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HughBe

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May 26, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Its not a book, its a scroll
It would be helpful if you knew even the most fundamental facts about the work.
HughBe---what do you call the book of Esther?
Is it a HISTORICAL book?
Is it a book of FICTION?

Frijoles---Its not a book, its a scroll

HughBe--- Anus, do you read Esther from a scroll? Is Esther in books?

Frijoles---It would be helpful if you knew even the most fundamental facts about the work

HughBe--- Self-deceiving orifice answer the question. Insert scroll and answer my question.

I shall be repeating it until it is answered dear US educated Judahite.
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May 26, 2013
 
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I admit I am not the most educated on the subject of your heritage, but I dont think of your heritage as ethno-religious in the same way Jews are. Not that you dont have a definite religious culture that complements the ethnic culture, but what creates the Jewish situation is the complicated interaction between internal religious laws of tribal membership and the external imposition of ethnicity (i.e something you are "born into" regardless of your religious views).
Hughbe is setting up a false equivalence. Christians are not an ethno-religious group either, but yet he cited that as an example as well. Basically,(shockingly), Hughbe misses the boat on the concept.
Frijoles---Hughbe is setting up a false equivalence. Christians are not an ethno-religious group either

HughBe--- Please explain it to me. Is it that Christians lack ethnicity or it is that they lack religion?

Expose my STUPIDITY.
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May 26, 2013
 
Former---A fairy tale is certainly a type of story.

HughBe--- Thanks for confirming both your stupidity and DECEPTIVE nature. My words above are clear.

Former--You may want to study a thing called a syllogism -

HughBe---Cut the....

Former--So, though all fairy tales are stories, it does not follow that all stories are fairy tales.(Nor did I say that.)

HughBe--- I said as much and was understood by people with BASIC common sense.

Former--If is not your fault where you were raised and educated.

HughBe--- It is sad that plain things are hidden from you.

Former---Nice little FABLES written many years ago and passed down through...

HughBe--- Little fellow the writers wrote them as actual events and experiences. For example, "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."

The Egyptian experience is written as an ACTUAL experience and not a fable.

Former---I understand the writing device employed.

HughBe--- I understand that you are calling the history of the Jewish people LIES and the people themselves are being called LIARS, by YOU.

Former--Again, well executed. Many folks have evidently found the writings compelling.

HughBe--- Yes really, I am NOT as old as you are and clearly you were alive 200 years ago. I rely on the reports of others.

Former--Yes, reports. Multiple sources and actual historical events.

HughBe--- are you talking about MULTIPLE eyewitnesses? explain your MULTIPLE SOURCES.

Former--Not just a handful of people recorded their experiences and observations of the American Revolution, The Pilgrims, The American Civil War etc. So though I was not an eye witness to these historical events, I feel confident that they actually happened.

HughBe--- Quantify the number of sources. The history of the Jews were recorded and read and KNOWN to those who had the experiences and their later generations.

HUghBe---My sources are HISTORICAL and contain the experiences of MILLIONS of eyewitnesses.

Former--Please explain your "millions of eyewitenesses."

HughBe--- Those who lived at the time of Esther. Those who came out of Egypt. Those who lived during the reigns of the various kings etc.

Former---How do you know this?

HughBe--- From the HISTORY of a people that are stiffnecked. Based on my knowledge of them today I am far more confident in the RELIABILITY of their history in the bible than in believing that men have been to the moon.

These people would NEVER record negatives things about their history, if they were NOT TRUE.Trust me on that.

Bet your life on it. It is far more certain and accurate than the occurrence and reporting of the Civil war in America.

These people and I think of the religious ones are far more likely to TWIST history than to record the TRUTH and they certainly will not lightly record the NEGATIVES as contained in the bible.

Nehatives e.g. DAYS after the exodus they went into IDOLATRY. Take it from me, it HAPPENED.
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May 26, 2013
 
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That particular megillah is not one of my favorites. I dont enjoy the violent ending. But then again, I dont enjoy Grimm's Fairy Tales either for the same reason.
HughBe---Is it(Esther) a HISTORICAL book?
Is it a book of FICTION?

Frijoles---That particular megillah is not one of my favorites

HughBe--- Deceiver, answer the question.
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The highest form of satanism = Judaism.
Joel--The highest form of satanism = Judaism.

