Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Eric

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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When? since 2000 or many hundreds of years ago?
Doesn't matter. You didn't put a time limit on your statement.
HughBe

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Have you seen this that predates your article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marri...
Did you notice that neither article gives a citation to the source of the quotation.
Once again, The title of the article is Miscegenation (interracial marriages).

My focus was interracial marriages and that is what the article is about.

I simply went to Israel and Brazil the countries on interest.
Eric

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1.if you hold the opinion that something is TREASON to the United States of America will YOU engage in it?
2. Tell me about the RELIGION called ARAB.
Tell me about the race ARAB. Both are Semites.
HughBe

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Hugh, Jews and Arabs are of the same race; Semites.
It's a religious thing. It's a political thing. You can't tell me that you don't understand that after 60 years of outright war that there would be hostility to interfaith marriage with the enemy; i.e., treason.
You are a real slime. Many calling themselves Jews don't look like Arabs. Moreover when YOU and your kind speak you hijack the word anti-Semitic to mean JEWS only and YOU do so as if Arabs are not also Semitic peoples.

I find your current position useful.

Finally, are YOU telling me that I cannot go to an Israeli newspaper that speak of the HATRED between Jews in RACIAL terms?
HughBe

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Hatred between Jews and Arabs, in RACIAL terms?
HughBe

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Doesn't matter. You didn't put a time limit on your statement.
It matters Einstein, the DUMB knows that I was speaking about a CURRENT situation. The data was CURRENT and not HUNDREDS of years ago.
Eric

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You are a real slime. Many calling themselves Jews don't look like Arabs. Moreover when YOU and your kind speak you hijack the word anti-Semitic to mean JEWS only and YOU do so as if Arabs are not also Semitic peoples.
I find your current position useful.
Finally, are YOU telling me that I cannot go to an Israeli newspaper that speak of the HATRED between Jews in RACIAL terms?
Nope, it's political and religious.

What race do you think the Arabs are?
Eric

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It matters Einstein, the DUMB knows that I was speaking about a CURRENT situation. The data was CURRENT and not HUNDREDS of years ago.
Nope, you made no such assertion. The Jews of Israel are of mixed races. Research has shown it.

Maybe next time you should watch what you say and give it some more thought. I was responding to your exact statement, assuming nothing.
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Nope, you made no such assertion. The Jews of Israel are of mixed races. Research has shown it.
Maybe next time you should watch what you say and give it some more thought. I was responding to your exact statement, assuming nothing.
Wake-up, the context was NOT 100 years ago. I spoke of what obtains now, even if that FACT and the context went over your head.

Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil......if you would have read the research like I asked you too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false

Hugh--- I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.

However that does NOT change my point, I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel. In fact, only a FOOL or an EVIL person would seek to compare the two countries in that regard

Eric--- You popped in to the middle of the conversation with you POPPYCOCK and non-sequitors.

HughBe--- Your POPPYCOCK sounds too close to PUPPYCOCK and so on that bases alone I know that it is applicable to YOU.

You could have applied BULLdog COCK to me and then I would have been able to praise you for your growth in sense.

The non sequiturs comment is forgiven.
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Nope, it's political and religious.
What race do you think the Arabs are?
I have READ and quoted Israeli newspapers that put it in terms of RACISM. One example, not RENTING to ARAB students.

I have cited those articles in the past and YOU know it. You are just trying to be "clever" but it reflects POORLY on you.
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Wake-up, the context was NOT 100 years ago. I spoke of what obtains now, even if that FACT and the context went over your head.
No you didn't. You said "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." And, the research shows you are wrong. Almost every Jew, including those in Israel, are of mixed race accomplished through intermarriage.
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Nope, it's political and religious.
What race do you think the Arabs are?
Eric---Nope, it's political and religious.

HughBe--- Do you regard a comment about " RACIST outbursts" as being political/religious?

If you read such a comment, give me a few of such RACIST OUTBURST by your masters/rabbis.

Would prohibiting Jews from dating ARABS fall into the category of RACISM?

Would telling their blind disciples NOT to RENT property to Arabs, racism ?

"It is said of our Torah “Its ways are pleasant and all paths lead to peace.” The time has come to privatize the official Rabbinate in Israel – a bureaucracy that employs thousands. Those rabbis who wish to express their political views must be fired or resign. They must not be allowed to stray from the Torah’s “pleasant ways” even as their salaries are covered by Israeli tax payers. Those that incite to violence must be called to justice by the police and answer to the judiciary.

The RACIST outbursts caused me to feel shame. This rabbinic ruling, and the subsequent “Rebbizen Letter” are ethically abhorrent and a perversion of Jewish law"

Do you see the word RACIST in the words below?

http://blogs.jpost.com/content/fire-racist-ra...
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No you didn't. You said "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." And, the research shows you are wrong. Almost every Jew, including those in Israel, are of mixed race accomplished through intermarriage.
was the research done 100 years ago?

Is the research current?
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No you didn't. You said "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." And, the research shows you are wrong. Almost every Jew, including those in Israel, are of mixed race accomplished through intermarriage.
The following are YOUR words, Eric. Tell me one thing, was the lady speaking about 100 years ago or recent and current times in Brazil?

YOUR words, Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil.
Eric

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I have READ and quoted Israeli newspapers that put it in terms of RACISM. One example, not RENTING to ARAB students.
I have cited those articles in the past and YOU know it. You are just trying to be "clever" but it reflects POORLY on you.
Hugh, stop dodging the question.

First, what race are Arabs?

Second, it has nothing to do with whether Israeli Jews are of mixed race. Research says they are. Even if we ASSUME for the sake of argument that Israeli hate of Arabs is racial, it does not negate the fact or the possibility that Jews are not racially opposed to marrying other races that are not Arab. Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.
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The following are YOUR words, Eric. Tell me one thing, was the lady speaking about 100 years ago or recent and current times in Brazil?
YOUR words, Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil.
Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.

The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
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Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?
Second, it has nothing to do with whether Israeli Jews are of mixed race. Research says they are. Even if we ASSUME for the sake of argument that Israeli hate of Arabs is racial, it does not negate the fact or the possibility that Jews are not racially opposed to marrying other races that are not Arab. Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.
Eric---Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?

HughBe--- Are you a total ass? YOU used Arabs in a context of RELIGION and so I asked YOU to tell me about the RELIGION called Arab.
Why are you having such a challenge understanding the language.

In addition I previously wrote, "Moreover when YOU and your kind speak you hijack the word anti-Semitic to mean JEWS only and YOU do so as if Arabs are not also Semitic peoples."

Think about my words.

Eric---Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.

HughBe--- Some will say that they are CONVERTS and not true Jews. I speak more of the Ashkenazi Jews.

Moreover, in a context of SEGREGATION(Israel) there cannot be any widespread integration via marriage.

You need to take your time to digest the material as it is a lot and more than you are able to handle quickly.
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Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.
The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
As I have so many times, my focus was not on the DISCRIMINATION issue that you spoke of in your post to me. My focus was on the fact that there is far GREATER mixing and intermarriage in Brazil than in Israel.

Can a Jew get married in Israel without the consent of his or her FATHER meaning RABBI?
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Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.
The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
Originally YOU Eric said "Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and DISCRIMINATORY violence in Brazil."

Now YOU speak in terms of "One was RACIAL violence"

So dear Eric YOU have equated the DISCRIMINATION to RACISM.

Eric--- "DISCRIMINATORY violence"= "RACIAL violence"

Thanks, Eric.
Eric

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Eric---Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?.
still dodging the question hugh

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