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former res

Cheshire, CT

#51798 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The perils of a voluntary society, of course if you are negotiating a contract you should be smart enough to include an out clause.
One is included in the US constitution , not that it is a valid contract or applicable to anyone.
An hoa is an example of a voluntary society but in a true voluntary society one would pick and choose who to do business with.
You would think one that signs a contract would determine a term with an expiration date.
Yes, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Without Mommy and Daddy (gov't) dictating our every move, we have to think from time to time.

The perils include planning for one's financial needs in retirement, negotiating financing/contracts etc.

I do actually believe in personal responsibility.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51799 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why it is a farce to call it a right, it is merely a government authorized privilege.
Gov't is just the name for those things we've collectively (via majority or supermajority via representation) decided to do together.

Therefore we ourselves grant rights, responsibilities, and privileges.

We created our own government. Built into that system are the mechanisms for modifying, contracting, or expanding it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51800 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Anarchy is absolute freedom without a ruler, id there something wrong with that?
I don't believe it would work.

And it's not the form of government we have choses for ourselves.

We trumpet our form of gov't around the world - which I think is overblown.

I don't personally believe in "American Exceptionalism."

Do you?
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask you, is it ok for 1 person to hold a gun to another persons head to take away their property?
Depends on the context.

If the property holder has millions in unpaid debts....and the creditor is attempting to make himself whole again...then, yes - it is ok if done within the law.

Recall I mentioned personal responsibility (and accountability).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51801 May 6, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

I don't personally believe in "American Exceptionalism."
Every nation-state, if they have any pride, believes in this for themself. So it is nothing exceptional, IMO
JOEL

Thane, India

#51802 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>

You are child like, your mind is that of a 12 year old.
LOL.

This 12 year old has far more intelligence than you can ever have.

I'm surprised that you've failed to comprehend the significance of the mind-matter model that can explain everything there's to be explained in the universe.

Anyway, carry on with your silly with the dunces on this forum.

(smiles)
Eric

Roselle, IL

#51803 May 6, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
are you talking about an HOA telling the owner of a lot that they can't divide it?
I have never seen a case exactly on point, but I can see how it could happen. Speaking solely of Illinois, while the city can set minimum standards for subdivision improvements (lot size, building height, lot coverage, etc.), developers are permitted to set more stringent standards in the declaration of subdivision. Developers set higher standards to keep home values to a certain level. Before the advent of HOA, someone in the subdivision had to sue to enforce the declaration. Now with HOA, there is a policing body.

The Illinois Supreme Court just handed down an opinion that those who buy in a subdivision with a declaration, HOA, and HOA rules have agreed to abide by those pronouncements. It's a contractual relationship. Some attorney got pulled over for speeding by a rent-a-cop hired by the HOA. He litigated over the question of whether the HOA could establish a private police force. The IL Supreme Court said that since the attorney was a homeowner in the subdivision, he agreed by contract to abide by the HOA rules. http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/Supreme...
JOEL

Thane, India

#51804 May 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>

And THAT includes the Number of posts one posts on these threads too!!
LOL.

You've failed to understand the context and meaning of the line - "quality is inversely proportional to quantity".

Let's analyze the logic to show that you're wrong.

Here goes:

We clearly have 2 distinct sets of people in the world -

1) The intellectual elites who're as expected very few in number.

2) The masses who constitute the majority.

So, in this sense, when we talk of the masses who comprise the overwhelming majority of people, we invariably observe a dramatic drop in quality (whereas the intellectual elites who're in a minority constitute the high quality people in the world).

Now, let's push the analysis further.

The intellectual elites are always in a minority but usually it's seen that whatever they think, say or do is usually of a consistently high quality and so logically speaking we set up a direct proportion for this relationship - a top notch intellectual is highly productive and so the number of his high quality thoughts, words and deeds number a lot and as these are consistently of a high quality thus the output (number of high quality thoughts, words and deeds) of a top-end intellectual is high and since these are usually of a high quality thus there exists a direct relationship (proportion) between the two.

