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#52259 May 13, 2013
Not sure where these people are vis a vis evasion vs aversion - but "movement" suggests to me evasion, "central idea" could mean aversion, and "varying degrees" leaves room for both.
Abolish The Fed

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#52260 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You do realize that an election was won partly over this issue?
Only a few right wingers still believe that Iraq was behind 911. And lots of people, myself included initially supported the war but still never thought for a moment that there was a 911 connection. Rather, we thought there were WMDs.
You are speaking generalization after generalization.

Mean time iraq and afgan is still occupied and gitmo is still open.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52261 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Fed governmnent is staffed by humans.
You need to get out of your basement more often.
Anyway, I see you gave up on the CO2 article critique. Does science give you a head ache?
There is no convincing you, global warming is like a cult to you.
Abolish The Fed

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#52262 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont have a problem with it. Unless there is evidence that prosecution were handled any differently, which so far, there isnt.
The Tea Party is not only a political group (they run candidates) but they promote tax aversion. It would seem to me that this is exactly what the IRS should be investigating.
I dont get the backlash.
The backlash is the profiling dont you get it einstein?

Besides, the IRS doesnt care about evidence so your argument is foolish.

Meanwhile GE pays zero taxes, thats ok go after political enemies.
Abolish The Fed

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#52263 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont get how IRS investigation is implicitly tyrannical.
Lets look at a false equivalence that is being bandied around. Black people being pulled over by cops. That is wrong. In that situation, there is no reason to believe that black people are more guilty of a potential crime than white people, therefore profiling for the purpose of investigation is wrong.
But in the case of the Tea Party - these people are actually advocating illegal behavior. Therefore, the potential is there. Plus they are not acting as individuals, they are filing as an organization with voluntary membership. So it makes sense to profile the organization.
You are still making generalizations do you know how foolish you sound?

Is there anything this administration does that will make you be critical?
Abolish The Fed

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#52264 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2
The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.
"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.
Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)
The splc is just an extension of the federal government, they mean nothing.

They have a libertarian guy that ran for congress listed for no reason, no evidence , nothing.
Purely political enemy.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52265 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2
The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.
"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.
Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)
Yet government prosecutors refuse to offer evidence that the constitution and code are applicable time and time again.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52266 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2
The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.
"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.
Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)
If it was about terrorism, why wouldn't the IRS have handed this off to Homeland Security?

I thought you were saying it was about tax aversion/evasion.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52267 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tax-Resistance...
Excerpt: The Tea Party movement (TPM) is an American populist political movement which is generally recognized as conservative and libertarian, and has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009. It endorses reduced government spending, opposition to taxation in varying degrees, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. The name "Tea Party" is a re...
And??? Still not seeing the promotion of tax evasion only reduction in spending and taxation.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52268 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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There is no convincing you, global warming is like a cult to you.
I will be more than happy to discuss the topic with you, provided you tell me what exactly you are having difficulty with. So far I offered an article about co2 levels and you are off on a rant about global warming.

What in the article do you take issue with?(hint - you should probably click on the link and actually read the damn article)

This is how logical people operate.

former res

Cheshire, CT

#52269 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Not sure where these people are vis a vis evasion vs aversion - but "movement" suggests to me evasion, "central idea" could mean aversion, and "varying degrees" leaves room for both.
I give you credit for creative thinking.

And I accept your reversal/self-correction on the issue!

Honest mistake. Probably some lefty blathering on NPR planted the seed.

:))

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#52270 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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If it was about terrorism, why wouldn't the IRS have handed this off to Homeland Security?
I thought you were saying it was about tax aversion/evasion.
I posted that for the insight into ideologies. You posed a good question and I was trying to see what is openly available on the topic.

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#52271 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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If it was about terrorism, why wouldn't the IRS have handed this off to Homeland Security?
I thought you were saying it was about tax aversion/evasion.
"tax resistence" sounds like evasion to me.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52272 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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There is no convincing you, global warming is like a cult to you.
And you think you know more about the subject than 95% of the world's climate scientists?

I doubt it. Though I'm sure you're a fine young man.

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#52273 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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The backlash is the profiling dont you get it einstein?
Besides, the IRS doesnt care about evidence so your argument is foolish.
Meanwhile GE pays zero taxes, thats ok go after political enemies.
IRS did care about the evidence, as no one is claiming that they prosecuted these groups unfairly. Only that they profiled them for auditing.

I am fine with the profiling, if, as FR questioned, the members actually evaded the taxes.

Besides, even if they didnt evade taxes, the fact is that it is a political group and therefore really shouldnt be a nonprofit. That is what triggered the whole event.

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#52274 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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I give you credit for creative thinking.
And I accept your reversal/self-correction on the issue!
Honest mistake. Probably some lefty blathering on NPR planted the seed.
:))
I admit I am still grappling with this issue to see if it is an outrage or not. Its hard to take the rightwing seriously with all the smoke they are blowing on all fronts.

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#52275 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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And??? Still not seeing the promotion of tax evasion only reduction in spending and taxation.
"opposition to taxation". Is that aversion or evasion? who knows?

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#52276 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Yet government prosecutors refuse to offer evidence that the constitution and code are applicable time and time again.
stay on track, willya

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#52277 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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You are speaking generalization after generalization.
Mean time iraq and afgan is still occupied and gitmo is still open.
Iraq is still occupied? thats news to me. When do I get my oil?

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#52278 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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And you think you know more about the subject than 95% of the world's climate scientists?
I doubt it. Though I'm sure you're a fine young man.
Note his inability to articulate a specific critique of the article.

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