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#51123
Apr 26, 2013
 
JOEL wrote:
Those who outright dismiss every conspiracy as a product of imagination without proper thought or investigation and who accept as truth the official version of events are braindead and superficial individuals.
How many years did you waste in a vain attempt to follow your Master?
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#51124
Apr 26, 2013
 
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You are correct - I jumped ahead too quickly. However, in defense, you are also generalizing a bit, I think you are targeting religious extremists not religious in general. Its that acknowledgement of faith vs being oblivious thing again. Literally, being of faith means that you consciously accept the scriptures as testament and proceed from there....that is not being immune to evidence, that is accepting declaration the starting point of evidence..
In Huggys case, it would most decidedly not be a two step. Definitely a walk of shame.
The very definition of faith involves belief without proof/evidence:

faith

/f&#257;TH/

Noun

1.Com plete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


To go back to our friend's example:

Is there anymore evidence for any religious foundation than there is for the Easter bunny?

The fact that this is done "consciously" and in an "accepting" way as you say, I have no doubt of. But I also don't think this argues against my point.
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Apr 26, 2013
 

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SUB-INTELLECTUALS ON THIS THREAD:
1) MUQ
2) Frijoles
3) Eric
4) Hugh.
5) Liam R
6) COR
Stupid people who have been taken advantage of by others

1) Joel

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Apr 26, 2013
 
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#51127
Apr 26, 2013
 
But Jews DO proselytize, in other ways. By telling Christians tat they have to "love" and "support" Israel and the Jews, that is literally proselytization - b/c it is done to further a Jewish agenda. When Jews put eruvs around an entire town, forcing Christians to live within what is now symbolically a Jewish "home", that's proselytizing. When Jews force companies to ensure that their food is kosher (under threat of mass boycott), the company has to then 1) change to kosher practices and 2) hire rabbis to stand around all overseeing the practices. This costs money and is a burden. It also means that Christians are forced to eat kosher food; I've heard Jews and others complain about having to eat halal food without permission; therefore, if Jews feel halal is objectionable, kosher, which is nearly identical, must also be objectionable. Lastly, Christians are forced to pay higher taxes to support Israel, so that Israel (a socialist nation, by the way) can let orthodox males collect welfare. This way, they can read Torah and Talmud all day every day rather than work. That is religious coercion; Christians are literally being forced to fund Jewish religious studies!
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#51128
Apr 26, 2013
 
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"......The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you’re starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that’s when you’ve crossed the line...."
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_be...
Actually most of us that looked at 9/11 looked at it from the biased view of the " official story" . 9/11 turned many people into non-believers of government rhetoric, myself included.
Prior to 9/11 i accepted the official theater news story because i was under the silly impression that the media always had to tell the truth.

This self-sealing reasoning speaks of exactly what those that believe in governmemt explanations express, when faced with facts they can not accept the fact that governments lie, especially to get into wars.
Its a reification process, and lots of people including you can not fathom that men and women calling themselves government lie.
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#51129
Apr 26, 2013
 
DEMON-WORSHIPPERS ON THIS THREAD:

1) Frijoles

2) Eric

3) MUQ

(smiles)
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Apr 26, 2013
 
EUGENIC PERVERTS - HYPOGAMOUS/INBRED FILTH ON THIS THREAD:

1) Frijoles

2) Eric

3) MUQ

4) Hugh

5) Liam R

6) Susan Blange

7) Rabbee
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Apr 26, 2013
 
PS: Rabbee is another demon-worshipper.
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#51132
Apr 26, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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How many years did you waste in a vain attempt to follow your Master?
I gained a lot in the yogic sense so much that the knowledge and insights into the reality of Moses, Jesus, Rama and Muhammad fade before mine and all this has been possible on account of my ex-master though he tried to block me from rising further and has been the source of much suffering...

Till today the yogic experiences are continuing in a spontaneous way...

As for you, well, you're still stuck (like your parents and relatives) on the evil level of demon-worship and as for intellectual achievements a 12th grader from Cathedral would know more than you and have superior reasoning skills compared to your pathetic logic.

ROFL.
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#51133
Apr 26, 2013
 
Rabbee is a demon incarnate and as expected a satanist.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
I can only wonder at the filthy genes that Rabbee has inherited from his genetically abnormal and satanist parents. What a sub-human type, Rabbee is.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Rabbee is a born liar, a fake scientist and has the reasoning skills of a retard and as for math, physics and chemistry knowledge or skills, well, Rabbee is a big zero and couldn't correctly answer a single fundamental question in chem, physics and math that I'd directed at him some months ago and expectedly he came up with wrong answers to every elementary question posed. LOL.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Rabbee is a rabid satanist. LOL.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
RABBEE'S SCORE SHEET:

(THIS SCORE-SHEET IS REGARDING THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS PUT TO HIM BY ME IN MATH, PHYSICS & CHEMISTRY SOME MONTHS AGO):

1) MATH - 0 (zero)

2) PHYSICS - 0 (zero)

3) CHEMISTRY - 0 (zero)

PS:

1) Rabbee failed to answer a single question and his answers were way off the mark that made me wonder at the kind and quality of education in math, physics and chem that he'd receive in the US.

2) Rabbee's Jewish admirers are also big dunces in math, physics and chem and in a general sense have almost zero logical skills.

CONCLUSION: Birds of a feather, fu-ck together!
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Birds of a feather, fu-ck together!

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The very definition of faith involves belief without proof/evidence:
faith
/f&#257;TH/
Noun
1.Com plete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
To go back to our friend's example:
Is there anymore evidence for any religious foundation than there is for the Easter bunny?
The fact that this is done "consciously" and in an "accepting" way as you say, I have no doubt of. But I also don't think this argues against my point.
Just like you have faith in government, are you ignorant or a masochist?
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#51140
Apr 26, 2013
 
THE UNCONSCIOUS:

Unconscious?

There's nothing like a permanent or temporary switching off or extinction of consciousness.

What the ordinary people call the "unconscious" state simply means a retreat of the surface consciousness into its subliminal or subconscient depths or it could also mean that the waking consciousness has come out of the body during an OBE.

Like energy, consciousness can neither be created nor destroyed.

Consciousness and Energy form a unified field that manifests as a gradation.
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#51141
Apr 26, 2013
 
Ruakh, the life-force, is not the soul. If it is the soul then how does one explain the fact that mind exceeds the vital principle of which the life-force with its pentuple currents is an aspect? LOL.
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WHAT IS THE SOUL?

1) The soul is the psychic consciousness which is a supporting and organizing grade of consciousness with its concomitant energy that stands behind the mental, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient layers of consciousness.

2) The psychic is usually smothered in most human beings since perverse mental, vital and physical instincts tend to choke it.

3) Only under certain conditions of balance among the psychological, vital and physical elements and with sustained aspiration and intense concentration on its root vibration does the psychic effulge and come to the forefront.

4) The psychic is a delegation of the cosmic self which in turn is a projection of the supracosmic self and this in turn is a direct line of consciousness put forth by the unified field of consciousness-energy when it manifests.

CONCLUSION: The satan-worshipping, incestuously born and mass-murdering Hebrew patriarchs, our deluded and wolf-in-sheep's clothing, Jesus, and the satanist, inbred and mass-murdering Muhammad had no knowledge of the psychic and its higher gradations. Expected!

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