Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50006 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Jews tend not to hung up on prophesying - thats a Christian trait
It seems to me that the article conflicted with your ideology, therefore you are making excuses
Jews don't "select" Israel, its our origin - the same way your origin is in India. I dont know why you cant grasp that - the author sure did.
There is no restriction on your "views".

Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.

If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.

What type of logic is this?

And why only Jews?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50009 Mar 9, 2013
Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.

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#50011 Mar 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There is no restriction on your "views".
Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.
If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.
What type of logic is this?
And why only Jews?
Straw argument - I never said only Jews.

And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

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#50012 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.
Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.

There is room in the region for all groups, as long as they play well with each other. The problem is, is that more often than not, they don't. Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.

MUQ claims he is not part of the political Islam movement - he doesnt believe in religious mandated geography - but if you look at his argument for more than a moment it is obvious he does buy into it.

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#50013 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
None of the prophets HAS come....
except Joel
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50014 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.
The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.

So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50015 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.
True. This is because both the Jews and the Muslims have parochial mindsets given their sectarian or cultish beliefs and besides Israel and the Islamic nations in the region are theocracies and this makes friction between the two camps inevitable.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50016 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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except Joel
I know much more about the reality than most of the prophets like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Rama, Muhammad and the like.

Only the deeper experiences of the reality remain to be undertaken in my case.

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#50017 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.
So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.
yeah but those older cultures are extinct, but us Hebrews are not.

This is not of your concern anyway, you are not one of us.

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#50018 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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As for you, you are European by ancestry with your ancestors having converted from paganism or whatever to Judaism a few centuries ago.
You are making assumptions about my ancestry. And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.
Fuggus

Pittsburgh, PA

#50019 Mar 10, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …… Eye Dreaming
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50020 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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yeah but those older cultures are extinct, but us Hebrews are not.
The Jewish cult is tottering and is on its last legs.

Anyway which sane and civilized person would want a cult based on demon worship, whose contribution to the march of civilization is zero, in existence except evil people?

Right?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50021 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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This is not of your concern anyway, you are not one of us.
Not anymore and in the past too it was more token than anything else. As soon as I discovered its demonic roots, I threw away the vestiges of tokenism as well.

I am not part of any cult or faith as I leave such perverse affiliations to retards and to those with a tribal mindset.

I am too intelligent and have too many inner experiences that far exceed the narrow and perverse scope of evil scriptures like Tanakh or NT to be part of any tribal cult or formal religion.

I consider myself a secular cosmic citizen and lay full emphasis on being and becoming leading to self-realization.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50022 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are not one of us.
You're not a native Hebrew in the Biblical sense.

As I said earlier, you are of European stock whose forefathers converted some centuries ago from paganism or whatever to demonism (Judaism).
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50023 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.
Grow up.

You hardly have any intelligence to comment on any subject of substance.

Make the best use of the little intelligence that you have.

This post ends the exchange on this topic.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50024 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Straw argument - I never said only Jews.
And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
Living does not mean "controlling land"....some people of every faith are living in every country, that does not mean people start dividing lands for them.

The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them.

It was a bad site selection and the world would continue to face the repercussion for it for all times.

Most act of terrorism in the world are related one way or other to that poor site selection.

The cost itself has gone into multi trillions of Dollars and how much more it would consume before world powers realize that they were taken for a sucker, only time will tell.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50025 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTIONS:

1) Why is burial a better method of disposing off a corpse than cremation? Give the details.

2) Do you think evolutionary forces will throw up the new species through man by an act of emergence of the involved ranges of consciousness and energy?



3) Why is a death an inevitability on the plane of matter till now?

4) Is it possible to time travel? How?

5) What do you mean by existence and non-existence?

6) Is reincarnation possible given the cyclical nature of everything that we see around us?

7) Is there anything like nothing? If so, define nothing.

8) Is color therapy effective and does it have a scientific basis?

9) What is ego? Can it be erased?

10) Is time a continuum? What is time?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50026 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTION:

Let us explore in a logical manner the events that follow death:

What could happen in the disembodied state to the consciousness and energy of the dead person?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50027 Mar 10, 2013
QUESTIONS:

What are the basal constituents of the universe in all its dimensions?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50028 Mar 10, 2013
AN EXTRACT FROM DR STEPHEN HAWKING'S BOOK "A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME", PAGES 176-177:

“With the advent of quantum mechanics, we have come to recognize that events cannot be predicted with complete accuracy but that there is always a degree of uncertainty. In modern times, we have redefined the aim of science which is to formulate a set of laws that enables us to predict events only up to the limit set by the uncertainty principle.

On many occasions we have increased the sensitivity of our measurements or made a new class observations, only to discover new phenomena that were not predicted by the existing theory, and to account for these we have had to develop a more advanced theory. It would therefore not be very surprising if the present generation of grand unified theories was wrong in claiming that nothing essentially new will happen between the electroweak unification energy of about 100GeV and the grand unification energy of about a thousand million million GeV. We might indeed expect to find several new layers of structure more basic than the quarks and electrons that we now regard as elementary.

However, it seems that gravity may provide a limit to this sequence of “boxes within boxes”. If one had a particle with an energy above what is called the Planck energy, ten million million million GeV, its mass would be so concentrated that it would cut itself off from the rest of the universe and form a little black hole. Thus it does seem that the sequence of more and more refined theories should have some limit as we go to higher and higher energies, so that there should be some ultimate theory of the universe.”

QUESTIONS:

1) Are there gradations of energy or are there gradations of only consciousness?

2) If consciousness and energy form a unified field as they necessarily should so as to cogently explain the cycles of manifestation-dissolution, sentience, order, purpose, matter and stability then how does one explain the finer states of existence in terms of the subtler dimensions of consciousness-energy after perusing Dr Stephen Hawking's views as posted above?

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