So, to reiterate the point, we see a direct proportionality between the large number of an intellectual's thoughts, words and deeds and the high quality of the same.

So, you're wrong in your reasoning as usual.

ROFL.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51805 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Every nation-state, if they have any pride, believes in this for themself. So it is nothing exceptional, IMO
Well, now you're going to have me arguing for the other side...

But if you look at the origin and real meaning of the term - not how many people use it - there is an argument to be made. But I resist it nonetheless.

There is too much to do yet.

Most of us know we like it here, ATF notwithstanding.

:))
Voluntarist

United States

#51806 May 6, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
This 12 year old has far more intelligence than you can ever have.
I'm surprised that you've failed to comprehend the significance of the mind-matter model that can explain everything there's to be explained in the universe.
Anyway, carry on with your silly with the dunces on this forum.
(smiles)
.

Your mind matter is spread all over your pillow after you spawned some knuckle children
Voluntarist

United States

#51807 May 6, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never seen a case exactly on point, but I can see how it could happen. Speaking solely of Illinois, while the city can set minimum standards for subdivision improvements (lot size, building height, lot coverage, etc.), developers are permitted to set more stringent standards in the declaration of subdivision. Developers set higher standards to keep home values to a certain level. Before the advent of HOA, someone in the subdivision had to sue to enforce the declaration. Now with HOA, there is a policing body.
The Illinois Supreme Court just handed down an opinion that those who buy in a subdivision with a declaration, HOA, and HOA rules have agreed to abide by those pronouncements. It's a contractual relationship. Some attorney got pulled over for speeding by a rent-a-cop hired by the HOA. He litigated over the question of whether the HOA could establish a private police force. The IL Supreme Court said that since the attorney was a homeowner in the subdivision, he agreed by contract to abide by the HOA rules. http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/Supreme...
Sounds voluntary.
Voluntarist

United States

#51808 May 6, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe it would work.
And it's not the form of government we have choses for ourselves.
We trumpet our form of gov't around the world - which I think is overblown.
I don't personally believe in "American Exceptionalism."
Do you?
<quoted text>
Depends on the context.
If the property holder has millions in unpaid debts....and the creditor is attempting to make himself whole again...then, yes - it is ok if done within the law.
Recall I mentioned personal responsibility (and accountability).
Ok so is it moral to you for someone to provide a service by force?

Is it moral to you for someone to take property by force in order to hand it to someone else absent a contractual breach?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51809 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok so is it moral to you for someone to provide a service by force?
Is it moral to you for someone to take property by force in order to hand it to someone else absent a contractual breach?
I don't agree with everything my gov't does.

I didn't believe in W using my tax dollars to invade the wrong country in 2002.

That was a taking of my property (my money) for a reason I didn't agree with. This was also enriching private contractors - Halliburton etc. Why should I line the pockets of Cheney's friends and colleagues?

But you asked me if it was moral. Moral - no. But ethical, strictly speaking - yes. It was within the law.

Laws under a form of gov't with which I agree. I have no better form of gov't to propose.

I don't believe in allowing the perfect becoming the enemy of the good.

Do believe in social contracts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

In political philosophy the social contract or political contractis a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51810 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
So agree you dont have the right to bear arms?
rabbee: yes and when in the forrest, you have the right to bear arms too. and your name, could be forever changed to clawed too.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51811 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, if it is for the greater good. There are no absolute rights, remember?
And who defines OK? Surely not "the bible" so it is a matter of interpretation/democracy.
rabbee: well people tend to forget, the representatives of this nation are not the government.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51812 May 6, 2013
JOEL GOES FAR BEYOND NIKOLA TESLA WITH THE ENTIRE IDEA OF THE VIBROMETER WORKED OUT JUST NOW:

How?

1) The VIBROMETER - a device that would have the capacity to revive dead tissue, set right disordered nerve currents, correct irregular cellular rhythms and resurrect the dead.