HughBe--- I don't know that you are correct but this is what I KNOW. Judaism is the highest form of DECEPTION and LIES for a RELIGION.

The qualities are demonstrated by EVER member that I know plus it is in the writings and utterances of the rabbis/PHARAOHS and I am NOT talking about ANCIENT writings I am talking about things said and done in OUR lifetime.

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Nationality is rarely based on race.
Yeah, but it's not so rare.

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Dont kid yourself that there are not Arabs in India that are as Indian as your Hindus.
I'd qualified my statement by taking a case where there is no mixing of blood in a Muslim and the rest follows from this surmise.

Re-read it carefully.

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May 26, 2013
 
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OF :D
You want my dick?

In a future post, I'll narrate how the sex urge is sublimated and dissolved - in fact, just yesterday I experienced the dissolution of the sex urge when I tried to raise it up hoping that it would result in graphic sexual thoughts and a solid erection. the attempt failed as there occurred an instant reaction from the higher force. I'll reveal the details later and you'll be amazed how effective the higher force is in quelling the sexual urge.

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I am NOT talking about ANCIENT writings I am talking about things said and done in OUR lifetime.
That's sheer hypocrisy on your part of omitting the old part out of your analysis.

The ancient archetypes as well as the modern proponents of Judaism are, well, to put it mildly, perverse with there being nothing original, profound or spiritually uplifting about them...
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And your belief in the facts of government jurisdiction is just a fable.
Haven't we been through all this?

My only "beliefs" are in the ramifications of not following the law.
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Former---Most of life is lived in the gray areas.
HughBe-- Why is that so? Do you HATE the BLACK?
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HughBe wrote:
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Former--Much of literature contains elements of history, psychology, sociology, politics, philosophy, theology, commentary, fantasy, and yes, reality.
HughBe-- Noted now answer the question. Is Esther a book of HISTORY or FICTION? Tell me the fictional aspects of Esther.
I do not know, but then again, neither do you.
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Former--It is for the individual to evaluate that which speaks to him and what message he wishes to take from any creative work of art.
HughBe--- Past events are past and it matters not what kind of message or impact it has on the reader those things cannot change the FACTS or history.
Regarding history, I agree.

I was speaking of literature.
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Former---So, the answer to your question above is: It is whatever you make of it.
HughBe--- Pure CS and YOU know it.
Really? Then explain why some choose to believe and others do not.
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I am going to make a big assumption here and it is that at some point in your life you had access to something called a LIBRARY. Now when you went did you find HISTORY books in the FICTIONAL section? Is that how it is done in America?
In what section would one find your bible and other holy books?

Hint: Not History!
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Former---How about,'My Wicked, Wicked Life,' by Errol Flynn.
HughBe--- No doubt you read it as like attracts like in your world. I have never read it or heard about it.
Flynn was a famous American actor who once had a home in Jamaica:

Flynn lived with Wymore in Port Antonio, Jamaica in the 1950s. He was largely responsible for developing tourism to this area, and for a while owned the Titchfield Hotel, which was decorated by the artist Olga Lehmann. He also popularised trips down rivers on bamboo rafts.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Flynn
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May 26, 2013
 
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Former---I smell a trap....
HughBe--- That is positive as it means that you have gained intelligence.
Thank you. I'm gratified.
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HughBe--- So Irish people are ethno-religious as they have an ethnicity and religion.
No. Not that simple.

We all have an ethnicity and a history of some sort of religion if you look back far enough on the family tree.

That doesn't make us all ethnoreligious.

The Irish are not included:

Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia and Mauritania.[1]

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HUghBe--- So based on the FACTS that YOU have an ethnicity as well as a RELIGIOUS history YOU are ethno-religious and this is something that YOU have previously denied.
Correct.
HughBe wrote:
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Now that I have explained to YOU who you are, embrace your ethno-religious self and enjoy your life, ATHEIST.
That's MR. Atheist to you!
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May 26, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
Former--You may want to study a thing called a syllogism -
HughBe---Cut the....
That you reject a concept from the field of logic does not surprise me.
HughBe wrote:
Former--Please explain your "millions of eyewitenesses."
HughBe--- Those who lived at the time of Esther. Those who came out of Egypt. Those who lived during the reigns of the various kings etc.
Former---How do you know this?
HughBe--- From the HISTORY of a people that are stiffnecked. Based on my knowledge of them today I am far more confident in the RELIABILITY of their history in the bible than in believing that men have been to the moon.
But how do you explain that we don't have religion for those who believe in the moon landing? vs those (moon atheists) who don't?

