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former res

Cheshire, CT

#51664 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So you do believe in some religion, you are using the word evil and you seem to think that another religious documenf called the constitution applies to you too, maybe if some priests put you in prison you would start believing in religion.
I see your point but it's a stretch.

I believe Charles Manson is evil.

But I don't this means I believe in god.
IIan

Mississauga, Canada

#51665 May 3, 2013
Both Christianity and Islam are Dangerous religions good were keeping close eye on them in Islam
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51666 May 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr Hobbes to the rescue!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbes#Leviatha...
In Leviathan, Hobbes set out his doctrine of the foundation of states and legitimate governments – originating social contract theory.......According to Hobbes, the sovereign must control civil, military, judicial, and ecclesiastical powers.
Yes, we need some order. And don't forget this classic:

Lord of the Flies is a novel by Nobel Prize-winning English author William Golding about a group of British boys stuck on an uninhabited island who try to govern themselves with disastrous results. Its stances on the already controversial subjects of human nature and individual welfare versus the common good earned it position 68 on the American Library Association’s list of the 100 most frequently challenged books of 1990–1999.[2]
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51667 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Please provide a factual basis, evidence that the so called law of travelling fast is applicable to me.
People break laws all day long without anything happening to them.
If you think that some guy with a clown suit on makes it applicable then you are illogical.
It will be funny when the clown comes and locks you up in his circus tent.

I would buy tickets to that greatest show on earth.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51668 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Please provide a factual basis, evidence that the so called law of travelling fast is applicable to me.
People break laws all day long without anything happening to them.
If you think that some guy with a clown suit on makes it applicable then you are illogical.
Straw argument - we werent talking about laws of physics. We were talking about civil laws and the state

Ask Will Smith is it is illegal to not pay your taxes

We are on rewind. This point has been debated before.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51669 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So an opinion of a dead guy makes your gubment legitimate? Grasping at straws here.
here is an exerp from social contract theory;
legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual .[1]
Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have
consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their
freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate
(or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of
their remaining rights . The question of the relation between
natural and legal rights , therefore, is often an aspect of social
contract theory.
First the elements of a contract are not present, and even if it was a legitimate contract it is breached by the fact that there is no duty of the government to protect anyone.
Just shows that you never received any type of formal education in political theory.(How could you - you are a whackadoo??)

Hobbes is considered a philosopher of the Conservatives...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51670 May 4, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I see your point but it's a stretch.
I believe Charles Manson is evil.
But I don't this means I believe in god.
Morality is not only defined in religious texts. Its defined in other sources as well, such as popular culture. ATF of all people should know that.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#51672 May 4, 2013
Posting on Shabbat, Frijoles? Bad person.

I will tell to your rabbi.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51674 May 4, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Posting on Shabbat, Frijoles? Bad person.
I will tell to your rabbi.
AS usual, you miss the boat. I am in a different time zone this weekend.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51676 May 4, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Posting on Shabbat, Frijoles? Bad person.
I will tell to your rabbi.
rabbee: well for one thing, it is the evening dawn of sunday in Yeroosalem. and so Shabbos is over, before you know it. Shabbos is not to be celebrated, by our worldly loco time standards.

and for another thing, what are we commanded to talk about on Shabbos? can anyone truly answer this question, according to TheTorah? since the chances are, you all do not know.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51677 May 4, 2013
It’s good to be Alex Jones. Matt Drudge, the conservative Web entrepreneur and news aggregator, proved prophetic when he predicted that 2013 would be “the year of Alex Jones.” The longtime conspiracy broadcaster is finally breaking into the mainstream consciousness after a buzzy interview with Piers Morgan and his Boston bombing conspiracy, and traffic to his websites has never been higher. The conspiracy business is booming.

And make no mistake, it is a business. That’s not to say that Jones isn’t a believer — there are easier ways to make money — but Jones has built a multi-platform new media empire in his Austin, Texas, Free Speech Systems LLC that reaches millions of believers and promises advertisers that it will “direct lucrative buyers to you from our daily audience of active enthusiasts.” And all told, Jones is very likely raking in millions.

Jones didn’t invent the business model, but he may have perfected it. He comes from a long line of what historian Robert Goldberg calls “conspiracy entrepreneurs” that stretches back through at least the early Red Scare, and up through the John Birch Society, the JFK assassination and the Roswell incident to the Jones school of the New World Order. But while others merely got by on the sale of their books and tapes and lectures to a niche audience, Jones has industrialized conspiracy for a mass audience.

Jones’ company broadcasts around the clock from his state-of-the art, 7,600-square-foot radio and TV studio that employs 15 people and cleared $1.5 million in revenue in 2009, according to a Texas Monthly profile. But a lot has changed since then. In 2011, he launched the Infowars Nightly News TV program to anchor his new subscriber TV network, which has expanded its lineup as traffic to his websites and general visibility has exploded, meaning his revenue is probably much bigger than it was just four years ago....

