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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

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#53207 May 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Again, goes to show that the educational system of your country is not up to par.
Former---His Jamaican history books would probably only make the grade here in a handful of states, maybe, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama....
Places I would only go to for their BBQ.
HughBe--- You have no idea what history is. As a Catholic(former) how would you classify the book of Esther?
Is it HISTORY or FICTION?
Nothing is 100% one thing or the other.

I prefer not to see the world in black in white.

Most of life is lived in the gray areas.

Much of literature contains elements of history, psychology, sociology, politics, philosophy, theology, commentary, fantasy, and yes, reality.

It is for the individual to evaluate that which speaks to him and what message he wishes to take from any creative work of art.

So, the answer to your question above is: It is whatever you make of it. We would probably all answer that differently. I have no personal knowledge of this piece of literature. So, honestly, I would not be the best person to ask.

What did you think of the book,'Gone With the Wind?'

How about,'My Wicked, Wicked Life,' by Errol Flynn.

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#53209 May 25, 2013
Old songs rule.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53210 May 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Former---A fairy tale is certainly a type of story.
HughBe--- Thanks for confirming both your stupidity and DECEPTIVE nature. My words above are clear.
I see your confusion.

You may want to study a thing called a syllogism - example:

Major premise: All humans are mortal.

Minor premise: All Greeks are humans.

Conclusion: All Greeks are mortal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

(Which doesn't meant that all mortals are Greek.)

So, though all fairy tales are stories, it does not follow that all stories are fairy tales.(Nor did I say that.)

If is not your fault where you were raised and educated.
HughBe wrote:
Former---You were implying I was calling the authors of the bible liars.
HughBe--- what else were YOU doing? Do you believe the stories that Moses wrote?
Do you believe the stories written by Joshua?
Besides YOU have repeatedly called them fairy tales when the writers hold up the stories to be ACTUAL accounts of events.
A good writer should be able to get the reader to suspend his disbelief. This sounds like a job well done.
HughBe wrote:
Former---I explained how it all most likely came about.
HughBe--- But son, the accounts are written and presented as HISTORICAL events.
Former---Nice little fables written many years ago and passed down through
the generations, and along the way, some folks began to believe they were actually true.
HughBe--- Little fellow the writers wrote them as actual events and experiences. For example, "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."
The Egyptian experience is written as an ACTUAL experience and not a fable.
I understand the writing device employed.

Again, well executed. Many folks have evidently found the writings compelling.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- Yes really, I am NOT as old as you are and clearly you were alive 200 years ago. I rely on the reports of others.
Former--Yes, reports. Multiple sources and actual historical events.
HughBe--- are you talking about MULTIPLE eyewitnesses? explain your MULTIPLE SOURCES.
Not just a handful of people recorded their experiences and observations of the American Revolution, The Pilgrims, The American Civil War etc. So though I was not an eye witness to these historical events, I feel confident that they actually happened.

There is a big difference between recorded history and the existence of the almighty.
HughBe wrote:
Former---Historical documentation.
HUghBe---My sources are HISTORICAL and contain the experiences of MILLIONS of eyewitnesses.
Please explain your "millions of eyewitenesses."

How do you know this?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53211 May 25, 2013
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1. Do Irish people have a RELIGIOUS history or are they without one?
2. Do Irish people belong to an ethnic group?
3. Do you belong to an ethnic group?
4. Do YOU and your family have a RELIGIOUS history?
1. Yes, very religious. Very Christian - either Catholic or Protestant.

2. Yes, Celtic/Irish.

3. Yes. See above.

4. Yes, Catholic.

(I smell a trap....)

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#53215 May 25, 2013
SIMI GAREWAL - Malabar Hill class personified!

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#53216 May 25, 2013
Malabar Hill in Mumbai is the swankiest area (after Carmichael Road, Mumbai) in India.

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#53218 May 25, 2013
TWO CLASSY LADIES.

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#53224 May 25, 2013
The grand aim is to acquire physical immortality and complete invincibility as the first step towards the highest perfection.

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#53225 May 25, 2013
typo

3) If the indwelling consciousness is awakened to a minimal degree then the body escapes being hit or damaged by accidents or even FROM attempts at being murdered

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#53226 May 25, 2013
Where's Hugh the sex perv?

He's so cock friendly!

(smiles)

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#53227 May 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
My boy Frijoles, what do you call the book of Esther?
Is it a HISTORICAL book?
Is it a book of FICTION?
Its not a book, its a scroll

It would be helpful if you knew even the most fundamental facts about the work.

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#53228 May 25, 2013
former res wrote:
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1. Yes, very religious. Very Christian - either Catholic or Protestant.
2. Yes, Celtic/Irish.
3. Yes. See above.
4. Yes, Catholic.
(I smell a trap....)
I admit I am not the most educated on the subject of your heritage, but I dont think of your heritage as ethno-religious in the same way Jews are. Not that you dont have a definite religious culture that complements the ethnic culture, but what creates the Jewish situation is the complicated interaction between internal religious laws of tribal membership and the external imposition of ethnicity (i.e something you are "born into" regardless of your religious views).

Hughbe is setting up a false equivalence. Christians are not an ethno-religious group either, but yet he cited that as an example as well. Basically,(shockingly), Hughbe misses the boat on the concept.

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#53230 May 25, 2013
Scripture is sheer nonsense.

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#53231 May 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
My boy Frijoles, what do you call the book of Esther?
Is it a HISTORICAL book?
Is it a book of FICTION?
That particular megillah is not one of my favorites. I dont enjoy the violent ending. But then again, I dont enjoy Grimm's Fairy Tales either for the same reason.

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#53232 May 25, 2013
Rituals and scriptures being nonsense have nothing to do with the ultimate reality.

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#53233 May 25, 2013
The highest form of satanism = Judaism.

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#53234 May 25, 2013
former res wrote:
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I see your confusion.
You may want to study a thing called a syllogism - example:
Major premise: All humans are mortal.
Minor premise: All Greeks are humans.
Conclusion: All Greeks are mortal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
(Which doesn't meant that all mortals are Greek.)
So, though all fairy tales are stories, it does not follow that all stories are fairy tales.(Nor did I say that.)
If is not your fault where you were raised and educated.
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If I understand you correctly, just because something might be a fairy tale doesnt mean it isnt worthy of respect. Fairy Tales have their own types of truths and deeper meanings. Much like fables.

I dont get why some people here would automatically find a fairy tale designation as demeaning (unless one is so insecure with their ID). Something doesnt have to be "authentic" or literal to be meaningful.

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#53235 May 25, 2013
RELIGIO-GENOTYPES:

1) Religious rituals that're unrelated with the true laws of nature and being mold the mind, vital and body in perverse ways - the more barbaric or sadistic a religion is, the more perverse will be its beliefs and practices and these in turn have an adverse effect on the believer's psychology, vital and body which are expectedly transferred down the generations giving rise to perverted genotypes based on religious observances.

2) When puerile, illogical and sadistic religious habits influence personality formation then a damaging effect on the family gene pool takes place with the result that abnormal human types are born and if this damaging effect is coupled with disastrous eugenic practices like incest and/or hypogamy then the results are terrible.

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#53236 May 25, 2013
Myths have meaning only if they correspond to specific movements of consciousness that can be replicated and verified.

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#53237 May 25, 2013
Truth is that which can be replicated, verified and used for the uplift of the individual and the collectivity.

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