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#52659 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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Even if they are opposites, that constitutes a relationship.

There is fine interplay.
What kind of relationship exists between the opposites?

Is it causal?

As for instance, what is the causal relationship between selfishness and selflessness?

Where is the fine interplay between selfishness and selflessness that you refer to?

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#52660 May 17, 2013
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I would vigorously disagree that the juxtaposition indicated by "versus" constitutes independence from one another.

Quite the opposite (so to speak).
LOL.

The word "versus" signifies separation or difference between 2 entities.

How do you unify or resolve two opposites or two contradictions each having its own causation, power of realization, effects and basis/conditions of existence?

Can two contradictory entities ever be juxtaposed? Think!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52661 May 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
The word "versus" signifies separation or difference between 2 entities.
How do you unify or resolve two opposites or two contradictions each having its own causation, power of realization, effects and basis/conditions of existence?
Can two contradictory entities ever be juxtaposed? Think!
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Really?
This is what you said:
FORMER RES: "So I take it you don't know the difference between something being factual vs truthful/true."
The word vs (versus) indicates that fact is independent of truth.
Your reply implies that the two - fact and truth - are unrelated and now you're claiming that you never said so.
You are lost in the trees missing the forest

I think what FR was getting at was that facts and truths are not either/or. His use of vs implies a potential to contrast, but also with common elements as well that may be functions of each other.

Thats is why we have the expression "compare and contrast" to indicate differences, but not necessarily absolutes.

FACT
1) A thing that is indisputably the case.
2) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

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#52663 May 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I think what FR was getting at was that facts and truths are not either/or. His use of vs implies a potential to contrast, but also with common elements as well that may be functions of each other.

Thats is why we have the expression "compare and contrast" to indicate d

1) A thing that is indisputably the case.
2) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Nonsense.

Your logic is even more silly.

Former has the mind of a kid.

He makes bold statements that he himself does not understand and when accosted he comes up with bloopers.

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#52664 May 17, 2013
FORMER:

What is the relationship between fact and truth?

(smiles)

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#52665 May 17, 2013
Dejection is contraction of consciousness, delight is expansion of consciousness.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52666 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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As soon as you can factually prove that I am a tax payer with taxable income I'll give some gold.
That's a deal.

Don't pay your taxes.

Mickey Sherman did a year in prison
for not paying his.

So you'll be in good company.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52667 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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.Not to mention the fact that congress is drunk on money there is no limit to what they would like to have.
It's not my national debt, if you want to own it and pay the banker gangsters interest for the rest of your life, go ahead.
True about Congress. We agree on that but we probably disagree about where to cut spending. You folks always want a lot of military spending.

But I do believe in paying ones debts.

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#52668 May 17, 2013
Throw off the proud, stupid, violent, ignorant, satanic I.

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#52669 May 17, 2013
It is good to speak good but better to think, feel and act it out.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52670 May 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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What kind of relationship exists between the opposites?
Is it causal?
As for instance, what is the causal relationship between selfishness and selflessness?
Where is the fine interplay between selfishness and selflessness that you refer to?
Think good vs evil.

Or, as in you example, balancing frugality with generosity. Or being frugal so that on can AFFORD to be generous.

The duality of man ("Full Metal Jacket" reference.)

Dualism (from the Latin word duo meaning "two") denotes a state of two parts. The term 'dualism' was originally coined to denote co-eternal binary opposition, a meaning that is preserved in metaphysical and philosophical duality discourse but has been diluted in general or common usages. Dualism can refer to moral dualism,(e.g. the conflict between good and evil), mind-body or mind-matter dualism (e.g. Cartesian Dualism) or physical dualism (e.g. the Chinese Yin and Yang). Dualism holds to the belief that there are two elements of existence: Physical and Spiritual.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52671 May 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
The word "versus" signifies separation or difference between 2 entities.
How do you unify or resolve two opposites or two contradictions each having its own causation, power of realization, effects and basis/conditions of existence?
Can two contradictory entities ever be juxtaposed? Think!
Note the root of the word:

Definition of JUXTAPOSITION

: the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side; also : the state of being so placed

— jux·ta·po·si·tion·al adjective

Origin of JUXTAPOSITION

Latin juxta near + English position — more at joust
First Known Use: 1654

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Note I previously used the term "interplay" - not unlike jousting.

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#52672 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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Think good vs evil.

Or, as in you example, balancing frugality with generosity. Or being frugal so that on can AFFORD to be generous.

The duality of man ("Full Metal Jacket" reference.)

Dualism (from the Latin word duo meaning "two") denotes a state of two parts. The term 'dualism' was originally coined to denote co-eternal binary opposition, a meaning that is preserved in metaphysical and philosophical duality discourse but has been diluted in general or common usages. Dualism can refer to moral dualism,(e.g. the conflict between good and evil), mind-body or mind-matter dualism (e.g. Cartesian Dualism) or physical dualism (e.g. the Chinese Yin and Yang). Dualism holds to the belief that there are two elements of existence: Physical and Spiritual.
ROFL.

You're a retard.

Go debate Voluntarist - both of you are sailing in the same sinking boat.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52673 May 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are lost in the trees missing the forest
I think what FR was getting at was that facts and truths are not either/or. His use of vs implies a potential to contrast, but also with common elements as well that may be functions of each other.
Thats is why we have the expression "compare and contrast" to indicate differences, but not necessarily absolutes.
FACT
1) A thing that is indisputably the case.
2) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Excellent. Thanks, Frijoles.

Compare and contrast really captures it.

Similarities and differences both.

As opposed to one or the other.

One of my favorite notions is that people (for example) are more alike than they/we are different. Some choose to focus on our differences (often unfortunately) while others focus in that which we have in common.

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#52674 May 17, 2013
That which being developed and becoming everything in the manifestation but yet remaining the same in the underlying essence is the absolute.
former res

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#52675 May 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
FORMER:
What is the relationship between fact and truth?
(smiles)
Something can be factually true while not capturing the truth of the thing.

Have you ever heard of the letter vs the spirit of the law?

Engineers tend to think in concrete terms and would have a problem with this sort of thinking.

Is that perhaps your problem? Not familiar with abstract thought?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52676 May 17, 2013
I should have said:

Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52677 May 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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ROFL.
You're a retard.
Go debate Voluntarist - both of you are sailing in the same sinking boat.
Is it that difficult to remain on an elevated level of discourse?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52678 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
I should have said:
Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.
There are a few meanings and uses for fact.

In the scientific world, you can perhaps exchange the word "facts" for "data", and "truth" for conclusion, or even hypothesis. I.E. to adapt that approach back into the nonscientific world, facts are what you reason with to make conclusions (truth).

I think the legal system works the same way.(?)
Voluntarist

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#52679 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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That's a deal.
Don't pay your taxes.
Mickey Sherman did a year in prison
for not paying his.
So you'll be in good company.
Again you imply that if someone sits in a cage that somehow legitimizes a law.
btw Sherman is not a good attorney like others make him out to be.

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