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_co...

__________

Reminds me of a few quotes:

There's a sucker born every minute.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum

“Opinions are like asxholes; everyone's got one.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum

“Never give a sucker an even break.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum

Since: May 12

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#51678 May 4, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
and for another thing, what are we commanded to talk about on Shabbos? can anyone truly answer this question, according to TheTorah? since the chances are, you all do not know.
About the Torah?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51679 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha!
legitimate government!
rabbee: no government of the devil critters, by the devil critters, or for the devils critters. shall be even remotely, be construed as legimate by G-D. no matter how legal, hasatan, baal hamolech, or halooseefer consider them.

so what happened to: we the people of ONE G-D, by the people of ONE G-D, for the people of ONE G-D?

you know this whole world has never, made peace with G-D. or we would have, peace on earth today. lying does not make, peace with G-D.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51680 May 4, 2013
just claiming to be with ONE G-D, when it is not actually true is blastphemy against Ruach HaKodesh. for if any of you, had actually made peace with G-D. we would have, it here on earth.

the world has been, at constant war. because you all are rebelling against G-D here in TheStory again.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51681 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha!
legitimate government!
I thought you believed in freedom.

You don't believe citizens should have the freedom to form organizations: businesses, town watch programs, clubs, sports teams, condo associations, corporations, local/state/national organizations for governing themselves (governments)???
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51682 May 4, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
About the Torah?
rabbee: we are supposed to be, talking about G-D. and TheTorah is our Measuring Stick. to determine if what we say, is really true to G-D.

just talking about TheTorah, is just the religion of going through the motions. and their is obviously more to being true to G-D, than just taling about your religious self admiration societies.

for no amount of religious traditions, or rituals have made the alleged as jews true to HaShem G-D. because they are too busy talking about the traditions, and rituals rather than G-D. and no amount of good acting, does not make any one Holy - as G-D is HOLY.

the alleged as jews, have been too busy hiding in their caves. to be a light unto the world, as commanded by G-D.

don't think i have not noticed, that what almost everyone says about G-D just is not true. and cannot be verified in TheTorah, as true to G-D. i have yet to see, one religion that truly Glorifies G-D with us all here in TheTorah again.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51683 May 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
That might have been the condition for a very short time, when Moses was alive and may be some decades after him.
But slowly bulk of Jews fell into idolatry as OT books confirm and the punishment was left only in the books and not in practice.
That holds for most of Jewish and Christian laws, they exist on paper but not used. People read them and say Amen and kill the holy scriptures.
But when the come out of Church and Synagogues (and mosques too, to be honest)... they just forget what they read said Amen to.
Most "religious people" on this earth come under the definition of "Hypocrites".
Those who ask for those laws are termed as Fundamentalists and Extremists.
On the other hand those who do not follow laws passed by their assemblies and parliaments are called as "rebels" .
So it is a complete transformation, our Political Leaders have become our Law givers , they have become like a god to the people.
There is coming a time when the religious and governmental laws will be merged. The Messiah will be all 3 branches of government. Judge, lawgiver and King. "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem". Israel will become a state of the USA and Jerusalem will be the capitol of the world. The Messiah will "think to change times and laws". These include both mans' and Gods' laws.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51684 May 4, 2013
IIan wrote:
Both Christianity and Islam are Dangerous religions good were keeping close eye on them in Islam
They are dangerous because they both believe you have to be a member of their religion to live. Christians are full of hate toward anybody who does not share their beliefs and I think it's because they are so insecure. Jesus said the end would come within a generation of the people he spoke to and it obviously didn't. They've been waiting 2000 years, I'm wondering how much longer they'll wait for their god. The rapture and tribulation are Christian myths.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51685 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Morality is not only defined in religious texts. Its defined in other sources as well, such as popular culture. ATF of all people should know that.
All of morality ultimately has its source in the Testimony (10 commandments) and the belief in God. We keep laws in part because we are afraid of being punished. If you're speeding while driving, don't you slow down if you see a cop? People need to realize there is nothing we can do in secret that is not known to God. God also knows all our thoughts and that is covered under the coveting rule. We are to be a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation"

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51686 May 4, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All of morality ultimately has its source in the Testimony (10 commandments) and the belief in God. We keep laws in part because we are afraid of being punished. If you're speeding while driving, don't you slow down if you see a cop? People need to realize there is nothing we can do in secret that is not known to God. God also knows all our thoughts and that is covered under the coveting rule. We are to be a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation"
I obey some laws because I genuinely care for the welfare of the opposing party, not because of the fear of retribution.

My G-d concept doesnt have a lot of room for brimstone or fire.

In terms of punishment, our selves are way more fierce than any outside persona anyway.

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