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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51339 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---One cannot in my mind say that he is held to standards of a by-gone era if it's a belief system he subscribes to in the here and now.
Frijoles--I disagree. Religion is a subculture and as so has its own rules and standards, and internal logic which is based upon that.
HughBe--- I agree with Former about the here and now and bygone.
What is RELIGION a subculture of, Frijoles?
Frijoles---Even in the modern era there are more than one systems of standards. Scientific definition of evidence is very different from the legal definition.
HughBe--- Is MURDER a standard of bygone days?
Frijoles---Just like legal evidentiary standards and definitions of what is evidence are different from scientific standards and definitions of evidence, some organized religions can define on their own what is considered evidence and what is not, and what the standards for evaluating are.
HughBe--- Define religious EVIDENCE, Frijoles.
Frijoles---The problem is when they apply their standards to your world, and vice versa. That is what you are getting at. You dont buy their definition, and they shouldnt assume that you should. But among themselves, they have an internal logic.
HughBe--- Share their INTERNAL logic.
nope

If you want to join our big boy conversation, suggest a view

pointless psuedo-socratic questions will be ignored

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51340 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Religion is based on faith as it can be based on nothing else. Feelings etc mean faith. "I know god is in my life because I FEEL it is so." You may call this evidence but it is in fact faith. "Internal logic" etc is simply code for faith. It can be nothing else.
Saying otherwise (even repeatedly) does not make it so.
<quoted text>
Sorry, as usual I didnt make the rules

"Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51341 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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This sounds so harsh and I am so lovable in real life.
Never said that you werent. Chuckle.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51342 Apr 30, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
Climate scientists come to terms with the lack of
global warming
Michael Bastasch
Daily Caller
April 28, 2013
Despite the heated rhetoric from the Obama administration and
environmental groups about the urgency of global warming,
climate scientists have begun to come to terms with the lack of
evidence of catastrophic global warming over the last decade.
“While some climate scientists continue to resist the obvious that
the climate system is more complex than they assumed, others are
starting to accept that the multi-decadal climate projections
provide very incomplete simulations has to how the real climate
system works,” Roger Pielke, Jr., environmental studies professor
at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the
University of Colorado at Boulder, told The Daily Caller News
Foundation.
Establishment media outlets have been reporting about the
unexpected stabilizing global surface temperatures over at least
the last decade, and even former NASA scientist and
environmental activist James Hansen has recognized the decade-
long lull.
This has frustrated some environmentalists who recently sent a
letter to major news networks urging them to have more coverage
on global warming, and to stop portraying the issue as a “two-
sided debate” by featuring global warming skeptics.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/26/climate-sci...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

The Daily Caller is a news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States, with a focus on original reporting, in-depth investigations, commentary and breaking news.

Founded by libertarian conservative political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010.

....Although the site states it is neutral in regard to ideology,[citation needed] some observers have commented that it is influenced by the libertarian views of its founders.

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Dick Cheney? lol
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51343 Apr 30, 2013
FORMER RES is "lovable" since he's got the intelligence of a 3 year old and also because he laughs a lot at the silliest of things. He can't be taken seriously and his opinions count for nothing. Anyway, he's nice to have around when one needs to laugh at someone silly. His online friends are like him - birds of a feather flock together! ROFL.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51344 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---Hello Huggybear.
Of course I missed you.
You are like a clean, fresh breath of
Blue Mountain air, mon!:))
HughBe--- Greetings my friend. I am aware that I am like a breath of fresh air like the pure air of the Blue Mountains.
I missed you too. I am sentimental.
Speaking of the Blue Mountains, we brought some Blue
Mountain coffee home with us when we visited your
island nation several years ago.

The coffee was very tasty, dark and strong - much the way I
imagine you to be.

:))
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51345 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Sorry, as usual I didnt make the rules
"Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence
Even though polls say close to 90% of Americans support background checks for gun purchases, I FEEL deep inside me that most Americans really don't support background checks. This is true because it is how I feel.

The evidence to support this notion are my feelings and that is also my internal logic.

Sorry. I don't make the rules.

And don't call this truthiness. And don't hold me to your standards of evidence either.

Ok?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51346 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
FORMER RES is "lovable" since he's got the intelligence of a 3 year old and also because he laughs a lot at the silliest of things. He can't be taken seriously and his opinions count for nothing. Anyway, he's nice to have around when one needs to laugh at someone silly. His online friends are like him - birds of a feather flock together! ROFL.
How are the gang rapes going over there?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51347 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller
The Daily Caller is a news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States, with a focus on original reporting, in-depth investigations, commentary and breaking news.
Founded by libertarian conservative political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010.
....Although the site states it is neutral in regard to ideology,[citation needed] some observers have commented that it is influenced by the libertarian views of its founders.
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Dick Cheney? lol
I always say, scratch the surface of a libertarian, and you find a conservative republican who doesn't want to pay his taxes.

Event though this is a religious forum, ATF won't say whether or not he is an atheist.

