of CREDIBILITY and the way the material is presented.
Take for example, Aesop writings they are regarded as FICTION by me.
To each his own.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- Do you ever make an attempt at answering questions? How did you manage in school?
Seriously, what area are you trained in and to what level?
Master in Science degree.

Healthcare-related.
HughBe wrote:
In Jamaica it would be in the RELIGIOUS section. Does that tell you that religion is FICTION?
Definition of RELIGION
1
a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

[Huggy - clearly religion is very spiritual, subjective matter.]
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Former--Flynn was a famous American actor who once had a home in Jamaica:
HughBe--- I know of the man and his 007 exploits.
I believe you're thinking of the writer of the James Bond stories who had a home there as well if I'm not mistaken. Ian Fleming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming
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Former--Flynn .. also popularised trips down rivers on bamboo rafts.[35]
HughBe--- When are you coming for your bamboo ride, on the river?
Would you be my skipper?
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May 26, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- So Irish people are ethno-religious as they have an ethnicity and religion.
Former--No. Not that simple.
HughBe--- Please provide DETAIL explanations.
You would need to speak with a sociologist or perhaps an anthropologist for a more detailed explanation.
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Former--We all have an ethnicity
HughBe--- Really?
Former---and a history of SOME SORT OF RELIGION if you look back far enough on the family tree.
HughBe--- explain your "some sort of religion". Is that truly the way to describe how your forfathers viewed their religion? Are you on drugs, not thinking Viagra?
There are many different religions and they are viewed/thought of in many different ways.

Some people are raised with no religion at all.

My kids would be told to think for themselves.
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Former--That doesn't make us all ethnoreligious.
HughBe--- I see. Tell me or LIST all the ingredients to be ethno-religious. SPECIFY the criteria.
You would need to speak with a sociologist or perhaps an anthropologist for a more detailed explanation.
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Former--The Irish are not included:
Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews,
HughBe--- Noted. Tell me what the Jews have that make them ethno-religious that the Irish do not have.
Ok, MR. Atheist, my boy.
You would need to speak with a sociologist or perhaps an anthropologist for a more detailed explanation.

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May 26, 2013
 
Religion is objective in the sense that it has its visible beliefs, its symbols, its rituals, its prayers, its scripture, its clergy, its followers and its shrines. How a believer relates to a religion is determined by the individual's personality type but in this case, too, where the subjective side is stressed there are outwardly signs of faith in the life/personality of an individual. Like most things in nature and life, spiritualism is both subjective and objective - trance experience is the subjective aspect, while paranormal phenomena is the objective side of the spiritual life. However, trance is attended by bodily changes/bodily manifestations that can be seen and studied objectively.
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May 26, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
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Former--But how do you explain that we don't have religion for those who believe in the moon landing? vs those (moon atheists) who don't?
HughBe--- It was all the efforts of men.
Former--It seems more or less generally accepted.(Except by ATF and his friends...)
HughBe--- Same for the bible. Your species/ATHEISTS are a minority in the WORLD.
So are geniuses. And Rhodes Scholars.
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This is also GENERALLY known. The irony is that your types/ATHEISTS are found in great numbers among Jews the so called RELIGIOUS people.
A very cerebral people who value education highly.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Now you are attempting to use reason to validate your beliefs.
HughBe-- It is a nasty habit that I have of using GOOD judgment or good sense in dealing with life. Follow me.
Perhaps you need this if you have lost your faith.

Have you?
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Former--Why do you go down this road rather than simply say you are accepting the story on faith? I would respect that more.
HughBe--- I am not seeking respect I am seeking to be logical, fair and honest even if such an approach is disrespected.
What about faith?

Where does it fit into your beliefs?

Or does it?
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Former--We also don't have a religion of Civil War believers, nor have I ever heard of any Civil War deniers. ATF??
HughBe--- It tells me that YOU are ALL a people of FAITH as NOT one of you were eyewitnesses and reply on the reports of others.
I didn't see myself come out of my mother either.

I still call her "Mom."

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May 26, 2013
 
Nothing in nature or in life is purely subjective or purely objective but a mixture of both states of existence. In fact, in the ultimate analysis, everything with the human experience boils down to mental perception and psycho-emotional feeling and so in this sense everything is subjective. How one puts out a mental idea or a mental perception or an emotion is its objectivization. Note - the objectivization of a thought, perception or idea is scaled down to the properties and limitations of matter as a mental vibe - a finer state of existence - is sought to be realized in matter - a state that is gross and characterized by lower information content when compared to the mind or emotion. Hey, there.
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former res wrote:
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I don't simply assume that something I am told is true.
I believe in "trust but verify."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verif...
<quoted text>
Dewey Decimal System:
000 Generalities
100 Philosophy & psychology
200 Religion
300 Social sciences
400 Language
500 Natural sciences & mathematics
600 Technology (Applied sciences)
700 The arts
800 Literature & rhetoric
900 Geography & history
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To each his own.
<quoted text>
Master in Science degree.
Healthcare-related.
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Definition of RELIGION
1
a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>
b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
[Huggy - clearly religion is very spiritual, subjective matter.]
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I believe you're thinking of the writer of the James Bond stories who had a home there as well if I'm not mistaken. Ian Fleming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming
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Would you be my skipper?
Former--I don't simply assume that something I am told is true.

I believe in "trust but verify."

HughBe--- How did you verify that Christopher Columbus existed? Was it via time travel?

How did you verify that men went to the moon?

Did you go and examine the evidence on the moon?

HughBe--- So in the US and Ireland history books would not be considered as a part of literature?
Here in Jamaica we would include history as a part of LITERATURE.

