Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51694 May 4, 2013
GRADATIONS OF THE UNIFIED FIELD OF CONSCIOUSNESS-ENERGY:

In ascending order:

1) Gross Matter

2) Subtle Physical

3) Lower Vital (seat of El and other demonic Baals of the Babylonian cults and of Judaism)

4) Higher Vital

5) Mind

6) Higher Mind

7) Illumined Mind

8) Intuition Mind

9) Overmind -1

10) Overmind - 2

11) Overmind - 3

12) Overmind - 4

13) Supermind - 1

14) Supermind - 2

15) Supermind - 3

16) Supermind - 4

17) Pure Cosmic Existence

18) Pure Cosmic Consciousness

19) Pure Cosmic Bliss -(seat of the self)

20) Planes of the Supracosmic Manifestation

21) Supreme Causal Mechanism

22) Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy

PS: Each major stratum in the hierarchy has several sub-planes and since the mechanism and phenomena of each of the sub-planes are quite different from each other, thus, it would not be incorrect to classify each of the subplanes as a separate plane.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51695 May 4, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There is coming a time when the religious and governmental laws will be merged. The Messiah will be all 3 branches of government. Judge, lawgiver and King. "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem". Israel will become a state of the USA and Jerusalem will be the capitol of the world. The Messiah will "think to change times and laws". These include both mans' and Gods' laws.
rabbee: i will not change, any of G-D'S laws. no true His Messiah in their right mind, would even consider changing TheLaws ofG-D. it is your laws, that must come into compliance with G-D'S THE LAW.

and you might just have it backwards, about who becomes the state of Hoo. when it is more likly that the united states, becomes the united states of Ysrael. They shall become TheHis Nation, and the multitudes of the united states shall become TheHisChildren.

america is only second, to the alleged as jew for being hated. but second place with G-D, is still better than no place at all with G-D.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51696 May 4, 2013
EGO:

1) The ego is the peculiar turn given to the human equivalents of the mental, vital and physical consciousnesses that's determined by psycho-vital-physical instincts carried over from past incarnations, heredity in the present birth and karma.

2) There's a mental I, a vital I and a physical I and besides there exist egos of the mixed sort as for instance there's an I of the physico-vital kind. The physico-vital comprises a narrow selection of the vital that's infused in the physical grade of consciousness-energy. Then there's a mental-vital ego which is the mind force in the vital and so on.

3) The collective feeling of the various I elements is the individuality of a person.

4) The ego is unregenerate and can be straightened out or preferably dissolved by the supramental descent into the infra-supramental planes of being.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51697 May 4, 2013
taulant wrote:
Jews are baby killers.they kill innocent people,poor people.israel is a criminal state.
rabbee: well so are, americans. and so is, every nation on earth. even 133,000 children murdered by muslems in somalia. and the whole world, does nothing about it. nobody screaming rape, must all be guilty of rape. you think this makes, me or G-D happy with any of you? you don't have peace on this earth, because you have all never made any real peace with G-D Truly.

your just another hypocrite crook calling all the others, for not being the same kind of crook as you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51698 May 4, 2013
THE SUBCONSCIENT:

1) The subconscient is the sink in the being wherein is stored the impressions of all our thoughts, words and actions and imprints of heredity.

2) There's a mental subconscient, a vital subconscient and a physical subconscient.

3) Then there's a collective subconscient whose station in the being is the force field corresponding to the soles of the feet from where it radiates outwards.

4) The entire personality of the person lies in this field in the soles of the feet. It can be perceived through the subtle vision.

