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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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May 22, 2013
 
Popular conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says the government wields a “weather weapon” that can “create and steer” tornadoes.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/alex_jones_ad...
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Frijoles wrote:
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As you shouldnt. We would rather not contract a nasty disease from you just because you decided to eat un-inspected meat.
By the way, I dont think un- is the proper term. I think it is non-. How can you un-inspect something?
True, bad grammar on my part.

So you do not wash meat because you think that the us government is inspecting it for you?
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Much love.
"I wish I knew how to quit you."

Brokeback Mountain (2005)
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Frijoles wrote:
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yes, but you benefit from the services provided regardless, which I believe may have been FR's point.
There is no benefit through taxes paid through force, at least I dont see any.
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May 22, 2013
 
former res wrote:
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water sewer trash pick up mom's soc sec check mom's medicare libraries police fire military coast guard Smithsonian ambulance air travel gps etc
Is there competition for water/sewer service? or is that a monopoly?
Dont fault me for having no choice on who provides the service.
But I am not free loading any services because that is what you were stating earlier.

My mother is still working, she doesn't receive a government check.
Do you see what happens when governments stay out and dont set up monopolies?

Look how price competitive cell phone service is.
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May 22, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
Popular conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says the government wields a “weather weapon” that can “create and steer” tornadoes.
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/alex_jones_ad...
And? You dont think this is true?

You are naive.
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HughBe wrote:
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Former--So if you believe in all 3 parts of the trinity, why not in the trinity itself?
HughBe--- Because the doctrine is FALSE. Let me not toy with you anymore. The Holy Spirit is not a Being it is the POWER of God.
"And the Spirit(POWER) of God moved upon the face of the waters"
I understand that this is your belief.
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Former---And a side question...who are you to say it is a false belief when one all faith is based on belief alone?
HughBE-- I am the TRUE witness of what is in the scriptures.
Again, this is your personal faith.

Faith is defined as "belief without evidence."

You would be better off not commenting on the beliefs
that others hold just as dearly as you hold your own.

None of you really have a leg to stand in terms of reality.

All due respect of course.
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HughBe--- It seems that learning is not your forte. Listen well, my memory tells me that nearly 50 % of Jews are SECULAR meaning ATHEISTS etc. This means that THEY would NEVER call themselves any RELIGIOUS anything. They certainly will use the word ETHNIC. Get it?
I was born Catholic and am now atheist.

Doesn't make my parents' religion any less "legitimate."

You make no sense.

Everyone knows Jews follow Judaism.
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Former---You would deny the association between Judaism and the Jewish people? That is their traditional religion?
HughBe--- I have NEVER denied any association. What I am stating as a FACT is that Judaism does NOT make them Jews.
Sure it does.

Ask anyone. Outside of your cult that is.

What was the name of your religion again?

I don't think you've shared this. Is it a secret?
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Former---Why do you feel the need to opine on this at all?
HughBe--- A better question is why do YOU and others FEEL threatened by FACTS?
I have Jewish relatives and so if I feel like expressing my opinion about things that will impact on them it is NOBODY'S business.
Shalam, my shiny friend.

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True, bad grammar on my part.
So you do not wash meat because you think that the us government is inspecting it for you?
Nah - You didnt do anything wrong. That IS the expression - I was just pointing out how it really makes no sense

Washing meat is not complete. There are some really nasty stuff that needs to get quashed closer to the supply chain for eradication to be effective.

Furthermore, washing meat does not promote preventative actions on behalf of the suppliers, which is 100 times more efficient.

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And? You dont think this is true?
You are naive.
No I dont think the government controls the weather. Hell, they cant even fund the NWS properly to PREDICT the weather.
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There is no benefit through taxes paid through force, at least I dont see any.
You think people would just naturally pay their share voluntarily?

You have a vivid imagination.

