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#50854 Apr 17, 2013
eminders of Racism in Modern Brazil
March 23, 2013Colin M. SniderLeave a commentGo to comments

When I was in Brazil, Iíd occasionally encounter people who repeated the Freyrean idea that Brazil isnít racist in the ways the US was due to the greater variation in skin-color in Brazil and the absence of Jim Crow-style laws.

Of course, this is a red herring that presumes racism only takes one form, and throughout the twentieth century, something against which people like Abdias do Nascimento actively fought.

And of course, then, this week provided three ugly and disgusting reminders of how far the myth of a racial democracy is from the reality of modern forms of racism in Brazil.....

http://americasouthandnorth.wordpress.com/201...

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#50855 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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In any case it's in the Stamford advocate
whats in the advocate?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50856 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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So, institutional racism does not count in your book. It's ok if all of the Black former slaves are discriminated against.
rabbee: well i am sure, that G-D had the usual really good reason. for commanding, the elslavement of any peoples. and it is most definatly, not because of their alleged race.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50857 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Do you think it's ok that the fourth amendment be violated as long as they violate everyone's privacy?
you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.

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#50858 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Do you think it's ok that the fourth amendment be violated as long as they violate everyone's privacy?
I missed the linkage, but whats new on that front.
Voluntarist

United States

#50859 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.
Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
Voluntarist

United States

#50860 Apr 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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whats in the advocate?
Proof that the government is using the bombing to clamp down on civil liberties.
Voluntarist

United States

#50861 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.
Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50862 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
and your point is? The constitution not only contains the 4th amendment but also the 3d article. We are a nation of laws. Someone has to decide in times of dispute what is reasonable. That decision was made by those who are charged with that chore under the 3d article.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50863 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?

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#50864 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Proof that the government is using the bombing to clamp down on civil liberties.
You would have to show me the article.

But dont bother - because all it will do is move the conversation over to what is considered a reasonable action vs a clamping down of civil liberties - and I doubt you and I will ever agree on that.

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#50865 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
no wonder why my taxes are so high.

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#50866 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
Dotn forget the fema camps. We are building one just for you.
Voluntarist

United States

#50868 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
No that would be an exception to the warrant requirement, but once the alleged perpetrator is detained the arresting officer has a duty to present the accused before proper authority.

For authority to hold.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50869 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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No that would be an exception to the warrant requirement, but once the alleged perpetrator is detained the arresting officer has a duty to present the accused before proper authority.
For authority to hold.
So, it's the grand jury or the probable cause hearing. Nothing new here.
Voluntarist

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#50870 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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So, it's the grand jury or the probable cause hearing. Nothing new here.
A probable cause determination by a neutral magistrate.

An arrest without a warrant is presumably unlawful unless there is that determination by a magistrate.

So does an officer have authority to make a warrantless arrest, yes but it is not presumed lawful.

The same should hold for a warrantless search but politicians in dresses claim that this RIGHT can be abridged as long everyone is searched.
So how is that any different in principle than institutionalized discrimination?
Voluntarist

United States

#50871 Apr 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is talking about Communism, and his gift to our country on that issue was the initiation into involvement into Vietnam.
I dont get any link with that with anything going on now. Noone except Volunteerist is claiming additional government control due to the recent bombing.
That is a false statement, I am not the only one.

Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...

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#50872 Apr 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That is a false statement, I am not the only one.
Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...
Like I just said, what some might see as logical and legally sound responses, others might see as infringements to civil liberties. Nothing new there.

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#50873 Apr 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That is a false statement, I am not the only one.
Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...
I see nothing alarmist in that article, nothing that hasnt been done before, nothing that is an expansion past reasonable

Obviously you disagree. Which tells me that your beef is not with the response, which is logical, but with legality of the paradigm which has been in place BEFORE the bombing.

So stop citing the bombing, its a red herring to your argument.

As for your real argument, I dont buy into it, obviously.

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" Security at rail stations and on board Metro-North commuter trains was visibly heightened Tuesday, as bomb-sniffing dogs, along with local, federal and transit authorities, patrolled platforms and rode rail cars.

Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan, an MTA spokesman said.

"The increased coverage will continue until we fully understand the cause of the explosions in Boston..."

"......"The MTA police often do random bag inspections and platform sweeps but today more so," Anders said. "It is obviously an exercise, a show of force intended to both reassure customers and intimidate bad guys."

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#50874 Apr 18, 2013
Correction

I see nothing alarmist in that article, nothing that hasnt been done before, nothing that is an unreasonable expansion...

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