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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#52483 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The question is whose interpretation of the law do we follow? The courts or yours?
It's not about interpreting law, boy are you dense.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#52485 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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It's not about recognizing the courts, it's about ratification.
Nope

To quite the wise FR

"Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]"

Like I said, you can live out of the legal fringe, but dont expect us to buy into that

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#52486 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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It's not about interpreting law, boy are you dense.
see above post

who is being dense, now?

:)
Voluntarist

United States

#52487 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
To quite the wise FR
"Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]"
Like I said, you can live out of the legal fringe, but dont expect us to buy into that
That's cute but that doesn't change the facts and if you are a believer of the nation of laws you can not pick and choose laws that skirt the process.
So are you of the opinion that judicial OPINIONS mean everything?
Voluntarist

United States

#52488 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
see above post
who is being dense, now?
:)
You won't get away with that, please post case cites with findings of facts and conclusions of law.

Since: May 13

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#52489 May 15, 2013
For how many positive integral values of n does n! end with precisely 25 zeroes?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52490 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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No roe v wade is not about ratification if an amendment.
I didn't need the supreme court to tell me that the 2nd is an individual right, it's quite obvious.
The issue here is not the issue, it's the authority of the
Supreme Court. You either recognize it or you don't. The test for that is when you disagree with their decision, not when you agree.

They were needed to clarify the intent of the 2nd.

Many still think it only pertains to a "well regulated
militia."

Like you, they choose not to recognize the authority of the
Court.(Though you appear to recognize it when you agree with their decision, much like a fair weather friend.)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52491 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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And the sky is purple today
So you suffer from hallucinations (senses) as well as delusions (thought).
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52492 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Of course an individual in a free market can do it better and cheaper than government, no problem with services just have a problem with how they are funded, by the gun.
I don't get the "of course" part.

Medicare has the lowest cost and highest satisfaction rate of any health insurance plan.

What private company could deliver a letter across the country for less than a dollar?(note that adding 30 cents or so to the cost of mailing a letter would solve the Postal Service's fiscal ills. They should do it now. No private company can touch that price.)
Voluntarist

United States

#52493 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue here is not the issue, it's the authority of the
Supreme Court. You either recognize it or you don't. The test for that is when you disagree with their decision, not when you agree.
They were needed to clarify the intent of the 2nd.
Many still think it only pertains to a "well regulated
militia."
Like you, they choose not to recognize the authority of the
Court.(Though you appear to recognize it when you agree with their decision, much like a fair weather friend.)
It has always been an individual right the argument is purely political.

If you want to stick to interpreting, the supreme court stated that the 16th amendment gave congress no new taxing power.
Voluntarist

United States

#52494 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get the "of course" part.
Medicare has the lowest cost and highest satisfaction rate of any health insurance plan.
What private company could deliver a letter across the country for less than a dollar?(note that adding 30 cents or so to the cost of mailing a letter would solve the Postal Service's fiscal ills. They should do it now. No private company can touch that price.)
Well the government has the monopoly on 1st class mail, you will never know.

Does Medicare have predetermined fixed payouts?
Is it subsidized?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52495 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
That's cute but that doesn't change the facts and if you are a believer of the nation of laws you can not pick and choose laws that skirt the process.
It seems you're the one who only wants to follow CERTAIN laws that you happen to agree with.
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you of the opinion that judicial OPINIONS mean everything?
You've seriously never heard of common law or case law. This provides us with much of the law of the land:

Common law, also known as case law or precedent, is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals,[1] as opposed to Civil (Codified/Continental) Law set on statutes adopted through the legislative/parliamentary process and/or regulations issued by the executive branch on base of the parliamentary statutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
Voluntarist

United States

#52496 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
So you suffer from hallucinations (senses) as well as delusions (thought).
Whether an amendment is ratified or not is not up to interpretation, it either is or isn't.

That makes you the delusional one.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52497 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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It has always been an individual right the argument is purely political...
Much like your opposition to the income tax.

Pure posturing.

You never answered me on the gas tax.

You agree with use/consumption taxes vs income tax?(Despite their regressive nature..)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52498 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Whether an amendment is ratified or not is not up to interpretation, it either is or isn't.
That makes you the delusional one.
You're saying you don't recognize the authority and validity of the Supreme Court.

I will remind you of this next time you cite them as an authority.

You can't be a fair weather American.

Love it or leave it, punk!!
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52499 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well the government has the monopoly on 1st class mail, you will never know.
Does Medicare have predetermined fixed payouts?
Is it subsidized?
1% overhead.

No private company can match that.

Every ins has limits on coverage.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52501 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue here is not the issue, it's the authority of the
Supreme Court. You either recognize it or you don't. The test for that is when you disagree with their decision, not when you agree.
They were needed to clarify the intent of the 2nd.
Many still think it only pertains to a "well regulated
militia."
Like you, they choose not to recognize the authority of the
Court.(Though you appear to recognize it when you agree with their decision, much like a fair weather friend.)
Like I suggested before, ATF is "UnAmerican", and needs to be understood as such
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52502 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
To quite the wise FR
"Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]"
Like I said, you can live out of the legal fringe, but dont expect us to buy into that
Nice to know I'm remembered when not around!
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52503 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Like I suggested before, ATF is "UnAmerican", and needs to be understood as such
Maybe he's a Communist.

I think he should be investigated.

And maybe audited too.
Voluntarist

United States

#52504 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems you're the one who only wants to follow CERTAIN laws that you happen to agree with.
<quoted text>
You've seriously never heard of common law or case law. This provides us with much of the law of the land:
Common law, also known as case law or precedent, is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals,[1] as opposed to Civil (Codified/Continental) Law set on statutes adopted through the legislative/parliamentary process and/or regulations issued by the executive branch on base of the parliamentary statutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
Case law states that the 16th amendment gave congress no new taxing authority.

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