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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52760 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Is H2O a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 given its high specific heat capacity?
NO and NO2 are a lot worse than CO2

Another reason why your posts (flatulence) make things worse for all of us here

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#52761 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
The sum total of carbon in various forms on earth is fixed and unless carbon as CO2 or in any other form is increasing in volume as a result of being generated in huge amounts on earth or is entering the earth's atmosphere from extra-terrestrial sources, we need not panic about fluctuations in the amount of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere. These are temporary and local phenomena. Rise/fall of CO2 levels is a natural geochemical cycle linked to the unlocking or conversion of locked carbon into carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and other forms of carbon.
So smarty pants, explain to us what happens when the buffer mechanisms become saturated.

BTW, as you FULLY must know, noone claims extra Carbon is being "generated". It is being transferred from one form to another.

Furthermore, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, using your logic - WHY should anyone eat ORGANIC food? Chemical residues are natural too, they are just cycling elements, just like in the Carbon cycle.

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#52762 May 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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NO and NO2 are a lot worse than CO2
LOL.

Well, the worst green house gas is is actually water vapor.

Why do you think water vapor is the worst green house gas?

Methane is even worse than water vapor in terms of green house effect but why is its contribution to the green house effect so less?

Why is methane a worse green house gas than even water vapor?

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#52763 May 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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So smarty pants, explain to us what happens when the buffer mechanisms become saturated.
Buffer?

A thermal buffer would tend to moderate the extremes of temperature.

How do you know what the actual limits of the buffer mechanism are?

Another thought - Compositional variation can change the distribution of heat within a body in keeping with the Fourier's Law but, well, it cannot change the overall temperature of the body.

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#52764 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
Well, the worst green house gas is is actually water vapor.
Why do you think water vapor is the worst green house gas?
Methane is even worse than water vapor in terms of green house effect but why is its contribution to the green house effect so less?
Why is methane a worse green house gas than even water vapor?
The estimates that I have seen cited is that NO contributes as much as 300 x the equal amount of CO2 by absorbing infrared radiation.

NO impacts are not just in the realm of global warming, it contributes to acidification (acid rain), ground level smog, and destruction of ozone. Arguably it is worse than CO2.

Denitrifification in rice paddies are a major source BTW

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#52765 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Buffer?
A thermal buffer would tend to moderate the extremes of temperature.
How do you know what the actual limits of the buffer mechanism are?
Another thought - Compositional variation can change the distribution of heat within a body in keeping with the Fourier's Law but, well, it cannot change the overall temperature of the body.
Chemical buffer you idiot

Think the seas

You really HAVE no background in Earth Science and Geology , do you.

You might as well hang up this topic - you dont know shit

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#52766 May 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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BTW, as you FULLY must know, no one claims extra Carbon is being "generated". It is being transferred from one form to another.
LOL.

That was my idea, not yours. I used the principle of the conservation of matter to arrive at this conclusion.

BTW, what are the thermodynamic properties that govern the greenhouse effect? Give the mathematical and chemical equations?

Only Fourier's Law can well describe the transfer of heat between bodies in contact across a thermal gradient and as such the dissemination or distribution of heat between the atmosphere and the earth's surface (where the lowest level of the atmosphere touches the surface of the earth) cannot be correctly calculated using the radiatiion-transfer equations of Boltzmann because the thermal contact of bodies makes converts the phenomenon into a case concerning Fourier's Law.

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#52767 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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How do you know what the actual limits of the buffer mechanism are?
Its simple chemistry.

You are hung up on the impact side of the cycle. Global warming occurs as a result of CO2 et al. That is a given. The real question is what and how are the regulators,(not what the thermal impacts are)

Cloudy thinking (pun intended)- I dont know what is WORSE -

Volunteerist who cant understand this stuff and insteadt throws around talking points to make himself feel better OR you who tries to use the science but mangles it.

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#52768 May 19, 2013
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Chemical buffer you idiot.
I know about the seas serving as a buffer or as a sink.

Is a chemical buffer different from a thermal buffer since everything in nature - solids, liquids and gases - is made up of matter expressed as chemicals and so any buffer would ultimately reduce to chemicals, and in this specific context of heat transfer (and retentivity), to their thermal capacities, H?