It seems more or less generally accepted.(Except by ATF and his friends...)
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These people would NEVER record negatives things about their history, if they were NOT TRUE.Trust me on that.
Bet your life on it. It is far more certain and accurate than the occurrence and reporting of the Civil war in America.
Now you are attempting to use reason to validate your beliefs.

Why do you go down this road rather than simply say you are accepting the story on faith? I would respect that more.

We also don't have a religion of Civil War believers, nor have I ever heard of any Civil War deniers. ATF??
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These people and I think of the religious ones are far more likely to TWIST history than to record the TRUTH and they certainly will not lightly record the NEGATIVES as contained in the bible.
Nehatives e.g. DAYS after the exodus they went into IDOLATRY. Take it from me, it HAPPENED.
"These people?"

I'll call it faith.

You should be ok with that too.

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May 26, 2013
 
Some idiotic being called G-d or God is not responsible for life and death - life, death and afterlife (disembodied state of consciousness-energy) are governed by causation.
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Haven't we been through all this?
My only "beliefs" are in the ramifications of not following the law.
Right, someone will put you in a cage but you agree that is not evidence of anything but mans willingness to put you in a cage for not believing in fictitious government.

But if Christians put you in a cage for not believing in or living by the teachings of the bible, that doesn't make in any more legitimate to you? or does it?

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HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Hughbe is setting up a false equivalence. Christians are not an ethno-religious group either
HughBe--- Please explain it to me. Is it that Christians lack ethnicity or it is that they lack religion?
Expose my STUPIDITY.
There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.

Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I'd qualified my statement by taking a case where there is no mixing of blood in a Muslim and the rest follows from this surmise.
Re-read it carefully.
I understand your logic and all I can say is that it is not relevant because we are talking about citizenship self identification in the 21th century.
You made a bunch of qualifications. I get them. But we are not talking genetics - we talking about self and group concepts.

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HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---what do you call the book of Esther?
Is it a HISTORICAL book?
Is it a book of FICTION?
Frijoles---Its not a book, its a scroll
HughBe--- Anus, do you read Esther from a scroll? Is Esther in books?
Frijoles---It would be helpful if you knew even the most fundamental facts about the work
HughBe--- Self-deceiving orifice answer the question. Insert scroll and answer my question.
I shall be repeating it until it is answered dear US educated Judahite.
Some day, just some day - you will learn some Hebrew so that you know WTF you are asking about

but moving on - No, personally I dont accept that megillah as history.

In the future, IF you want me to respond - loose the "Judahite" label nonsense. I dont call you a ngg-r, no need to make a deragatory name towards me,

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I'd qualified my statement by taking a case where there is no mixing of blood in a Muslim and the rest follows from this surmise.
Re-read it carefully.
"8) If nationality is not race/genetic based then nationality is a superfluous factor and in such a case a person may describe himself as a Jewish Indian, Muslim Indian or Hindu Indian provided he puts his faith above nation.."

Exactly the case.

Now the question gets more interesting, or perhaps needless complicated if one now poses the question what is the difference between a Muslim Indian and an Indian Muslim?

And by the way, there are Jewish Indians. Ever watch Blazing Saddles?

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Right, someone will put you in a cage but you agree that is not evidence of anything but mans willingness to put you in a cage for not believing in fictitious government.
This is not correct.

If, for example, I was imprisoned for not paying my taxes - it would not be for my beliefs (or lack thereof), it would be for failure to pay my taxes, aka, tax evasion.

The gov't wants its money. Our laws are much more concerned with how we act than how we think or believe.
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But if Christians put you in a cage for not believing in or living by the teachings of the bible, that doesn't make in any more legitimate to you? or does it?
No it wouldn't.

But I'm not sure what your point is.

If you can remember, feel free to reiterate.

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