Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51454 May 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Sex-fixated narcissist.
Hugh---I would rather admire and stare at MY bamboo...

Joel---Sex-fixated narcissist.

Hugh--- BS, your response is a reflection of your sex starved life and your sex focused mind.

These are the things that should have entered your mind had it been pure.

1. Anatomy fixated

2. Beauty fixated. Recall my word ADMIRE?

3. Magnificent fixated

4. Power fixated

5. Design fixated

6. Awe fixated

7. Length and breadth fixated.

Get it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51455 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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I bet Huggy and I are tied for the #4 spot.
TOP 3 DUNCES ON THIS THREAD:
1) MUQ
2) Frijoles
3) Eric

Former---I bet Huggy and I are tied for the #4 spot

HughBe--- no dear, you occupy it all by yourself. I am on the opposite list as number 1.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51456 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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No but you're happy to waste my time arguing the point! A point you admit is "thoughtless."
:))
From last Friday:
"But my point was to show there are two populations you are mixing. The thoughtless and the thoughtful. Really, your grievance is with the thoughtless, the ones who rely on faith but claim it is evidence based. Not the thoughtful, who rely on faith, but have no such claim."
__________
It never fails to floor me how believers seem to forever be putting one another down.
They all believe in something unknown and likely unknowable but each feels superior to every other faction.(Not all feel that way but many do.)
"Thoughtless" "Fundies" "Anti-science" etc.
But you believe in something admittedly without a shred of evidence (or any pretense of) and therefore you label yourself one of the "thoughtful" believers.
Is this a self-serving analysis? Who can say? Certainly not me.
"I know nothing" Socrates
MY thoughtful process has allowed me to arrive to a place where I can declare my basis for religious belief is faith, not reason.

Others claim their basis for religious belief is reason (MUQ is a perfect example of that, and sometimes Huggy).

You and I, using modern standards reject that type of logical thinking as it is not really logical (according to our modern standards). Therefore their position is thoughtless (I am equating illogic to thoughtless - because if they ever thought their position through they would realize their basis is faith not reason).

Thats all I meant to say or imply.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51457 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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Then call me independent!
Voluntarist ---Guns could be a symbol of independence.

Former---Then call me independent!

HughBe--- I would have thought that VD or guns is a symptom of a serious medical condition.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51458 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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What differentiates you from one who shares atheist beliefs, regardless of labels? Forget about groups, militancy etc. I'm focusing on the belief or lack thereof.
(I had missed this reply from you but just saw when looking for something else.)
I dont like boxes. But I think often my thinking could be construed as atheistic - I am not a fan of theism.

My position is usually more allied with panentheism.

Sometimes I do employ theistic thinking though, usually as a short cut for discussion, thinking, or even worship purposes. To worship, or to speak of, you do need an "other" to direct your attention to, or talk about - its imbued in the structure and use of our language, and in particular our use of grammar.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51459 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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More likely the other way around.
The come FROM a sense of public mistrust.
And I don't see many NON-conspiracy types being swayed or distracted by these folks.
It's more like background static.
Its not always background static though.

WHO MOVED the Republicans to the position of being anti-science? Is it all money (energy lobby/Dick Cheney)..... or was there also an anti-gobbernunt anti-organized science anti-mind control movement as well?
JOEL

Thane, India

#51460 May 1, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh---I would rather admire and stare at MY bamboo...

Joel---Sex-fixated narcissist.

Hugh--- BS, your response is a reflection of your sex starved life and your sex focused mind.

These are the things that should have entered your mind had it been pure.

1. Anatomy fixated

2. Beauty fixated. Recall my word ADMIRE?

3. Magnificent fixated

4. Power fixated

5. Design fixated

6. Awe fixated

7. Length and breadth fixated.

Get it?
You're a pervert who understands none of the higher aims of life..
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51461 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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MY thoughtful process has allowed me to arrive to a place where I can declare my basis for religious belief is faith, not reason.
Others claim their basis for religious belief is reason (MUQ is a perfect example of that, and sometimes Huggy).
You and I, using modern standards reject that type of logical thinking as it is not really logical (according to our modern standards). Therefore their position is thoughtless (I am equating illogic to thoughtless - because if they ever thought their position through they would realize their basis is faith not reason).
Thats all I meant to say or imply.
Ok, but what about the part where it isn't applicable (or reasonable) to judge these thoughtless folks (and their thought process) by modern standards?

Doesn't their internal logic/personal experiences make it ok for them to think and believe in the way they do?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51462 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Its not always background static though.
WHO MOVED the Republicans to the position of being anti-science? Is it all money (energy lobby/Dick Cheney)..... or was there also an anti-gobbernunt anti-organized science anti-mind control movement as well?
Well...let's put it this way.

I think that most conspiracy folks would fit into the groups above to which you refer, but I don't that most folks above are conspiracy types.

Like....if one were a racist he likely voted with the GOP in the last two elections. But I wouldn't necessarily say most GOP voters are racist.

If that makes sense.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51463 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont like boxes. But I think often my thinking could be construed as atheistic - I am not a fan of theism.
My position is usually more allied with panentheism.
Sometimes I do employ theistic thinking though, usually as a short cut for discussion, thinking, or even worship purposes. To worship, or to speak of, you do need an "other" to direct your attention to, or talk about - its imbued in the structure and use of our language, and in particular our use of grammar.
Wow - I totally spaced out and thought I was replying to ATF.

And yet you still gave a good response, as always. I take it your original post (the one I replied to) was facetious.

Not a fan of theism? Interesting. But at the same time one of the faithful. Hmmmmmmm

I'm glad I made that error. More food for thought.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51464 May 1, 2013
Frijoles' beliefs are sinister and his mind a mess and his attitude fanatical. LOL.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51465 May 1, 2013
Mover over YHVH, the demon. Give me the sublime Buddha, any day.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51466 May 1, 2013
Buddha falls far short of the highest spiritual standard but his nature, teachings and deeds are on the right path unlike the evil nature, evil teachings and evil deeds of the Hebrew G-d. Poof.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51467 May 1, 2013
The faster religion is wiped out from the world or the faster the religious freaks become a minority in the world the better. Religion and religious nuts are a nuisance and an impediment to the further evolution of consciousness. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51468 May 1, 2013
Religion is based on emotions, while rationalism is based on the intellect. Since, the intellect exceeds the emotional aspect of the human consciousness being superior in information and scope, thus rationalism is superior to religion and the wonderful results of rationalism in the form of science and technology and logic which are its manifestations are there for all to see and compare with the myths, superstitions, falsehood, bigotry and parochialism of religion.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51469 May 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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You're a pervert who understands none of the higher aims of life..
Joel---You're a pervert who understands none of the higher aims of life.

HughBe---What is important is that I have experienced and continue to experience the higher aims of life even if I don't fully understand them.

At best you understand some of the higher aims of life BUT you have NEVER experienced them.

Start with this higher aim. Get a beautiful woman to sit on you and come back and tell me about the wonderful experience.

If help is needed try the blue tablet or its equivalent.

Deep love, Hugh.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51471 May 1, 2013
Hugh,

You're a big time perv.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51472 May 1, 2013
So, Hugh suffers from erectile dysfunction which is why he referred to the blue tab (Viagra). Perhaps, the mon also suffers from premature ejaculation. LOL.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51473 May 1, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Get a beautiful woman to sit on you.
Why don't you give this sound piece of advice to Frijoles or to Former Res?

Why only me?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51474 May 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Hugh,
You're a big time perv.
Thanks. dear.

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