5) Never share footwear as by doing so the traits of another person to whom the footwear belongs to enters your force fields and if his/her instincts are perverse or inferior to your own then you'll get harmed.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51699 May 4, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually think He Was referring to Isreal being gone within a generation..the Temple et al.
Christians. At least the ones I know. Do not hate Jews..we believe in the same God of Abraham. He was the father of many nations including Gentiles as adopted thru a Jew..Christ.
Those who hated usually had ulterior motives. Since our Bible also teaches that He will bless those who bless His people..the Jews..and curse those who curse them.
Over the centuries it was expedient to blame the Jews when one wanted what they had..it was definitely not from Christ.
Messiah will come..we will all know His name when He does.
Just an opinion my own. But shared by many Christians..
rabbee: well i can tell you that it is, most definaly not the name jesus. and G-D is really, really, pissed about them calling Adam that too. and giving the delusion, we are not all here in TheStory From TheG-D of Only TheTorah is actually again.

the only good news is, my third visit with G-D. went a lot better, than the first two. nor did i think, the first visit went all that badly, untill i heard G-D coming in not a good mood, for the second visit.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51700 May 4, 2013
The 7th plane and beyond are not within the body along the force centers in the spine leading to the pineal gland in the brain. The superior force fields - 7th and beyond - lie above the head. One can station one's awakened psychic in any of the planes that lie above the head and act with total command from outside the body.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51701 May 4, 2013
UPCOMING:

The Metempsychosis and its causal mechanism.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51702 May 4, 2013
Good night. The descent of the higher force is quite strong today. Later.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51703 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I obey some laws because I genuinely care for the welfare of the opposing party, not because of the fear of retribution.
My G-d concept doesnt have a lot of room for brimstone or fire.
In terms of punishment, our selves are way more fierce than any outside persona anyway.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is a good Christian rule of thumb. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" and my fear of God is a fear of being punished if I am not perfect. It's what separates righteousness from holiness. I have learned thru the years if I do anything I shouldn't, God will get me good. I am literally afraid to sin in any way.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51704 May 4, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually think He Was referring to Isreal being gone within a generation..the Temple et al.
Christians. At least the ones I know. Do not hate Jews..we believe in the same God of Abraham. He was the father of many nations including Gentiles as adopted thru a Jew..Christ.
Those who hated usually had ulterior motives. Since our Bible also teaches that He will bless those who bless His people..the Jews..and curse those who curse them.
Over the centuries it was expedient to blame the Jews when one wanted what they had..it was definitely not from Christ.
Messiah will come..we will all know His name when He does.
Just an opinion my own. But shared by many Christians..
Jesus also included his second coming on the Mount of Olives within that generation. I take issue with your statement that your God is the same as the God of the Jews. There is one striking difference that separates them. The God of Israel is alive and your god is dead, earth is called "the land of the living" and the whole purpose of the resurrection is to transcend death. The second coming on the Mount of Olives would occur within a matter of days after the Messiahs execution, it is the third Day of the Lord and will be her glory. "My glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images", Christianity is idolatry. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
Voluntarist

United States

#51705 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Straw argument - we werent talking about laws of physics. We were talking about civil laws and the state
Ask Will Smith is it is illegal to not pay your taxes
We are on rewind. This point has been debated before.
Will Smith has nothing to do with facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51706 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Just shows that you never received any type of formal education in political theory.(How could you - you are a whackadoo??)
Hobbes is considered a philosopher of the Conservatives...
I dont care who he was, point in fact that he does not cite any facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51707 May 4, 2013
former res wrote:
It’s good to be Alex Jones. Matt Drudge, the conservative Web entrepreneur and news aggregator, proved prophetic when he predicted that 2013 would be “the year of Alex Jones.” The longtime conspiracy broadcaster is finally breaking into the mainstream consciousness after a buzzy interview with Piers Morgan and his Boston bombing conspiracy, and traffic to his websites has never been higher. The conspiracy business is booming.
And make no mistake, it is a business. That’s not to say that Jones isn’t a believer — there are easier ways to make money — but Jones has built a multi-platform new media empire in his Austin, Texas, Free Speech Systems LLC that reaches millions of believers and promises advertisers that it will “direct lucrative buyers to you from our daily audience of active enthusiasts.” And all told, Jones is very likely raking in millions.
Jones didn’t invent the business model, but he may have perfected it. He comes from a long line of what historian Robert Goldberg calls “conspiracy entrepreneurs” that stretches back through at least the early Red Scare, and up through the John Birch Society, the JFK assassination and the Roswell incident to the Jones school of the New World Order. But while others merely got by on the sale of their books and tapes and lectures to a niche audience, Jones has industrialized conspiracy for a mass audience.
Jones’ company broadcasts around the clock from his state-of-the art, 7,600-square-foot radio and TV studio that employs 15 people and cleared $1.5 million in revenue in 2009, according to a Texas Monthly profile. But a lot has changed since then. In 2011, he launched the Infowars Nightly News TV program to anchor his new subscriber TV network, which has expanded its lineup as traffic to his websites and general visibility has exploded, meaning his revenue is probably much bigger than it was just four years ago....
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_co...
__________
Reminds me of a few quotes:
There's a sucker born every minute.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
“Opinions are like asxholes; everyone's got one.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
“Never give a sucker an even break.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
As his popularity increases "main stream" media decreases.
Voluntarist

