Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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Since: May 12

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#51862 May 7, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: oh no, the city of aurora is in arapahoe and adams counties, not even in the city and county of denver.
Oh I see why now.

Some years ago I was in Denver and Aurora, the two cities were/are very close to each other, only 20-30 minutes by car so I thought Aurora was in the county of Denver.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51863 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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I posted this for him - see top post on this page where he replied to me and ignored my question about this exact same paragraph.
It might be too abstract for him to consider.
I know, I stole it from your post

ATF would benefit to understand that his outlook is not only nothing new, but it has been developed into greater levels of sophistication by previous social philosophers - many of them, such as Hobbes, acknowledged as starchly conservative.
Voluntarist

United States

#51864 May 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Every town has local regulations - some towns are subdivisions of the state and given that power.
Speed on a local road. That will be the proof.
So the Constitution is meaningless once again?
Why dont those elected law makers just delgate someone else to sit and vote on their behalf so they can stay home all day.
Voluntarist

United States

#51865 May 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Every town has local regulations - some towns are subdivisions of the state and given that power.
Speed on a local road. That will be the proof.
Do you mean a speed limit on a road?

They can not post a sign without nannies permission.
Voluntarist

United States

#51866 May 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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We are talking about social contracts, not lawyer tools. Expand your mind a little, understand a little about political theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
In political philosophy the social contract or political contractis a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory.
Someones philosophy is as meaningful and holds as much force as a fart in church.

I am asking for facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
You make a whole lot of sense, well your honor we have this philosopher and he was a conservative and that is a fact that we are relying on to charge voluntarist with this code violation.
Voluntarist

United States

#51867 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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No. Never said they were.
I asked you about social contracts.
Irelevant i have no social contract with anyone, so please provide the facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51868 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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If you buy into a community with an HOA in place, you must comply.
If you live in the USA, you must comply with the rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a US citizen.
America: Love it leave it.
We'll miss you.
BTW - where should we forward your mail?
What facts do you rely on to presume that the constituton and code are applicable to me?
Voluntarist

United States

#51869 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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I posted this for him - see top post on this page where he replied to me and ignored my question about this exact same paragraph.
It might be too abstract for him to consider.
Thats just an opinion, i am shocked at you, someone who is an athiest should be looking for facts.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51870 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Irelevant i have no social contract with anyone, so please provide the facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
You're asking the wrong person.

I've told you, I'm much more of pragmatist than an idealist.

I know what the rules are and how to stay out of jail.

Not sure what your point is. Do you?5008
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51871 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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What facts do you rely on to presume that the constituton and code are applicable to me?
It's like talking to Rain Man.

All you care about is what time Wapner is on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51872 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Thats just an opinion, i am shocked at you, someone who is an athiest should be looking for facts.
Yes, social philosophy is all about ideas (and opinions).

Much like your current obsession about.....what was it again?:

"How do you know our state constitution applies to us?"

Is this you central question here?

How did you come across this major issue of the day?

Are you sure there isn't anything else more important happening in the world?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51873 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Someones philosophy is as meaningful and holds as much force as a fart in church.
I am asking for facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
You make a whole lot of sense, well your honor we have this philosopher and he was a conservative and that is a fact that we are relying on to charge voluntarist with this code violation.
You are imposing your own requirements on your discourse.

To the rest of us, that is about meaningful as a fart in church.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51874 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Irelevant i have no social contract with anyone, so please provide the facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Actually you do. You have consented to be a part of this society. Which enables you opportunities such as communicating on the internet which requires consent.

To drill the idea more deeply, note the word(s) INTER NET

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51875 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, social philosophy is all about ideas (and opinions).
Much like your current obsession about.....what was it again?:
"How do you know our state constitution applies to us?"
Is this you central question here?
How did you come across this major issue of the day?
Are you sure there isn't anything else more important happening in the world?
chuckle
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51876 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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Clearly there I was referring to the milo.
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Yes I would and anything else you recommend. I am very adventurous when it comes to trying different cuisines.
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No alcohol at all?
HughBe--- Our local flesh is NOT SWEET it is closer to being salt than sweet.

Former--Clearly there I was referring to the milo.

HughBe--- I prefer my understanding.
Besides how sweet Milo is is a function of what type of milk and how much sugar,is added. Put it this way, Milo mixed with unsweetened cow's milk is not sweet and so the matter of sweet tooth would not arise.

HughBe --Would you be interested in EATING our salt FISH?

Former--Yes I would and anything else you recommend.

HughBe--- The sign of a very wise man.

Former--- I am very ADVENTUROUS when it comes to trying different cuisines.

HughBe--- Indeed our cuisine is truly a memorable adventure into SPACE and in particular black HOLES.

