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JOEL

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Mar 20, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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We know, you are not in favor of discussion, dissension, or even inquiry. ANd you wonder why no one follows you?
And are you open-minded and unbiased? LOL.

Who follows you except the foolish, braindead and fanatical observant Jews on this thread.

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Not "spreading Islam" but telling people about Islam.
Yes also by war if some power is "Stopping preaching of Islam" using force or planning mischief against Islamic state.
But those glorious days are past, now muslims are either defending their countries from aggression or fighting between themselves.
I am talking from Islamic point of view about Jihad.
It was Muslims duty to be "policemen" in the world enforcing Justice, Equity and seeing no one oppresses any one.
Those so called glorious days were the days when Muslims attacked other nations with the only purpose to convert other people, though no one attacked them.

Each man killed in the name of Islam, or any other religion, reveal us how powerless is the god you believe in.

Seeing no one oppresses anyone? That is what Muslims have been doing, oppressing much people as they can 'till these days.

You have the right to preach your idiotic cult but don't pretend the world has to convert to your barbaric, primitive and ridiculous religion.

Since you miss the "glorious days" then you are worth to be called a Muslim animal along with bmz and Alex.

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JOEL wrote:
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And are you open-minded and unbiased? LOL.
Who follows you except the foolish, braindead and fanatical observant Jews on this thread.
The difference between you and I is that I neither assume anyone follows me NOR do I care.
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The difference between you and I is that I neither assume anyone follows me NOR do I care.
Good to know that.

Only be more unbiased and less fanatical.

Then you'll truly be a good human being and a great Papa to me.

Thank you.

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Good to know that.
Only be more unbiased and less fanatical.
Then you'll truly be a good human being and a great Papa to me.
Thank you.
Learn how to act like a mensch and you will be a good son.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
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Learn how to act like a mensch and you will be a good son.
I am trying progress from good to better to best, Papa.

I sincerely hope that I can be an ideal son to you who I consider an adorable father figure in the absence of my biological parents.

Thank you.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
Evolutionary processes in the terrestrial nature are always at work when the pressure from the subtler planes, in terms of a dynamic descent of consciousness, bears down on the corresponding involution of the graduations of consciousness in matter. This process gives rise to the progressive emergences in the earth matter of various grades of consciousness that accordingly mould the terrestrial energy in keeping with their innate causal mechanisms thereby giving rise to new species or to new faculties in existing species. These evolutionary mechanisms also regulate the natural phenomena.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
DEFINE:

1) God

2) Prophet

3) Reality

4) Creation from nothing

(smiles)
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Mar 21, 2013
 
"To be a member of the Communist Party is to have a taste of the police state. "

- ELIA KAZAN

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JOEL

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Mar 21, 2013
 
JOEL - To live under Sharia is worse.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
"While Hollywood never seems to tire of movies that vilify the Nazis and, more recently, the Arabs and the Muslims, it is yet to produce anything [negative] about the (Jews and the) Soviet bloc that begins to compare to the French movie, Est-Ouest (East-West), or the German movie, Das Leben der Anderen (The Lives of Others)."

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Mar 21, 2013
 
JOEL wrote:
JOEL - To live under Sharia is worse.
No country practises sharia law correctly, unfortunately we live in a period of capitalist detriment

Peace
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JOEL wrote:
"While Hollywood never seems to tire of movies that vilify the Nazis and, more recently, the Arabs and the Muslims, it is yet to produce anything [negative] about the (Jews and the) Soviet bloc that begins to compare to the French movie, Est-Ouest (East-West), or the German movie, Das Leben der Anderen (The Lives of Others)."

- Dave Martin
I come across things regularly that vilify Jewish people, it is something quite cowardly and repulsive to be so pre-judgemental

Unfortunately we are evolving towards an almost tribalistic movement, where each individual is pigeon holed and treated according to their acclaimed stereotype...... Very dangerous indeed..
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No country practises sharia law correctly, unfortunately we live in a period of capitalist detriment.
What is the correct application of Sharia law?

Why is capitalism a bad practice?

Do you prefer barter as it was practiced in the dark ages of the prophets?
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ana wrote:
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I come across things regularly that vilify Jewish people, it is something quite cowardly and repulsive to be so pre-judgemental
Unfortunately we are evolving towards an almost tribalistic movement, where each individual is pigeon holed and treated according to their acclaimed stereotype...... Very dangerous indeed..
Yes, every community should be treated fairly and if you happen to vilify one then do so with the rest otherwise refrain from showing any particular community in a bad light on screen.

In an intellectual debate, however, the pros and cons of each faith or scripture or prophet or community can be analyzed in depth as a way of getting at the truth in an impartial manner.
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JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>What is the correct application of Sharia law?

Why is capitalism a bad practice?