United States

#51708 May 4, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you believed in freedom.
You don't believe citizens should have the freedom to form organizations: businesses, town watch programs, clubs, sports teams, condo associations, corporations, local/state/national organizations for governing themselves (governments)???
As long as it is consensual.
Voluntarist

United States

#51709 May 4, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>They are dangerous because they both believe you have to be a member of their religion to live. Christians are full of hate toward anybody who does not share their beliefs and I think it's because they are so insecure. Jesus said the end would come within a generation of the people he spoke to and it obviously didn't. They've been waiting 2000 years, I'm wondering how much longer they'll wait for their god. The rapture and tribulation are Christian myths.
Just like governments believe that they have to be a member of their government to live.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#51710 May 4, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus also included his second coming on the Mount of Olives within that generation. I take issue with your statement that your God is the same as the God of the Jews. There is one striking difference that separates them. The God of Israel is alive and your god is dead, earth is called "the land of the living" and the whole purpose of the resurrection is to transcend death. The second coming on the Mount of Olives would occur within a matter of days after the Messiahs execution, it is the third Day of the Lord and will be her glory. "My glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images", Christianity is idolatry. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
SIGH no place to go on that one but He conquered spiritual death as well as HE rose from ggd dead Messiah will not die again as HE already did so ..But I though ghat Jewish people believed in a male Messiah who will come only in glory.. once. But hey maybe si am wrong on that or ..well anyway peace.. I fl believe in Creator God who spoke to Abraham and Moses and Noah
taulant

United States

#51711 May 4, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well so are, americans. and so is, every nation on earth. even 133,000 children murdered by muslems in somalia. and the whole world, does nothing about it. nobody screaming rape, must all be guilty of rape. you think this makes, me or G-D happy with any of you? you don't have peace on this earth, because you have all never made any real peace with G-D Truly.
your just another hypocrite crook calling all the others, for not being the same kind of crook as you.
Based on what you said,Germans made the right thing by killing pigs like you.you deserved it.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51712 May 4, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
SIGH no place to go on that one but He conquered spiritual death as well as HE rose from ggd dead Messiah will not die again as HE already did so ..But I though ghat Jewish people believed in a male Messiah who will come only in glory.. once. But hey maybe si am wrong on that or ..well anyway peace.. I fl believe in Creator God who spoke to Abraham and Moses and Noah
99+% of the "suffering servant prophecies have been fulfilled and it's time for the conquering King. The same person in the flesh will fulfill all of them. "In thy book all my members were written" "Then said I, lo I come, in the volume of the book it is written of me"

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#51713 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as it is consensual.
can you give us an example of (voluntarist) consensual government?

Lacking an example, my belief is that your ideas are impractical over 20,000 years of human existence.

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