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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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Frijoles---"movement " suggests to me(Frijoles) EVASION
HughBe--- Thank you for your forthright opinion.
It explains, to me, the existence of the various MOVEMENTS in Judaism e.g. " All of the Orthodox MOVEMENTS are very similar in their observance and beliefs, differing only in the details that are emphasized. "
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J ...
FRijoles---You remind me of a little kid who has to tantrum to make his presence known
HughBe--- Nothing has changed, I accept your words i.e. "movement suggests to me(Frijoles) EVASION".
All I have done is to make the observation that Judaism has various MOVEMENTS.
Tilt that windmill!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windm...

Tilting at windmills is an English idiom which means attacking imaginary enemies. The word “tilt”, in this context, comes from jousting.

The phrase is sometimes used to describe confrontations where adversaries are incorrectly perceived, or to courses of action that are based on misinterpreted or misapplied heroic, romantic, or idealistic justifications.

The phrase derives from an episode in the novel Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes. In the novel, Don Quixote fights windmills that he imagines to be giants. Quixote sees the windmill blades as the giant's arms, for instance. A relevant portion of the novel states:

Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

"What giants?" asked Sancho Panza.

"Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."

—Part 1, Chapter VIII. Of the valourous Don Quixote's success in the dreadful and never before imagined Adventure of the Windmills, with other events worthy of happy record.
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Anyone who believes in forcefully taking private property is not a good person.
Are you referring to taxation?
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So you extrapolate from the individual level to the group level to place blame?
WAIT!
Dont I remember something recently from you admonishing people who did that?
admissions is plural my friend
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Are you referring to taxation?
Anytime someone uses force to extract property that is not theirs is wrong, dont you agree?
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In response, Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment (ratified by the requisite number of states in 1913),[40] which states:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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chuckle
reminds me of Colonel Flag, once again (Mash)
rabbee: or like klinger, trying to not be recognized by the us army, either in the nude or with a dress on.

but in the army i did learn from another, you don't try to get out. by not being recognized in the army. by putting a bullet in your foot, with an m60 machine gun. without considering, your finger might just freeze from pain at the first round.

walking point who in the hell, can be afraid of an enemy. with all that, freindly fire behind you.

don't believe them, when they say they always let the point man go by. before they, pop an ambush.

or what happens when you spot the ambush, and then have both sides shooting at you. and artillery or napalm, does not read unit insignias first before detonation.
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Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Anytime someone uses force to extract property that is not theirs is wrong, dont you agree?
Do you not believe in our Constitution?

See the 16th Amendment please.
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former res wrote:
In response, Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment (ratified by the requisite number of states in 1913),[40] which states:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Thanks for posting congressional authority over the federal government.
Still asking for the FACTS that the constitution and code are applicable, try doing it without invoking the gun.
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Do you not believe in our Constitution?
See the 16th Amendment please.
Not without any facts that it is applicable to me, as much as you believe in religion.

And if it only requires me to believe, i would say not.

Im asking for the facts and you are telling me about some retarded law from almost 100 years ago.
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Not without any facts that it is applicable to me, as much as you believe in religion.
And if it only requires me to believe, i would say not.
Im asking for the facts and you are telling me about some retarded law from almost 100 years ago.
The members of Congress were elected by the people.

In effect didn't "the people" vote for the 16 Amendment?

Don't the people have a right to vote to tax themselves?

They have chosen this path to fund the government.
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http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observati...
400 PPM: Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere Reaches Prehistoric Levels
Scientific American
That data was wrong.
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The members of Congress were elected by the people.
In effect didn't "the people" vote for the 16 Amendment?
Don't the people have a right to vote to tax themselves?
They have chosen this path to fund the government.
Do people have a right to forcefully take others property?

Can armed robbery be voted on?

I didnt vote them in.

Still no facts? or are you claiming that those are facts?
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Thanks for posting congressional authority over the federal government.
What's going on now - Benghazi, the IRS/Tea Party thing - would suggest the Executive Branch is in control. The Citizens United decision and the election of Bush 43 would suggest the Supreme Court is in control.

Perhaps it is more as the framers intended:

"One of the theoretical pillars of the United States Constitution is the idea of "checks and balances" among the powers and responsibilities of the three branches of American government: the executive, the legislative and the judiciary."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_governme...
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Still asking for the FACTS that the constitution and code are applicable, try doing it without invoking the gun.
Not sure what you mean.

Perhaps you should ask a constitutional law professor.

I hear there's one in The Oval Office.
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Do people have a right to forcefully take others property?
Can armed robbery be voted on?
I didnt vote them in.
Still no facts? or are you claiming that those are facts?
Now I see your confusion:

1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)

2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.

An other questions? Feel free.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: or like klinger, trying to not be recognized by the us army, either in the nude or with a dress on.
but in the army i did learn from another, you don't try to get out. by not being recognized in the army. by putting a bullet in your foot, with an m60 machine gun. without considering, your finger might just freeze from pain at the first round.
walking point who in the hell, can be afraid of an enemy. with all that, freindly fire behind you.
don't believe them, when they say they always let the point man go by. before they, pop an ambush.
or what happens when you spot the ambush, and then have both sides shooting at you. and artillery or napalm, does not read unit insignias first before detonation.
hey porky, you probably know krav maga too?
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Now I see your confusion:
1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)
2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.
An other questions? Feel free.
.And those facts that you rely on that acts of congress are applicable to me?

And if a church congregation in your neighborhood gets together and decides that you owe a tax because you live in their district it is justified even if they take your property by force, according to your logic.
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Now I see your confusion:
1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)
2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.
An other questions? Feel free.
Umm no

But that same constitution states that persons or property shall not be seized absent a warrant.
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Are you referring to taxation?
If you have any morals you would agree that whether it is a group of people or individuals that conspire to strip you of your property , its wrong.
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In 2009 Constantijn wrote a RAND technical paper, stating that the
EU and a few elite nations should take the lead role in deciding a
global governance structure for internet regulation and developing
technologies. In the paper titled Trends in connectivity
technologies and their socioeconomic impacts , the prince
envisions a global coordination role for the EU:
“(…) both policy issues and effective responses must be defined at
a global level; to influence the solution a global coordination and
‘enlightened leadership’ is required.” and “policy issues, not
always solutions, will be defined at a global level. Those few
countries or regional blocks like the EU where these technologies
are already at an advanced stage may take a more or less
enlightened lead role.”

http://m.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/techn...

David Rockefeller
We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York
Times, Time Magazine and their great publications
whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost forty
years. It would have been impossible for us to develop
our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of
publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated
and prepared to march towards a world government. The
supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is
surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past
centuries.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/david_roc...

Al Gore
Climate bill will help bring about global
governance....But it is the awareness itself that will
drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the
change is through global governance and global
agreements.
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change-issue-can-lead-to-world -government/

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