Former--Was that a yes or no about the Red Strip beer?

HughBe-- I am not a consumer of beer

Former--No alcohol at all?

HughBe--- wine and rarely a pinch of rum in a drink.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51877 May 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Actually you do. You have consented to be a part of this society..
Yes! This is the piece he doesn't get.

Simply by agreeing to live in this society, he is taking part in the contract, as I stated...

"If you live in the USA, you must comply with the rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a US citizen.
America: Love it leave it."

Of course, the last line, as a bumper sticker from the 60s and is somewhat tongue in cheek.(I actually had that bumper sticker on my locker and the principal took it off! Free speech!)

I asked ATF where he would rather live and he never responded.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51878 May 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Besides how sweet Milo is is a function of what type of milk and how much sugar,is added. Put it this way, Milo mixed with unsweetened cow's milk is not sweet and so the matter of sweet tooth would not arise.
"Milo dissolved in water has a Glycemic Index (GI) of 55, the same as Coca-Cola.[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_ (drink)
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Indeed our cuisine is truly a memorable adventure into SPACE and in particular black HOLES.
Your god would not want you to turn everything into a "dirty" conversation.

Try and be a good person. Someone your mother might be proud of.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--No alcohol at all?
HughBe--- wine and rarely a pinch of rum in a drink.
All things in moderation. Very good.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51879 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
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Yes! This is the piece he doesn't get.
Simply by agreeing to live in this society, he is taking part in the contract, as I stated...
"If you live in the USA, you must comply with the rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a US citizen.
America: Love it leave it."
Of course, the last line, as a bumper sticker from the 60s and is somewhat tongue in cheek.(I actually had that bumper sticker on my locker and the principal took it off! Free speech!)
I asked ATF where he would rather live and he never responded.
Former---"If you LIVE in the USA, you must comply with the RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES and responsibilities of being a US citizen.

HughBe--- Are your words applicable to LEGAL aliens LIVING in the US?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51880 May 7, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
"Milo dissolved in water has a Glycemic Index (GI) of 55, the same as Coca-Cola.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_ (drink)
<quoted text>
Your god would not want you to turn everything into a "dirty" conversation.
Try and be a good person. Someone your mother might be proud of.
<quoted text>
All things in moderation. Very good.
HughBe--- Indeed our cuisine is truly a memorable adventure into SPACE and in particular black HOLES.

Former--Your god would not want you to turn everything into a "dirty" conversation.

HughBe--- I have no "god". In addition, I was not speaking about anything that was "dirty". I was speaking about CLEAN space,
CLEAN holes and CLEAN adventure.

Former---Try and be a good person. Someone your mother might be proud of.

HughBe--- As Sammy said, I got to be me.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51881 May 7, 2013
Perhaps this is what ATF needs....

"During her trial, Hill was ordered by the judge in Newark, New Jersey to undergo counseling because of her CONSPIRACY THEORIES......."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/465175/2013...

Reclusive soul superstar Lauryn Hill has been jailed over an enormous unpaid tax bill.

Fugees singer Hill, 37, was sentenced to three months' jail followed by three months' home confinement for failing to pay $500,000 to the taxman in the United States.

Hill claimed the sum was outstanding because she had "withdrawn from society" after alleged threats against her family.

She was imprisoned after failing to pay the amount within the stipulated two-week timeframe.

During her trial, Hill was ordered by the judge in Newark, New Jersey to undergo counseling because of her CONSPIRACY THEORIES - including that artists are being oppressed by a plot involving the military and media.

Hill pleaded guilty to charges of tax evasion last year. Her lawyers said she had paid more than $970,000 of an outstanding tax bill which amounted to more than $2m.

Hill vanished from public life to raise her five children by Rohan Marley - the son of acclaimed reggae singer Bob - following the success of her album 'The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill' in 1998.

Shortly before she was arrested last year, Hill penned a diatribe declaiming the music industry.

In the rant, Hill blasted pop music for a "climate of hostility, false entitlement, manipulation, racial prejudice, sexism and ageism.

"Over-commercialisation and its resulting restrictions and limitations can be very damaging and distorting to the inherent nature of the individual."

During her trial, Hill claimed she is still forced to live under the pernicious economic hierarchy imposed by the slave trade.

She told the court: "I am a child of former slaves who had a system imposed on them. I had an economic system imposed on me."

Hill became internationally famous in the mid-1990s as a member of The Fugees. The band's second album The Score sold almost 20m copies worldwide and spawned smash hit single Killing me Softly.

After the band split up, Hill released 'The Miseducation' which won six Grammy awards. At the time of beng sentenced, she was working on the long-awaited follow-up entitled 'The Return.'

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