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Throw off the proud, stupid, violent, ignorant, satanic I.

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It is good to speak good but better to think, feel and act it out.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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What kind of relationship exists between the opposites?
Is it causal?
As for instance, what is the causal relationship between selfishness and selflessness?
Where is the fine interplay between selfishness and selflessness that you refer to?
Think good vs evil.

Or, as in you example, balancing frugality with generosity. Or being frugal so that on can AFFORD to be generous.

The duality of man ("Full Metal Jacket" reference.)

Dualism (from the Latin word duo meaning "two") denotes a state of two parts. The term 'dualism' was originally coined to denote co-eternal binary opposition, a meaning that is preserved in metaphysical and philosophical duality discourse but has been diluted in general or common usages. Dualism can refer to moral dualism,(e.g. the conflict between good and evil), mind-body or mind-matter dualism (e.g. Cartesian Dualism) or physical dualism (e.g. the Chinese Yin and Yang). Dualism holds to the belief that there are two elements of existence: Physical and Spiritual.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
The word "versus" signifies separation or difference between 2 entities.
How do you unify or resolve two opposites or two contradictions each having its own causation, power of realization, effects and basis/conditions of existence?
Can two contradictory entities ever be juxtaposed? Think!
Note the root of the word:

Definition of JUXTAPOSITION

: the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side; also : the state of being so placed

— jux·ta·po·si·tion·al adjective

Origin of JUXTAPOSITION

Latin juxta near + English position — more at joust
First Known Use: 1654

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Note I previously used the term "interplay" - not unlike jousting.

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Think good vs evil.

Or, as in you example, balancing frugality with generosity. Or being frugal so that on can AFFORD to be generous.

The duality of man ("Full Metal Jacket" reference.)

Dualism (from the Latin word duo meaning "two") denotes a state of two parts. The term 'dualism' was originally coined to denote co-eternal binary opposition, a meaning that is preserved in metaphysical and philosophical duality discourse but has been diluted in general or common usages. Dualism can refer to moral dualism,(e.g. the conflict between good and evil), mind-body or mind-matter dualism (e.g. Cartesian Dualism) or physical dualism (e.g. the Chinese Yin and Yang). Dualism holds to the belief that there are two elements of existence: Physical and Spiritual.
ROFL.

You're a retard.

Go debate Voluntarist - both of you are sailing in the same sinking boat.
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You are lost in the trees missing the forest
I think what FR was getting at was that facts and truths are not either/or. His use of vs implies a potential to contrast, but also with common elements as well that may be functions of each other.
Thats is why we have the expression "compare and contrast" to indicate differences, but not necessarily absolutes.
FACT
1) A thing that is indisputably the case.
2) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Excellent. Thanks, Frijoles.

Compare and contrast really captures it.

Similarities and differences both.

As opposed to one or the other.

One of my favorite notions is that people (for example) are more alike than they/we are different. Some choose to focus on our differences (often unfortunately) while others focus in that which we have in common.

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May 17, 2013
 
That which being developed and becoming everything in the manifestation but yet remaining the same in the underlying essence is the absolute.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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What is the relationship between fact and truth?
(smiles)
Something can be factually true while not capturing the truth of the thing.

Have you ever heard of the letter vs the spirit of the law?

Engineers tend to think in concrete terms and would have a problem with this sort of thinking.

Is that perhaps your problem? Not familiar with abstract thought?
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May 17, 2013
 
I should have said:

Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.

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ROFL.
You're a retard.
Go debate Voluntarist - both of you are sailing in the same sinking boat.
Is it that difficult to remain on an elevated level of discourse?

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I should have said:
Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.
There are a few meanings and uses for fact.

In the scientific world, you can perhaps exchange the word "facts" for "data", and "truth" for conclusion, or even hypothesis. I.E. to adapt that approach back into the nonscientific world, facts are what you reason with to make conclusions (truth).

I think the legal system works the same way.(?)
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That's a deal.
Don't pay your taxes.
Mickey Sherman did a year in prison
for not paying his.
So you'll be in good company.
Again you imply that if someone sits in a cage that somehow legitimizes a law.
btw Sherman is not a good attorney like others make him out to be.
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Frijoles wrote:
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There are a few meanings and uses for fact.
In the scientific world, you can perhaps exchange the word "facts" for "data", and "truth" for conclusion, or even hypothesis. I.E. to adapt that approach back into the nonscientific world, facts are what you reason with to make conclusions (truth).
I think the legal system works the same way.(?)
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ultimate fact n. in a trial, a conclusion of fact which is logically
deduced from evidence ("evidentiary facts"). Example: the evidentiary
facts were that driver Larry Leadfoot a) exceeded the speed limit, b)
drove over the double-line, c) skidded and lost control of his car; the
ultimate fact was, therefore, Leadfoot was negligent. It is essential to
introduce the evidentiary facts during the trial in order to prove the
ultimate fact. A mere statement by a witness that "Leadfoot was
negligent" is not sufficient, since it is an opinion of the witness and is
not evidence.(See: evidence)
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former res wrote:
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Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.
Your statement should read "capture the truth of the whole thing"
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True about Congress. We agree on that but we probably disagree about where to cut spending. You folks always want a lot of military spending.
But I do believe in paying ones debts.
Try not to make generalizations "you folks", not me.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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Again you imply that if someone sits in a cage that somehow legitimizes a law.
btw Sherman is not a good attorney like others make him out to be.
Re Sherman, Michael Skakel agrees with you.

Remember I told you I'm more of a pragmatist than an idealist?

I pay my taxes like I brush my teeth. Not because I enjoy it.

Makes more sense to do it than to not do it.
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ultimate fact n. in a trial, a conclusion of fact which is logically
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facts were that driver Larry Leadfoot a) exceeded the speed limit, b)
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ultimate fact was, therefore, Leadfoot was negligent. It is essential to
introduce the evidentiary facts during the trial in order to prove the
ultimate fact. A mere statement by a witness that "Leadfoot was
negligent" is not sufficient, since it is an opinion of the witness and is
not evidence.(See: evidence)
Conversely, for many folks, they have absolutely no facts/evidence that their god exists, but their personal "truth" is that he does and that he hears their prayers.

My truth is that I don't know. And yet I'm operating form the same facts of he case.
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Your statement should read "capture the truth of the whole thing"
I tend to think of it more as the essential truth.

You are speaking more legally, as in "the whole truth and nothing but..."

It' a more technical take on it.

Mine being more philosophical.
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Try not to make generalizations "you folks", not me.
You either care about poor people or you don't.

You don't.

You and your kind.
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Conversely, for many folks, they have absolutely no facts/evidence that their god exists, but their personal "truth" is that he does and that he hears their prayers.
My truth is that I don't know. And yet I'm operating form the same facts of he case.
Same goes for you who believes that the constitution and laws are applicable to you.

If the church put you in a cage you would be a believer.

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