H = mc

(dH/dT)p =(dQ/dT)p = Cp

or H = U + PV

(dU?dT)v =(dQ/dT)v = Cv

So, in this sense, how do you know what the maximum capacity of any buffer would be like?

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#52769 May 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Its simple chemistry.

You are hung up on the impact side of the cycle. Global warming occurs as a result of CO2 et al. That is a given. The real question is what and how are the regulators,(not what the thermal impacts are)

Cloudy thinking (pun intended)- I dont know what is WORSE -
Volunteerist who cant understand this stuff and insteadt throws around talking points to make himself feel better OR you who tries to use the science but mangles it.
Simple chem?

Explain it terms of thermodynamic quantities which is the correct way it should be expressed giving all the mathematical equations.

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#52770 May 19, 2013
typo -

(dU/dT)v =( dQ/dT)v = Cv

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#52771 May 19, 2013
The correspondence/interaction between a thermal gradient and heat flux is crucial to comprehending the direct relationship between thermal conductivity and heat distribution in a material system.

Anyway.

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#52772 May 19, 2013
Global warming does not contradict the 2nd law of thermodynamics. LOL.

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#52773 May 19, 2013
HUGH:

When is Jesus expected on earth in his second avatar?

(smiles)

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#52774 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
That was my idea, not yours. I used the principle of the conservation of matter to arrive at this conclusion.
BTW, what are the thermodynamic properties that govern the greenhouse effect? Give the mathematical and chemical equations?
Only Fourier's Law can well describe the transfer of heat between bodies in contact across a thermal gradient and as such the dissemination or distribution of heat between the atmosphere and the earth's surface (where the lowest level of the atmosphere touches the surface of the earth) cannot be correctly calculated using the radiatiion-transfer equations of Boltzmann because the thermal contact of bodies makes converts the phenomenon into a case concerning Fourier's Law.
Its not "your idea"

Its fundamental - any intro science book which has a paragraph on global warming

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#52775 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I know about the seas serving as a buffer or as a sink.
Is a chemical buffer different from a thermal buffer since everything in nature - solids, liquids and gases - is made up of matter expressed as chemicals and so any buffer would ultimately reduce to chemicals, and in this specific context of heat transfer (and retentivity), to their thermal capacities, H?
H = mc
(dH/dT)p =(dQ/dT)p = Cp
or H = U + PV
(dU?dT)v =(dQ/dT)v = Cv
So, in this sense, how do you know what the maximum capacity of any buffer would be like?
more pretend obfuscation - this reminds of the exchange you had with Seeker the other day where you were unable to respond to a simple question

Look at it simply and try to understand.

The sea is a sink for Carbon - under existing conditions, it has been absorbing much of the excess C being "generated" (i.e. transferred) by humans. But at some point it will be satiated.

A simple controlled experiment can demonstrate this, but obviously the real world is a bit of more challenge since the system is open. But what happens when the sea is satiated? Then what?

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#52776 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Simple chem?
Explain it terms of thermodynamic quantities which is the correct way it should be expressed giving all the mathematical equations.
Simple chemistry as the basic idea is simple. But you complexify it in order to make people think you are gifted or educated.

And you miss the point, and in this case, the whole basis of the problem. Even Time Magazine does a better treatment of the issue.

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#52777 May 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Global warming does not contradict the 2nd law of thermodynamics. LOL.
That has NOTHING to do with the biological responses. That's what I mean by missing the point.

Sure, we have had periods in the Earth history where the concentration of CO2 was elevated. But were there human beings and dicotyledonous plants at that time? Or cycads and protozoas?
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#52778 May 19, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Gee I looked at a form where it states "amount you owe" and it was blank.
Are you insisting that some words on a piece of paper mean that there is a debt?
So would that be payment on a contract or a tort?
Can words on a paper constitute a contract?

I would say very clearly yes.

Tort? Not sure where you're getting that from.

As usual don't know what your point is if in fact you have one.
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#52779 May 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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In Jamaica it just might be the case that taxation is implemented without representation. If so, I can certainly understand how that might frustrate someone like Hughbe, who craves control.
Here in the US, obviously we do have an input.
Perhaps Huggy would be good enough to tell if you has input.

Huggy, do you vote?

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