Taxes on the honor system! Sounds wonderful. Where do I sign up?
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Is there competition for water/sewer service? or is that a monopoly?
Dont fault me for having no choice on who provides the service.
But I am not free loading any services because that is what you were stating earlier.
My mother is still working, she doesn't receive a government check.
Do you see what happens when governments stay out and dont set up monopolies?
Look how price competitive cell phone service is.
Until recently there was monopoly on phone service electric etc.

Are you saying you should have rec'd those service for free simply because you had no choice?

I know seniors who are not bums but rely heavily on their gov't checks. Is that ok? And Medicare. Is it ok for seniors who couldn't otherwise afford healthcare due to the price gouging in the private sector?
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....Please explain how YOU can vote for X and Y wins and yet in your world you ELECTED or CHOSE Y. How many times do you vote in the same elections?
Some of us support our system of gov't.

Even though I never voted for GW Bush, didn't support his wars, thought he and Cheney, Rumsfeld were probably war criminals - I never doubted the legitimacy of his presidency.(Supreme Court decision aside.)

I never questioned his religion or his country of origin ether. Or whether he has loyal, patriotic American.

Unlike those here who hate President Blackenstien (credit to Bill Maher) personally mostly because he's black, IMO.

W was our duly elected president and he represented us all at home and around the world. Idiot that he was and is.
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HughBe--Come and visit, we have a mix of roads including highways.
Frojoles---and you hate gay people
HughBe--- Lunatic fringe,what is the link between my invitation to Former to come to Jamaica and see our roads and your GAY people ejaculation?
That's why it was funny.

'Cause it was just for the hell of it?

You dig?!
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As far as I am aware I do NOT HATE anybody or any group. I am one witness to these words and God Almighty is the other witness.
To call wrong wrong does not equate to HATING any person or group.
It clearly equates to homophobia any way you look at it.

So let's not split hairs (even kinky ones!).

To refer to WHO SOMEONE IS as "wrong" is clearly wrong and hateful.

Hiding behind your supposed god/religion is a bullshxt excuse.

Man up.

Remember Huggy, being gay is no more a choice than you're being black. It's not a behavior. It's who and what these folks are.

Get it? Good.

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former res wrote:
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Some of us support our system of gov't.
Even though I never voted for GW Bush, didn't support his wars, thought he and Cheney, Rumsfeld were probably war criminals - I never doubted the legitimacy of his presidency.(Supreme Court decision aside.)
I never questioned his religion or his country of origin ether. Or whether he has loyal, patriotic American.
Unlike those here who hate President Blackenstien (credit to Bill Maher) personally mostly because he's black, IMO.
W was our duly elected president and he represented us all at home and around the world. Idiot that he was and is.
Difference is that Bush destroyed America's image as protector. The US have done many dubious things throughout history (covert operations, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Mujahadeen etc etc the list goes on). But the reputation as the protector of the weak and defender of the righteous was still in tact until GW Bush's presidency.

Now America is considered an antagonistic element in an already politically sensitive gloabl arena.

The one thing you should thank Obama for is giving the US some credibility again on the world stage.

But, the world also saw how Americans reacted to having a black man in the white house and it wasn't pretty. The accusations of terrorism, islamic fundamentalism, that he hates whites, that he hates christianity and wants to destroy america were shocking to a world who has been told that democratic elections are the only path to societal order.

But we saw thousands of Americans saying that they wanted to secede from the United States rather than be presided over by this democratically elected black man.

As a sociologist it was very interesting to watch.
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Difference is that Bush destroyed America's image as protector. The US have done many dubious things throughout history (covert operations, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Mujahadeen etc etc the list goes on). But the reputation as the protector of the weak and defender of the righteous was still in tact until GW Bush's presidency.
Now America is considered an antagonistic element in an already politically sensitive gloabl arena.
The one thing you should thank Obama for is giving the US some credibility again on the world stage.
But, the world also saw how Americans reacted to having a black man in the white house and it wasn't pretty. The accusations of terrorism, islamic fundamentalism, that he hates whites, that he hates christianity and wants to destroy america were shocking to a world who has been told that democratic elections are the only path to societal order.
But we saw thousands of Americans saying that they wanted to secede from the United States rather than be presided over by this democratically elected black man.
As a sociologist it was very interesting to watch.
I generally agree.