Of course that's his right, but I find it a little curious.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51348 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Even though polls say close to 90% of Americans support background checks for gun purchases, I FEEL deep inside me that most Americans really don't support background checks. This is true because it is how I feel.
The evidence to support this notion are my feelings and that is also my internal logic.
Sorry. I don't make the rules.
And don't call this truthiness. And don't hold me to your standards of evidence either.
Ok?
Your evidence is weak.

See?

Thats all one has to say.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51349 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I always say, scratch the surface of a libertarian, and you find a conservative republican who doesn't want to pay his taxes.
Event though this is a religious forum, ATF won't say whether or not he is an atheist.
Of course that's his right, but I find it a little curious.
\
He did say short while past that he found the atheists militaristic in their zeal (my choice of words)

Scratch the surface of the climate change denial movement and you will find Darth Vador (aka Dick Cheney), tool for the nonrenewable energy industry.(But no conspiracy here....)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51350 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
FORMER RES is "lovable" since he's got the intelligence of a 3 year old and also because he laughs a lot at the silliest of things. He can't be taken seriously and his opinions count for nothing. Anyway, he's nice to have around when one needs to laugh at someone silly. His online friends are like him - birds of a feather flock together! ROFL.
Why are you so jolly this morning(night)?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51351 Apr 30, 2013
Your honor, I submit this for the record....
Voluntarist wrote:
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You dont have to believe in religion but dont be so ignorant as to believe that you know everything.
I dont have an opinion on the matter but i find athiests aggressive anti-religion sermons to be as boring and annoying as religious zealots rhetoric.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51352 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He did say short while past that he found the atheists militaristic in their zeal (my choice of words)
I hate that. Bill Maher was really annoying the pisx out of me the other night with all that. He was blaming every problem in the world on religion (when we all know it's only responsible for 90% of the world's problems!:)). And he wouldn't let the other guy talk. Any group or movement (regardless of the cause) can get out of hand.

Chances are if ATF believes in conspiracy theories, he believes in god too.

:)
Frijoles wrote:
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Scratch the surface of the climate change denial movement and you will find Darth Vador (aka Dick Cheney), tool for the nonrenewable energy industry.(But no conspiracy here....)
It's all about the threat to their wallets.

How else can you explain the differences in the stance on climate change from that side of the isle?

I just can't accept (as much as I want to) that conservatives are inherently dumber than liberals.

More like willful ignorance. Based on economics - which is in itself wrong and short-sighted.

Note how China is kicking our axs on the green economy.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51353 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Your evidence is weak.
See?
Thats all one has to say.
That seems way too easy.

Do you feel you evidence is weak?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51354 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Your honor, I submit this for the record....
Thank you, sir.
Voluntarist wrote:

You dont have to believe in religion but dont be so ignorant as to believe that you know everything.
I dont have an opinion on the matter but i find athiests aggressive anti-religion sermons to be as boring and annoying as religious zealots rhetoric
My whole point in being a non-believer is to admit the unknown and the unknowable.

So I also wouldn't agree with "believing that I know everything." Quite the opposite.

But I would also disagree with you, ATF.

It seems you do have an opinion. You either believe there's a god or you don't.

This is why for years I wouldn't call myself my an atheist, instead preferring the less committal term agnostic.

Eventually it was pointed out to me that I either believed or I didn't.
JOEL

India

#51355 Apr 30, 2013
FORMER RES:

Were you in ecstasy the last tijme dear Hugh sodomized you with his 14" bamboo?

I guess you need a new boy/man every couple of days to fu-ck you, right?

LOL.
JOEL

India

#51356 Apr 30, 2013
Beliefs count for nothing. Experiences/realizations mean everythiing. The subjective and objective aspects should be explored experienced and manifrested in being.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51357 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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That seems way too easy.
Do you feel you evidence is weak?
Why do you make this complicated? Religious zealot tells you he knows God exists because he feels it.

Evidence - feeling
Assertion - God exists

You evaluate it according to your standards
weak evidence due to subjectivity therefore low credibility
conclusion - evidence doesnt support assertion
dismissed

From the point of view of the claimant
feelings = credible evidence, subjectivity ok
conclusion - evidence supports assertion

Different standards - in the modern world your evaluation is the generally accepted standard

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51358 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Thank you, sir.
<quoted text>
My whole point in being a non-believer is to admit the unknown and the unknowable.
So I also wouldn't agree with "believing that I know everything." Quite the opposite.
But I would also disagree with you, ATF.
It seems you do have an opinion. You either believe there's a god or you don't.
This is why for years I wouldn't call myself my an atheist, instead preferring the less committal term agnostic.
Eventually it was pointed out to me that I either believed or I didn't.
I understand what you are getting at, and I agree that ATF (whether he is aware of this or not) has an opinion, he just doesnt feel like sharing it for dissection.

However, the question "Does God exist" is too simplistic to me. Too many assumptions regarding the definition of God (i.e. I dont believe God is a noun, I see the concept more like a verb). Furthermore, before one asks "Does God Exist" I think one has to first look at the question "DO I exist?".

And consider the boundary of that definition as well.

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