Former--Dewey Decimal System:

000 Generalities
100 Philosophy & psychology
200 Religion
300 Social sciences
400 Language
500 Natural sciences & mathematics
600 Technology (Applied sciences)
700 The arts
800 Literature & rhetoric
900 Geography & history

HughBe--- Here is HughBe's system. Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history.

HughBe-- Aesop writings they are regarded as FICTION by me.

Former--To each his own.

HughBe--- Tell me how do you regard the writings of Aesop? Are they HISTORICAL?

HughBe--- Do you ever make an attempt at answering questions? How did you manage in school?
Seriously, what area are you trained in and to what level?

HughBe---Master in Science degree.

Healthcare-related.

HughBe--- So, are you a Grind-ae-cologist?

HughBe --In Jamaica it would be in the RELIGIOUS section. Does that tell you that religion is FICTION?

HughBe---Definition of RELIGION
1
a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

[Huggy - clearly religion is very spiritual, subjective matter.]

HughBe--- But is religion FICTION? The rituals etc. that are performed in churches, synagogues and mosques are they REAL or FICTIONAL?

Former--Flynn was a famous American actor who once had a home in Jamaica:

HughBe--- I know of the man and his 007 exploits.

Former--I believe you're thinking of the writer of the James Bond stories who had a home there as well if I'm not mistaken. Ian Fleming.

HughBe--- I did not need wiki, you are correct and I made a mistake. I know both names.

Former--Flynn .. also popularised trips down rivers on bamboo rafts.[35]

HughBe--- When are you coming for your bamboo ride, on the river?

Former---Would you be my skipper?

HughBe--- Yes I would SKIP
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May 26, 2013
 
Voluntarist wrote:
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The point is that you have blind faith in government without any facts that any of the laws including tax laws apply to you.
And you say that you follow the dictates to stay out of a cage.
The question was , if the church put you in a cage if you didn't pay them and follow their commandments , would that make the church as legitimate as government to you?
We've been over this so many times....

Faith means belief without evidence.

I simply know what will happen if I don't follow the law. So I choose to follow the law.

Tell me where the element of faith is involved here.

It's like deciding not to hit yourself in the head with a hammer because you know it will hurt.

Is there faith involved in that decision as well?

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May 26, 2013
 
Faith is mental belief unbacked by solid proof of either the subjective or the objective kind.

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May 26, 2013
 
What's the difference between belief and certitude?

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May 26, 2013
 
Perhaps, certitude could be untrammeled fanaticism. LOL.
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May 26, 2013
 
Voluntarist wrote:
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...The question was , if the church put you in a cage if you didn't pay them and follow their commandments , would that make the church as legitimate as government to you?
The threat of legal or criminal proceedings is not what makes the US gov't legitimate in my view.

That guy who kept 3 girls in his house for many years was not "legitimate."

There's a little more to it than the threat of incarceration.

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May 26, 2013
 
Without faith that a certain thing could possibly be true, life would have been barren and a drudgery shorn of its magic, wonder and romance.
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May 26, 2013
 
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes.
In the normal life, the sex urge should be controlled and regulated but if perfection of the being-body is the grand aim then mastery over all the impulses and their transmutation into the spiritual vibe of the supramental kind is essential.
Are you aware that ejaculation drains out a substantial part of the vital force that leaves through the semen as well as through the tips of the thumb and index fingers of the right hands and from the forearm region of both the arms?
I can actually "see" all this with naked eyes and can feel the lowering in mind-body potential.
Besides, the sex act, with a woman or a man, results in exchange of vibes with your partner and as expected most of the incoming forces are of an undesirable kind given the serious personality defects and the kind of adverse forces controlling them in most people these days and these absorbed vibes coming from your sex partner sink into the cumulative force field - the subconscient - at the soles of the feet from where they periodically keep rising in waves to create disturbances and blocks in the life and mind-body of a person.
You wouldn't know all this since you're tooooooo dense, ignorant and insensitive to the play of the gross and subtle forces and in addition the ignorant rogues of the Tanakh and that stupid madman Jesus did not mention anything abut these finer mechanisms since they were as clueless as you are.
Total mastery over all mental, vital, physical and subconscient impulses and their transformation into the supramental vibe is the aim.
Nothing less.
PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?
(smiles)
Anyway, best regards, mon.
Joel--Are you aware that ejaculation drains out a substantial part of the vital force that leaves through the semen as well as through the tips of the thumb and index fingers of the right hands and from the forearm region of both the arms?

Hugh--Knew of the some of it. I would not discount the rest.

Joel--I can actually "see" all this with naked eyes and can feel the lowering in mind-body potential.

Hugh--- I feel the weakening of the body after the explosion.

Joel--Besides, the sex act, with a woman or a man, results in exchange of vibes with your partner and as expected most of the incoming forces are of an undesirable kind given the serious personality defects and the kind of adverse forces controlling them in most people these days and these absorbed vibes coming from your sex partner sink into the cumulative force field - the subconscient - at the soles of the feet from where they periodically keep rising in waves to create disturbances and blocks in the life and mind-body of a person.

HughBe--- Don't know if you are correct but your words merit serious consideration.

Joel--You wouldn't know all this since you're tooooooo dense, ignorant and insensitive to the play of the gross and subtle forces and in addition the ignorant rogues of the Tanakh and that stupid madman Jesus did not mention anything abut these finer mechanisms since they were as clueless as you are.

Hugh--- I am comforted by your words

Joel--Total mastery over all mental, vital, physical and subconscient impulses and their transformation into the supramental vibe is the aim.

Hugh-- You have a long way to go. Your dick FAILED.

Joel--PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?

HughBe--- Would that be a cure for size or colour?

Joel--Anyway, best regards, mon.

HughBe--- Best regards, sweetie and much love from my bottom, of my heart.

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A healthy mix of intuition, reason, instinct and faith (belief) personifies the man/woman with an energizing and uplifting go.

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