Though I think Obama has done much more than help to restore our standing on the world stage.(The improving economy, healthcare, taxes etc.)

The right spoke of his "apology tour." Of course he never actually apologized for anything though the previous 8 years were indeed regrettable for our nation. W was an embarrassment for sure, considered a dangerous man by many of our partners.)

The US is arrogant and oil crazy. We have no right to the world's supply of oil but we don't seem to know that. But as long as we continue to allow big oil to craft our energy policy...

But very true, racism is alive and well. No doubt about it.

In parts of the Middle East, they'll kill you if you're the wrong sect of the same religion.....

Here the tea party is born because of the first black president. The signs say "Take back the country." Where was the tea party while W was doubling the debt?

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You call him as your Papa.

Is that the way a son addressees his Papa?
Frijoles is funny and quite loving at times but on the other hand he's too unintelligent, too fanatical, too unjust, too unclassy and too materially impoverished and so the deeper compatibility between us was missing.

In a way it's good that this dad-son relationship has ended between Frijoles and me.

When ya comin' down to India, MUQ?

Good luck to you and your family.
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Wolf Blitzer put his foot in his mouth for a moment on Tuesday while interviewing a survivor of the devastating tornado in Moore, Okla.

"We're happy you're here. You guys did a great job," Blitzer said to Rebecca Vitsmun, who escaped from her house with her 19-month-old son right before the twister tore through it. "You've gotta thank the Lord, right? Do you thank the Lord for that split-second decision?"

Vitsmun hesitates for a moment and smiles. "I -- I'm actually an atheist," she said, laughing off the awkward moment.

"You are. All right. But you made the right call," Blitzer said.

"We are here, and I don't blame anyone for thanking the Lord," Vitsmun said.

Though she handled the situation graciously, Blitzer would be well-advised not to assume that every interview subject believes in God. After all, America experienced a 13 percent drop in religiosity between 2005 and 2012, according to a WIN-Gallup poll published last year.

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typo -

and so the deeper compatibility between us IS missing.
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I generally agree.
Though I think Obama has done much more than help to restore our standing on the world stage.(The improving economy, healthcare, taxes etc.)
The right spoke of his "apology tour." Of course he never actually apologized for anything though the previous 8 years were indeed regrettable for our nation. W was an embarrassment for sure, considered a dangerous man by many of our partners.)
The US is arrogant and oil crazy. We have no right to the world's supply of oil but we don't seem to know that. But as long as we continue to allow big oil to craft our energy policy...
But very true, racism is alive and well. No doubt about it.
In parts of the Middle East, they'll kill you if you're the wrong sect of the same religion.....
Here the tea party is born because of the first black president. The signs say "Take back the country." Where was the tea party while W was doubling the debt?
Its unfortunate that the media loves to interview these right wing fanatics.

Anyone of moderate intelleigence knows that the USA is full of free thinking, globally aware, politically righteous individuals who understanding that the US isn't always right when it comes to domestic and foreign policy.

But the only Americans we see being interviewed on UK TV are these hardline nationalist loons who seem to mention God or the Bible in every sentence have a hard time believing that a half-African half-American can have America's best interests at heart.

Its truly saddening after seeing the disaster of GW Bush's presidency.

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
ONE GOD AMONG MANY GODS:
1) Jews believe there's one God among many.
2) This means that among the numerous competing beings or deities they choose one and began worshipping it as God.
3) Of course, the Hebrews borrowed their God and most of their beliefs from the barbaric Baal worshipping cultures that pre-date Judaism.
4) El, with its etymological variant Allah, is a savage Baal. YHVH is a form of El.
LOL.
Jews don't believe there is one god among many. They believe that exist only one god - YHVH.

It's YHVH that implicitly suggested there are other gods besides him.

The Jews have ignored that but at the same time they pretend they follow what YHVH says.

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