2) This idea came to me many years ago on account of a certain yogic experience caused by the descent of the higher force into my being. The effects were so pronounced that in that charged condition I observed that whatever I touched or simply glanced at became extra-animated and in the cases of drooping leaves or flowers they revived within seconds.

3) This yogic experience gave me the hint that if this higher force with its electromagnetic (em) manifestation could be directed towards any irregular vibration or towards any organic substance (and towards any inorganic substance) that had lost its functional capacity then a remedy or a revival in the abnormal condition could easily be executed.

4) How could this higher force with its em manifestation be generated in a device posed the biggest challenge to me.

5) One cannot have a yogi connected to an electrical device to keep constantly bringing down the higher force and causing it to enter the circuitry of the device and then in this fully operational condition the charged device would be applied to the tissues, cells, nerves and dead bodies to engineer a regeneration. This would be ridiculous.

So, what is the way out?

7) How can the specific higher force with its concomitant physical vibration be spontaneously generated in a device? I had a rough idea about the method to be employed since years but the details were not in place and I thought that if it's just a matter of discovering and applying the correct frequencies of the electromagnetic force to tissues, nerves, cells and corpses to revive them then, well, the crass materialistic scientists would have achieved grand success by now and would be boasting about it.

8) Then I realized that it was not just a case of discovering the right range of em frequencies but that something subtler which formed the basis of the electromagnetic force would have to be directly connected to the electromagnetic force in its activated form for the correct em frequencies to be generated.

9) Simply studying tissues, nerves, cells and dead bodies in an inferential manner would merely reproduce the outer effects - the range of em frequencies - but would this be complete since the higher force is always at the root of generating the correct frequencies which then manifest as a range of em impulses? So, by simply arriving at a set of em frequencies in lab experiments is insufficient as the entire gamut of frequencies needed would be missing without the activated higher force attached to the frontal em vibrations and so one would fail to achieve success or the success would be very partial and would ultimately not succeed.

10) I was at a loss till today and the solution evaded my mind.

11) Just a few minutes ago, while lying down in bed since the higher force is at present descending into me with pressure, I thought about the vibrometer and in a flash the entire method of engineering the device with the detailed method of generating the higher force and its em counterpart arose in my semi-tranced mind and I tell you it's perfect.

12) EUREKA!!!!

I've discovered how it can be done but am keeping it SECRET for now!
JOEL

Thane, India

#51814 May 6, 2013
Thou informest, I execute!
JOEL

Thane, India

#51815 May 6, 2013
I revived sufficiently to type the great news concerning the intuitive discovery with all the details of the method of engineering this most unique device called the vibrometer but I now need to rest since the higher force is coming down into me with great pressure. Mom, Dad and Tina, be happy for me. May your disembodied psychics rest in peace. Bye.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#51816 May 6, 2013
JOEL wrote:
8) Then I realized that it was not just a case of discovering the right range of em frequencies but that something subtler which formed the basis of the electromagnetic force would have to be directly connected to the electromagnetic force in its activated form for the correct em frequencies to be generated.
LOL

What a dunce.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51817 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/06/my_virginity_...
My virginity mistake
I took an abstinence pledge hoping it would ensure a strong marriage. Instead, it led to a quick divorce
Frijoles---My virginity mistake

HughBe--- Is in believing that INDULGING in rear sex would make you remain a virgin.
Loving it you have reciprocated and reciprocated the "favour" until you are a Chief among your kind.

Bye-bye, virginity.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51818 May 6, 2013
Hello Huggybear,

I stopped into a little Jamaican-run restaurant up here the other day.

The jerk chicken and pork were excellent.

Do you enjoy the spices and jerk preparation of meats?(The BBQ there looked very good too.)

I believe you already told me you don't drink the Blue Mountain coffee. Is this for religious reasons? I could understand you're avoiding the Red Stripe beverage which I also enjoyed while visiting your island paradise.

Are you staying clean of body and mind?

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