Do you prefer barter as it was practiced in the dark ages of the prophets?
The correct application of sharia law is way too extensive to discuss here

But I can assure you that sharia law as it is represented today is a far cry of how it should be implemented

For example in Iran they supposedly follow a form of Islamic law, I am not sure it they define it totally as sharia law, but their conduct and records of abuses of human rights is deplorable and does not represent the purity of Islam and the true sharia

Capitalism

Be it bad or positive, capitalism aims to capitalise, using such a notion to encourage economic growth surpassing social welfare will only ever be short lived. See it like this

If you are given only fifty pounds to spend on food for a whole month, but u go and blow all that money in the first week eating what ever you want, then for the remaining three weeks you will have nothing...
Opposed to reserving and spending proportionally

Unfortunate society has been encouraged to become consumer orientated, loans and credit cards have given many a false sense of reality when it comes to spending

So for the me capital ideology represents greed, which sidelines socialist principles

Pure socialist principles wouldn't work either, communism looks great on paper but in practice it is repressive

There needs to be a total balance

It's not just the system that needs changing it is the attitudes of people which need to be radically reformed, how we achieve this I have no idea!!
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JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, every community should be treated fairly and if you happen to vilify one then do so with the rest otherwise refrain from showing any particular community in a bad light on screen.

In an intellectual debate, however, the pros and cons of each faith or scripture or prophet or community can be analyzed in depth as a way of getting at the truth in an impartial manner.
Yes I agree the western media has been biased often representing Islam, Muslims, Arabs as terrorists in movies

I remember in the film back to the future the Libyan terrorists... So even back then the USA had a gripe with Qaddafi and this was represented in that particular movie. There are also many other examples.

I was however pointing out that I have come across people / media vilifying Jews and stereotyping them, which is also just as immoral.

Unfortunately I have observed that films / TV and the news have had a somewhat detrimental affect on a persons ability to judge a community on face value, rather than a stereotype.

Call it a form of brainwashing if you wish, there was a rather disturbing documentary I watched on YouTube which recounted nazi Germany and the propaganda campaigns used to vilify and justify the awful acts towards the Jews and Roma people ....

It's just scary that people can be so easily manipulated still to this day

Same goes for Muslims who radicalise themselves and feel it is quite acceptable to launch a hateful campaign against innocent people....I'm sorry but that is not the true Islam

So you see generalisation can be a very dangerous habit we should actively encourage others not to participate as such
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ana wrote:
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The correct application of sharia law is way too extensive to discuss here.
Give a few highlights of pure Sharia as you put it - as for instance:

1) Can something as absurd as creation from nothing as preached by the Quran be taught in schools and universities?

2) What is the position of religious minorities, atheists and people with same sex orinetation in an Islamic nation run on Sharia principles?

3) Is it necessary to institute death penalty for those who question the veracity of the teachings of Quran and who point out the multiple errors in the teachings of that book?

4) In what way can Quran guide say a geneticist, an electrical engineer, a space scientist or computer architect?

5) Does it make sense to run a nation on benighted religious teachings that have neither a rational basis nor any proof in support of any of the mumbo jumbo teachings with the evidence coming in from science debuking the ignorant teachings of faith?
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ana wrote:
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Capitalism

Be it bad or positive, capitalism aims to capitalise, using such a notion to encourage economic growth surpassing social welfare will only ever be short lived. See it like this
If you are given only fifty pounds to spend on food for a whole month, but u go and blow all that money in the first week eating what ever you want, then for the remaining three weeks you will have nothing...
Opposed to reserving and spending proportionally
Unfortunate society has been encouraged to become consumer orientated, loans and credit cards have given many a false sense of reality when it comes to spending
So for the me capital ideology represents greed, which sidelines socialist principles
Pure socialist principles wouldn't work either, communism looks great on paper but in practice it is repressive
There needs to be a total balance
It's not just the system that needs changing it is the attitudes of people which need to be radically reformed, how we achieve this I have no idea!!
Capitalism is good for enterprise, entrepreneurship and for creation of wealth according to one's innate capacity for money-making. In this sense, it is merit-based and makes one a hardworking and a responsible citizen and does not seek to create a society of lazy bums and socio-economic parasites living on state handouts.

Greed and exploitation should obviously have no place in capitalism, socialism or barter.

Consumerism is in keeping with the great material advances made by technology or should people stick to spartan living like say subsisting on dates and riding a camel instead of dining on pate d'foie gras and driving in a Rolls?
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JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>Give a few highlights of pure Sharia as you put it - as for instance:

1) Can something as absurd as creation from nothing as preached by the Quran be taught in schools and universities?

2) What is the position of religious minorities, atheists and people with same sex orinetation in an Islamic nation run on Sharia principles?

3) Is it necessary to institute death penalty for those who question the veracity of the teachings of Quran and who point out the multiple errors in the teachings of that book?

4) In what way can Quran guide say a geneticist, an electrical engineer, a space scientist or computer architect?

5) Does it make sense to run a nation on benighted religious teachings that have neither a rational basis nor any proof in support of any of the mumbo jumbo teachings with the evidence coming in from science debuking the ignorant teachings of faith?
Sorry I am not going to discuss all of that here as I really don't have time to go into such detail Joel, maybe another time , these could all be titles for dissertations therefore cannot be summarised on here in a few paragraphs

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